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Poster: safpsy Date: Oct 24, 2015 9:44am
Forum: oldtimeradio Subject: Re: New format/layout

One of the really basic things you could do to make the site more user friendly is make all the icons for the shows a uniform size. Now if I have three icons the same size and two larger the whole next row gets shifted so it is no longer easy to follow the alphabetized listing. It might look cool, but it really screws up trying to find something.

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Poster: Jeff Kaplan Date: Oct 27, 2015 11:17am
Forum: oldtimeradio Subject: Re: New format/layout

not sure what you mean by "make all the icons for the shows a uniform size." if you're referring to how search results are displayed you can switch to "listview" to just have results in text form.

FAQ at https://archive.org/about/faqs.php#1238 might help.

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Poster: R Pal Date: Oct 27, 2015 12:56pm
Forum: oldtimeradio Subject: Re: New format/layout

Sadly this is not being done for us and there is no champion of OTR. Any regular OTR user would understand the uniform icon size request. But the few admin replies over the changes here are often disconnected with the actual site problems.
For instance there is still an argument in another section about if thumbnails show when and where you want to see them. The admins are not responsible for these changes and do not spend all day using the Archive either. Unless its GD land of course.

But I see the statistics shown at https://archive.org/about/stats.php indicate lost new users and fewer postings. This is not surprising as the site is not actually a forum site. What it is cannot be determined until the promised bigger changes occur next year.

Again I ask; Is there another forum for OTR folks? This one seems to be headed for a dip in New Coke.

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Poster: Jeff Kaplan Date: Oct 27, 2015 1:33pm
Forum: oldtimeradio Subject: Re: New format/layout

i offer to help and this is your response?

fwiw, sitewide usage is up substantially since the new site was launched and generally increases every month.

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Poster: R Pal Date: Oct 28, 2015 1:41am
Forum: oldtimeradio Subject: Re: New format/layout

Please make the link to those statistics which show the Archive is being used by more OTR folks available here.

And I have tried to make it clear that no one blames the admins such as yourself for what is an unpleasant, un-requested change to a site that was functioning in a manor many users found easy to use and intuitive. But there are many examples of admin answers not actually clearing up the users questions about the new horror.
The different size icons is a good example. Just go to the OTR main page and you will see many different size descriptive icons floating up as you scroll down. To many of us the jumbled grouping is not useful and the list view you suggest has its own problems, such as font and color. The original real Internet Archive made things easily visible and well sized.

I will not rehash the others and just further annoy you. You have been patient and helpful for a long time and this may be getting to you.

Is there somewhere on this site that the features not yet rolled out can be examined? Do they include a forum section our any other community area?

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Poster: Jeff Kaplan Date: Oct 28, 2015 10:20am
Forum: oldtimeradio Subject: Re: New format/layout


i've attached an image of the oldtimeradio collection page. still not sure what you mean by "different size icons". please help me understand.

i'm not trying to be argumentative but i did say "sitewide" not OTR specifically.

you can go to https://indexer.archive.org/services/views/oldtimeradio and see that since the beta rollout in january that usage has generally been slightly increased compared to the prior 10 months. what has fallen is "items added".

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Poster: R Pal Date: Oct 28, 2015 2:17pm
Forum: oldtimeradio Subject: Re: New format/layout - Old Time Radio

Your attachment seems to be in the New Format list view for the radio section.? You have no idea how difficult the faded New Format is to see when a person has eye trouble. Try using it while squinting and from a few yards back, sonny. Where did the text go? Can't make out the title. That format is unworkable to many. The section is called "OLD" Time Radio.

Attached is a screen shot that may explain the line up problem. I tried to outline the blocks with blue. The small text floating pop ups, endless scroll and the other gee-gaws do not help when you cant make out which little black squigly thing is which. Black text on light blue background, limited descriptions, regular lined up icons and control over the scroll would be my preference. And maybe have the collections show at the top in similar sized icons and the single shows listed in more regular sized blocks. I am certain others have different requests. I will be glad when the person in charge makes user customizable screens available.

I will not detail the other problems such as loss of Forum, odd collection listings, those wiggly things and the general disorganized presentation of this thing right now.

Thanks for trying though.

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Poster: Jeff Kaplan Date: Oct 28, 2015 3:01pm
Forum: oldtimeradio Subject: Re: New format/layout - Old Time Radio

i'm neither going to defend nor criticize the changes, just help people use it the way it is.

the tile view is that way by design which is why i prefer list view. so, that "problem" is solved in that way.

Personally i do not see list view as any less readable than the old site. the descriptions are in black on white, links in blue but are a larger font. yes, there is some text in gray such as views and topics but not so light as to be much less viewable than black text.

and the forums are there obviously because you are using them.

so i suspect that like many others your criticism is more about change than usability. and i understand that. you knew the old site well and the new one has a learning curve for users of the old site. like i said, i'm neither going to defend nor criticize it. i will say that it is equally usable and does have some search options that were not available in the old version.

and, i am here to assist.

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Poster: AncientAxim Date: Oct 26, 2015 11:31pm
Forum: oldtimeradio Subject: Re: New format/layout

Quote" make all the icons for the shows a uniform size" Exactly! the new format is just bizarre. It looks like those stupid "Trending" word buzz things that float around on other websites that show what people are searching for. It's annoying, I really do NOT care what "other people" are "liking" or searching for, or clicking on. This is supposed to be an ARCHIVE site- not a "See What's Trending!" or, what it looks like to me, a huge investment by one of those um... large "NGO"s that give big bucks to non-profits, in exchange for "tweaking a few things". I noticed like I said before- that we've gotten a LOT of pakistani spam, junk crap and lots and lots of "trans" forums (why?? They make up less than one quarter of 2 percent of the population?? Why should they get their own forum and area?)

bizarre. And I know very well where "archive.org" is going, now that they got their pay off.