minutes" presents barack obama, eight years in the white house. steve kroft joins us to talk about this interview. >> i think he's ready to go. i think he's probably not happy about leaving under these circumstances, but he's done a very good job of -- publicly of sort of keeping those feelings to himself. but i think he's had enough. he talked at some length about the fact that you just need to recharge, you know, if you have been doing something for such a long time, it's hard -- it becomes hard to maintain the same level of emergency and intensity and you had when you came in the job and thinks it's time for fresh legs. >> rose: gerald seib and steve kroft when we continue. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: we begin with politics, the inauguration is a week away and the intelligence community under fire. president-elect donald trump blasted its han

who made it to the white house including barack obama ended up extending their reach. so the president, president obama, nominated you. became more attracted to trade than he was as a young politician in the state legislature and in the senate? >> well, i think he had a pretty consistent perfective on-- perspective on this. which is that the porntion of being engaged in the world, of u.s. leadership and the fact that we need to be in these markets if we're going to support jobs become here. but he was also informed by his experience in chicago as an organizer and seeing the effects of steel mills close down. so his view was, not for trade for trade's sake. but if we can do trade right, by raising labor and environmental standards in other countries, by lefting the playing field, that's the kind of deal we should-- that's the kind of deal we should do. so as a candidate he called for the renegotiation of nafta and was very specific about what he mentd. let's make sure mexico has binding and enforceable labor and environmental commitments. that is what we did in tpp. mexico and

iraq invasion, pulling troops out. some things we didn't do. barack obama in syria, the red line. not following up on the invasion of libya. days, thet couple of decision not to go ahead with the transpacific trade partnership. all these countries in asia and latin america lined up with us and all of a sudden we are yanking it away. these countries feel left in the lurch. it is the combination of history, things the united states has done, things that the united states has failed to do. is it a vacuum of leadership that china, most interestingly, is prepared to move into? richard: not so much. they are limited by their own politics. charlie: this year, president xi jinping saying they believe in globalization. richard: up to a point. the chinese have a constraint political system. they want to keep power. they don't want thinks -- they don't want things to loosen up too much. i think it is a world of increasing when i would call disarray or disorder. countries like china might have a large role in asia. countries like iran, turkey, israel, my had a role in the middle east. of local po

frankly so bizarre, so strange, and when you see the ,omparison with barack obama barack obama obama was so different, so wise. he showed such a coolness in the way of transmitting the flame of the state. would like to have seen barack obama and the u.s. government do more in areas, human rights? you would like to have seen american leadership exercise more. bernard-henri: i would like to see it exercising itself in syria, preventing the carnage in aleppo. charlie: that was the same barack obama who you had been praising -- bernard-henri: yes. charlie: i pointed that out because of what you have written about the horror of aleppo. bernard-henri: i praise him for his decency. politics is not perfect. i would not praise him for the about the in the u.n. palestinian state. this was not a good resolution. it was bad timing to do that. story betweena democrats and republicans. it is not an affair of being right or left. it is an affair of being fit for office or not. hope,, the whole world trump,ing and hoping for revising his attitude. charlie: you have populism in france with marine le pen.

. what would you want to say? you've been by the side of barack obama since he was in the senate. scene two campaigns. seen twoen -- you have campaigns. you have seen the white house from the oval office. you have traveled with them as he met foreign leaders and in some sense, you controlled who had access to him. so what does denis mcdonough say in his farewell? denis: i will tell you what i would say. first, i don't know who it -- who would come. it would be like an empty hall. but i would say thank you. it's an unbelievable opportunity to watch the president do what he's doing. the second thing is i would say as amazing as the president's story is, that is what has always made america great. i'm as unlikely a chief of staff as he is unlikely a president. i've got 10 brothers and sisters, grew up in minnesota , and now here i am. i didn't even know these jobs existed. but that's because in this country, if you take a shot, you will get it. charlie: what are you going to tell your grandchildren? there have been moments that you say to yourself, i will never forget that. denis: g

obama, barack obama obama was so different, so wise. he showed such a coolness in the way of transmitting the flame of the state. charlie: as you say that, you would like to have seen barack obama and the u.s. government do more in areas where you have enormous concern human rights? ,he would like to see american leadership exercise more. bernard: i would like to see it exercising itself in syria, preventing the carnage in aleppo. wasaleppo the real carnage a there. charlie: how was the same barack obama who you have been praising, the horror of aleppo. bernard-henri: i praise him for his decency. politics is not perfect. i would not praise him for the resolution in the u.n. about the palestinian state. this was not a good resolution. it was a good place to do that. it is bad wording. it is not a question of defending. we are not in a story between democrats and republicans. it is not an affair of being right or left. it is an affair of being fit for office or not. but he was fit. -- obama, he made mistakes, but he was fit. trump, i hope he is fit. the whole world is waiting

question is whether we are going to do it. under barack obama, quite often we did not. the real question is whether under donald trump we will be willing to have the visible hand of the united states. charlie: who has the strategic charlie: who has the strategic mind to create a new world order? richard: i think there are ideas out there. i did my best to put one out in this book, basically a new operating system for the world. we have had an operating system in the world, a set of rules, for nearly four centuries, which was very basic. you don't use military force to change borders and you allow governments tremendous space to do what they want in their country. i call that world order 1.0. when i argue is that during the era of globalization, that is necessary but not sufficient. charlie: we now have all kinds of means to transmit, transform. richard: the conveyor belt of globalization. something breaks out -- suddenly, zika virus or worse can spread around the world. digital things can spread instantaneously. terrorists, hackers, climate change. what i say is now we need a wo

presidency and the legacy of barack obama. we talk to dorris kearns good win. >> i think he can say to himself and i don't know who could take this away from him, that in the eight years he was there, that he conducted himself with dignity, there were no scandals of any import. that he gave an impression of a man who really had a sense of trying to do for the country what he thought was best for the country. and i think, but on a larger scale, i think he thought he had laid down certain markers for social and economic justice. and in the long-term, that's what history looks at. >> rose: we conclude clued with actress nay onliee harris. >> i wanted to show here is a woman traumatized and then she's handed this child and she's trying to do the very best she can for as long as she possibly can but her demons eventually catch up with her. and it all becomes too much for her. so her self-hatred actually is played out in the way that she treats her son. >> rose: dor circumstances, kearns goodwin and naomie har ises when we continue. >> funding for charlie rose is provided by the following. >

assessment of how barack obama holding his press conference. speaker ryan: my assessment of the obama presidency? from a conservative standpoint, i like the man i know. he would be a great next-door neighbor. i just don't like him as president. [laughter] charlie: he would make a good neighbor. speaker ryan: yeah, he is the guy that would shovel your walk for your kids in a snowstorm. he is a good family man. i think that is important. this is a presidency of massive mispotential. he came in with a track record of being an ideologue, very left progressive, so it looks like that is what he could become. he ran his 2008 campaign as a total moderate. there was a lot of promise that he would be a moderate president, with his incredible gifts. no one can communicate like him. he had an opportunity to be more of a unifying president, if he were to become a centrist, but he stayed hard left. his view of government and the constitution is not one in keeping with our limited constitutional republic. i think the policies he put in place did not work. as a human being, i like the man. i don't li

opponent. this is frankly so strange. barack obama was so different. he was so wise. he did show such a coolness in the way of transmitting the flame of the state. >> rose: but as you say that, my friend, you would have liked to have seen barack obama and the u.s. government do more in areas where you have enormous concern about human rights. >> there is a lot of things -- >> rose: would have liked to have seen american leadership exercised more. >> i would have liked to have seen the american leadership exercising itself in syria. >> preventing the real carnage in aleppo. in aleppo the real carnage was there. >> rose: that was the same barack obama who you have been a couple of seconds ago praising. >> yes. >> rose: because of all the things you have said and written about the horror of aleppo and people who history will judge harshly. >> i praise him for his decency and his behavior. after that, politics, no politics is perfect. i wouldn't praise barack obama for the resolution for the u.n., about his policy on the state. this was not a good resolution. it was a bad place, bad timin

at an historic moment. give your assessment of barack obama who this afternoon held his final press conference. >> the obama presidency? >> and the man you knew. >> actually i like the man i know. he'd be a great next door neighborhood. >> charlie: a good neighbor. >> he would shovel your walk while on spring break with your kids. he's a very good family man and has led a good example as a good family man. i think that's important. i think he is a presidency of massive mispotential. i think he came in with a track record of being an ideologue and left progressive so that looked like what he could become but ran a campaign as a moderate. there was more a moment a lot of promise he might move to the middle and be a moderate president with his incredible gifts of -- no one can communicate like him. he's very gifted at this. he had an opportunity to be more a unifying president if he were to become a centrist but was more of a divided president because he stayed left and his view of the government and institution is one not in keeping with our traditional limited rights republic and the

question. when did you first get to know barack obama? doris: i first heard from him on my cellphone in the spring of 2007. all of a sudden i hear, "hello, this is barack obama. we have to talk." he was not talking about putting a rival into his cabinet. he was more interested, because he was behind hillary, how lincoln dealt with adversity and how he forgot his enemies, what kind of emotional intelligence he had. we talked about abraham lincoln. lincoln was the beginning of a friendship that started that many years ago. charlie: he began his quest for the presidency i think from springfield, did he not? doris: he did. he began it from springfield. the interesting thing is when he finally won the nomination, a reporter said to him, so would you really be willing to put into your inner circle a chief rival, even if his or her spouse were a pain? and he quoted lincoln, saying the country is in peril, these are the most able men in the country, i am putting my rivals in my cabinet. he made hillary his secretary of state. when i saw her at the inauguration, she teased me and said you are

. >> rose: we continue with bob gates, fompler defense secretary for both barack obama and george bush. and talking about now the national security profile of the trump administration. >> i told him the same thing that i said in the senate hearing in reducing rex tillerson for his nomination hearing. i said your administration is going to have to thread the needle, and figure out how on the one hand to push back against putin's aggressiveness and meddling and interventionism. and at the same time stop a continuing downward spiral in the u.s. --an relationship, that is potentially quite dangerous. but they've got to do both sides of it. >> rose: and we conclude with a look at the global economy with sharmin moose aver rahmani of goldman sachs. >> you look at equity valuation, we actually have now just turned over into the tenth-- meaning markets. if people had gone out of equities in july of 1995, when equities were in the tenth decile, they would have never gotten a chance to get back in and would have left 500% returns on the table since 1995. so our key message is valuation alone is

to the world. there was nothing about domestic policy. barack obama talked a lot about what was going on here with the financial crisis. let's see who trump is address. who does he think it's most important he talk to. >> how many, charlie may i add something. >> i will bring john meacham. >> go ahead, kathleen. >> i just wanted to say one thing. one of the things we watched so carefully with president-elect trump is his tone and his style. and it's not to say that that is more important that the content of what he says, but it is important. and forever, throughout the campaign, this is a man who almost never smiled. and he was always fierce and almost a. and so in order to be the as operational president that we are hoping to see tomorrow, i wonder if he is going to lighten his touch a little bit. and it would be very nice to see the president of the united states smile at america. and that goes to the point about who is he going to be talking to. it is always this angry fierce, even the picture he had taken of himself writing, allegedly waying his speech, you know, with the pa

to be only a america first, america first. >> former president barack obama thanked supporters today departing forfore california. helicopter with first lady michelle obama. privilege ofen the my life and i know i speak for michelle as well. we look forward to continuing this journey with all of you and i can't wait to see what you do next. inthe obama plan to stay washington until their younger daughter finishes high school. more african nations are recognizing gambia's new leader, a dominant borrow -- adama bar to and looks forward working relationship with him. the countries former president is being urged to step down peacefully. he refused to step down after the elections in december. speaking on bloomberg today from doctors, switzerland, the deputy prime minister is saying the curfew is not helping. turkey still, despite our issues, is still a democracy. country been subjected to the type of shock turkey has been addicted to, you would have a lot more draconian stuff. >> thousands have been detained since the coup. inmates with makeshift weapons held their ground at a pri

for barack obama he'll pick it up and be out in the media and be on twitter and make statements and that's not what he want to be talking about necessary or what republicans want to talk about but that's the nature of donald trump. >> charlie: thank you, julie, thank you, robert. back in a moment. stay with us. we begin with the dow jones soared above 20,000 for the first time in history wednesday afternoon and the s&p and nasdaq have surged in infrastructure. joining me bryon wien the vice chair of blackstone and michael regan a senior editor at bloomberg. byron, i'll give it to you first. what's going on? >> investors are taking trump at his word. they believe he's going to improve the economy. the economy was bumping along since the recovery began in 2009 and at less than a 2% growth rate. he promises something considerably more than that and the pro-growth outline you gave delivered 3% growth and when i went to school 3% is 50% more than 2%. most people think it will start to kick in in 2017 but you'll really feel it in 2018. my view is trump is an impatient guy and he's going t

. margaret. the speech. >> this was certainly a different speech then barack obama gave. the specific, in terms of types of groups that he would call out, domestically, and abroad. president obama's called out to muslims, people of color throughout the world. president trump's speech was focused speech. it was not focused beyond the shores of the united states, only to suggest that for interests are all out to get us economically. striking. >> i agree, but it was also quiet different from the speech that ronald reagan gave in 1981. is not the optimism that reagan some of thee gave same messages. it was also different from this gave.hat president bush it was a very confrontational speech, as you said. he talked about american carnage. i think america has a lot of problems, i don't know if it is carnage. it was a dark speech, in many ways. it was one that appealed to his days. i don't have any question of that. 39% of thebout american people. >> i would disagree with the notion that it was not an aspirational heat. through all the bleakness of the rhetoric, there was quiet a bit of promise

legacy of barack obama? sec. carter: well, he has a number of them. i would say in so far as we are concerned, i have been grateful for his support and approval and his encouragement. as i put together with the chairman and joint chiefs of staff and presented to him over the last 14 or 15 months, step-by-step an accelerating campaign against isil, president obama has approved every step we have asked for and sometimes that is difficult in that environment. he did not want to be any less aggressive than you wanted to be? sec. carter: he told me early on that he wanted to get rid of isil. i took him at his word and he kept his word. charlie: he gave you everything you needed in terms of -- sec. carter: boots on the ground, that expression. aircraft, money requests from congress, authorities. charlie: everything you have requested he has given you. sec. carter: the granted every request we made. i am very grateful for that. we have continuously seen opportunities. when you do a raid, you capture a guy. you learn something. that leads to another raid, another airstrike. every time we re

community, appointed by barack obama. he's going to have his only her ship in place and i think there will be some mistrust, but the message from this white house is i may have had problems with your leaders, i didn't have problems with you. charlie: thank you so much. we will be right back and talk to bob gates. charlie: robert gates is here. he has had a long and distinguished career in national security over the past five decades. he is served eight presidents as second-rate defense and director of the central intelligence agency. the paperback version of his book came out last week. it is called "a passion for leadership -- lessons on change and reform from 50 years of public service." i'm pleased to have him back at this table. we have much to talk about. [laughter] let's start with the inaugural speech. said --ell you what i it seemed to me more a call to action than an appeal to unity. mr. gates: i think it's a fair i think people need to get accustomed to the fact that this president is going to do things differently. he campaigned on being a disruptive force and there's

. margaret. the speech. >> this was certainly a different speech than the one barack obama gave eight years ago, wasn't it? it was less inspirational, less unifying and less specific in terms of which groups that he would call out, domestically and abroad. president obama's called out to muslims, people of color throughout the world. president trump's speech was entirely a u.s. focused speech. you can say certainly it was shores, buthese beyond that, it was not focus be on the shores of the united states. only to suggest that for interests are all out to get us economically. striking. >> i agree, but it was quite different from the speech that ronald reagan gave in 1981. it lacked the optimism that reagan gave when he was delivering the same conservative messages. and it was different than a speech george w. bush made in 2001 when he showed such grace and civility towards al gore, who he had actually tied with. so, it was a very confrontational speech, as you said. he talked about american carnage. i think america has a lot of problems, but i don't know if there is carnage across the

, thesethe chapters, the education of barack obama, but there were various tipping points along the way where he probably said, it's a nice campaign vision, but it's not going to happen. there obviously are a lot of people, including democrats, who blame him for not trying harder, certainly in congress, not trying to play the politics of washington and befriending republicans and all of that. charlie: i had this conversation with my guess last night, in terms of presidential leadership and working with other people. whether the shaping influences of his life determined whether he would be good in terms of lessrship traits, les good, in terms of being able to get people to do something they did not necessarily want to do. that's one definition of leadership. not that he didn't want to, not that he didn't try, but he failed in part for whatever reason. jeffrey: there's an interesting point in that, which is that he believes that an enlightened self interest combined with reason will lead people to certain obvious conclusions about the way the government should be organized, about the way

. cyberis a dimension. >> and the national security area, what is the legacy of barack obama. >> well, he has a number of them. but i would say in so far as we are concerned, i have been greatful for his support and approval and his encouragement. as i put together with the staff, general joe dunford and presented to him over the last 14, 15 months, step by step an accelerating campaign against isil, president obama has approved every step we've asked for and sometimes that's difficult, you know. in the environment. >> he has not wanted to be any less aggressive than you wanted to be. >> well, i think he told me early on that he wanted to get rid of isil. and i took him at his word and he kept his word. >> gave you everything you needed in terms of. >> every time you asked-- in terms of boots on the ground. aircraft, money requested from congress. authority. >> everything you have requested he has given you. >> he has granted us every request that we have made. and i've been very grateful for that. because we have continuously seen opportunities. you know when you do a raid you capture a

doubt. now to the red line with respect to syria. the president of the united states, barack obama, never ever retreated from his position that he was going to strike. he announced that he would strike, he announced we were going to take action, and he went to congress to ask congress for the permission to do that. he did that after david cameron, prime minister of britain, had gone to parliament and been turned down, and i was on a telephone call with about 100 congressmen, i think some senators, but definitely congressmen, i remember, many of whom were saying you've got to come to us, we need to be part of this. so the president decided to go to congress. now, in the intervening time when congress was deliberating -- and, by the way, congress became far more difficult to persuade than anybody thought they would be -- but while that happened i was asked at the press conference in london is there any way that assad could avoid being bombed? and i said declaratively, yes, he could get all the chemical weapons out of syria. foreign minister sergey lavrov called me within a couple of hours a