no. ( laughter ) walking and talking with barack obama. here it is. >> what are you going to miss most about this place? >> this walk is one of them. well, in a way, h he told us his family life hat thrived living and working under the white house roof but that his wife and daughter didn't feel the same way about life in what harry truman called the finest prison in the world. >> how do they feel? they're ready to go. the girls, obviously, they are now up in age in which the constraints of secret service and bubbles and all that stuff has gotten pretty old. michelle never fully took to the scrutiny. i mean, she thrived as a first lady but it's not her preference. >> he was the hardest sell. she was the hardest sell and she never fully embraced being in the public spotlight, which is ironic, given how good she is. having said that, she would acknowledge and i certainly feel that we just have a lot of memories here. our kids grew up here. some of our best friends have been made here in this place. there have been moments that were highlights

is frankly so bizarre, so strange, and when you see the ,omparison with barack obama barack obama obama was so different, so wise. he showed such a coolness in the way of transmitting the flame of the state. would like to have seen barack obama and the u.s. government do more in areas, human rights? you would like to have seen american leadership exercise more. bernard-henri: i would like to see it exercising itself in syria, preventing the carnage in aleppo. charlie: that was the same barack obama who you had been praising -- bernard-henri: yes. charlie: i pointed that out because of what you have written about the horror of aleppo. bernard-henri: i praise him for his decency. politics is not perfect. i would not praise him for the about the in the u.n. palestinian state. this was not a good resolution. it was bad timing to do that. story betweena democrats and republicans. it is not an affair of being right or left. it is an affair of being fit for office or not. hope,, the whole world trump,ing and hoping for revising his attitude. charlie: you have populism in france with marine le

under barack obama, quite often we did not. the real question is whether under donald trump we will be willing to have the visible hand of the united states. charlie: who has the strategic charlie: who has the strategic mind to create a new world order? richard: i think there are ideas out there. i did my best to put one out in this book, basically a new operating system for the world. we have had an operating system in the world, a set of rules, for nearly four centuries, which was very basic. you don't use military force to change borders and you allow governments tremendous space to do what they want in their country. i call that world order 1.0. when i argue is that during the era of globalization, that is necessary but not sufficient. charlie: we now have all kinds of means to transmit, transform. richard: the conveyor belt of globalization. something breaks out -- suddenly, zika virus or worse can spread around the world. digital things can spread instantaneously. terrorists, hackers, climate change. what i say is now we

the barack obama era did not do so badly in terms of jobs. charlie: no, no, the unemployment rate went from 4.oints plus down to but a lot of factories have moved out. it has upset their own economic security. bernard-henri: obamacare was not carnage. charlie: that language you thought was terribly inappropriate? bernard-henri: yes, it was inappropriate, and for me one of the reasons of this rise of populism is the lack of truth, the idea that the truth does not exist any longer. this post truth era. charlie: or alternative facts. bernard-henri: yes, alternative facts. even this affair of the size of the crowd, it had no sense to see this discussion with photos and so on. charlie: one last question about trump. you wrote in the new york times, " we cannot rule out the possibility that trump' seriously ostentatiouss signaling to israel may have sinister effects in the long term or short term based on those who would be only too happy to see the united states set the example of making unilateral, i negotiated decisions, therefore opening the wa

what do you want the country to know about barack obama? denis: i am routinely amazed at how hard this guy works, this president works while making it look effortless. charlie: grace under pressure? denis: i think so, or recognition that there is a right answer out there and he's bound to get it, bound to press his team and work with anybody to get the right answer. he goes up to the resident every night with a stack of binders and does not come down until he has read them. whether that is until three in the morning. the point is that this is a really hard job and the problems that land on his desk or heart problems. he takes that really seriously. and to be witness to that and party to that is not only extremely interesting intellectually, but i think speaks to his dedication to making sure he lives up to the expectations of the american people. i would say one other thing, as a dad myself, i love watching the president as a dad. i get advice from president for my kids, i get as management's or scolding from him when i'm not doing what i n

what do you want the country to know about barack obama? >> i am routinely amazed at how hard this guy works, this president works while making it look effortless. i just told you-- . >> rose: grace under pressure or something? >> i think so, or recognition that there is a right answer out there and he is bound to get it. and he bound so press his team and work with anybody to get the right answer. he goes, he goes up to the residence every night where a stabling of binders and he doesn't come down until they're read. or he doesn't go to bed until they're read. whether that's until 3:00 in the morning. the point is that this is really a hard job. and the problems that land on his desk are really hard problems. and he takes that really, really seriously. and to be witness to that and party to that is not only extremely interesting intellectually, but i think speaks to his dedication to making sure that he lives up to the expectations of the american people and what is ahead of them. i would say that is one thing. i would say one other thing

barack obama was so different. he was so wise. he did show such a coolness in the way of transmitting the flame of the state. >> rose: but as you say that, my friend, you would have liked to have seen barack obama and the u.s. government do more in areas where you have enormous concern about human rights. >> there is a lot of things -- >> rose: would have liked to have seen american leadership exercised more. >> i would have liked to have seen the american leadership exercising itself in syria. >> preventing the real carnage in aleppo. in aleppo the real carnage was there. >> rose: that was the same barack obama who you have been a couple of seconds ago praising. >> yes. >> rose: because of all the things you have said and written about the horror of aleppo and people who history will judge harshly. >> i praise him for his decency and his behavior. after that, politics, no politics is perfect. i wouldn't praise barack obama for the resolution for the u.n., about his policy on the state. this was not a good resolution. it was a bad

i think barack obama had that and a sense of poism about human nature. and i think he believes that things could get better by the power of reason that people would be restrained and what i think he never quite internalized is that evil can triumph over good, people have agendas, that they're not willing to compromise on. so unless you push back very hard, bad forces can gain the upper hand. i don't think he appreciated the capacity of evil, of ideology, of people's willingness to use military force. you saw it in the middle east. we saw it in europe. in some ways he was more reasonable than the world he inherited. >> so therefore he could not understand the threats to the world that he saw. >> i think he was also for political reasons extremely wary of large scale american commitments. again he came into office promising to undo the commitment to iraq, undue the commitment to afghanistan. he overlearned the lessons of his predecessor. in some ways george w. bush was argueically-- arguably the president who tried to do too much, to remaining the middle e

give me your assessment of how barack obama holding his press conference. speaker ryan: my assessment of the obama presidency? from a conservative standpoint, i like the man i know. he would be a great next-door neighbor. i just don't like him as president. [laughter] charlie: he would make a good neighbor. speaker ryan: yeah, he is the guy that would shovel your walk for your kids in a snowstorm. he is a good family man. i think that is important. this is a presidency of massive mispotential. he came in with a track record of being an ideologue, very left progressive, so it looks like that is what he could become. he ran his 2008 campaign as a total moderate. there was a lot of promise that he would be a moderate president, with his incredible gifts. no one can communicate like him. he had an opportunity to be more of a unifying president, if he were to become a centrist, but he stayed hard left. his view of government and the constitution is not one in keeping with our limited constitutional republic. i think the policies he put in place did not work. as

coalition didn't turn out for barack obama. i think the combination of things is how i would quickly describe the victory but donald's role in this is tapping a frustration, giving voice to it and related with people. >> what do you make of it when they say it was one part that and one part james combey -- comey and one part russians. >> i don't dispute that because all it did was reinforce the existing story. the russians and jim comey didn't put this stuff on computers. they were self-inflicted wounds and the narrative was already out there but i think what she did not do was connect with people and the way her predecessor did. donald trump did. he connected with people. here's the other point. your earlier question i don't think -- i think barack obama is a popular man and president. i don't think his policies are popular. i don't think the results of his policies are popular. we'll get into affordable care act i assume but when people say i don't like the direction the country's going. look at the polls. most americans don'

what adversity changed barack obama? >> well, i think he would talk about the fact that as a young man when his father was an absent father, and that desire to show prove yourself to that absent father or being of a mixed race and being-- get some teasing from that, the desire to prove that i can be a black man with a white mother, that is where ambition comes from. i mean he talked to me about that. he said that show when are you young you had this ambition to prove yourself to other people and add versity show hardens that. but then after a while the ambition becomes something more particular. and in his case i think it became politics became part of that ambition. public service and the desire to show make the country, and i think this must mean a certain sadness for him because he thought he was going to be bringing a country together because of what happened at grant park, because of that notion that when he won the election in 08y that we had moved forward on civil rights and on black economic opportunity and just

barack obama talked a lot about what was going on here with the financial crisis. let's see who trump is address. who does he think it's most important he talk to. >> how many, charlie may i add something. >> i will bring john meacham. >> go ahead, kathleen. >> i just wanted to say one thing. one of the things we watched so carefully with president-elect trump is his tone and his style. and it's not to say that that is more important that the content of what he says, but it is important. and forever, throughout the campaign, this is a man who almost never smiled. and he was always fierce and almost a. and so in order to be the as operational president that we are hoping to see tomorrow, i wonder if he is going to lighten his touch a little bit. and it would be very nice to see the president of the united states smile at america. and that goes to the point about who is he going to be talking to. it is always this angry fierce, even the picture he had taken of himself writing, allegedly waying his speech, you know, with the pad poised mid air, he was looking fierce a

. >> former president barack obama thanked supporters today departing forfore california. helicopter with first lady michelle obama. privilege ofen the my life and i know i speak for michelle as well. we look forward to continuing this journey with all of you and i can't wait to see what you do next. inthe obama plan to stay washington until their younger daughter finishes high school. more african nations are recognizing gambia's new leader, a dominant borrow -- adama bar to and looks forward working relationship with him. the countries former president is being urged to step down peacefully. he refused to step down after the elections in december. speaking on bloomberg today from doctors, switzerland, the deputy prime minister is saying the curfew is not helping. turkey still, despite our issues, is still a democracy. country been subjected to the type of shock turkey has been addicted to, you would have a lot more draconian stuff. >> thousands have been detained since the coup. inmates with makeshift weapons held their ground at a prison in brazil were 26 were recently

. >> rose: we continue with bob gates, fompler defense secretary for both barack obama and george bush. and talking about now the national security profile of the trump administration. >> i told him the same thing that i said in the senate hearing in reducing rex tillerson for his nomination hearing. i said your administration is going to have to thread the needle, and figure out how on the one hand to push back against putin's aggressiveness and meddling and interventionism. and at the same time stop a continuing downward spiral in the u.s. --an relationship, that is potentially quite dangerous. but they've got to do both sides of it. >> rose: and we conclude with a look at the global economy with sharmin moose aver rahmani of goldman sachs. >> you look at equity valuation, we actually have now just turned over into the tenth-- meaning markets. if people had gone out of equities in july of 1995, when equities were in the tenth decile, they would have never gotten a chance to get back in and would have left 500% returns on the table since 1995. so our key message is valuation alone is

. >> this was certainly a different speech then barack obama gave. the specific, in terms of types of groups that he would call out, domestically, and abroad. president obama's called out to muslims, people of color throughout the world. president trump's speech was focused speech. it was not focused beyond the shores of the united states, only to suggest that for interests are all out to get us economically. striking. >> i agree, but it was also quiet different from the speech that ronald reagan gave in 1981. is not the optimism that reagan some of thee gave same messages. it was also different from this gave.hat president bush it was a very confrontational speech, as you said. he talked about american carnage. i think america has a lot of problems, i don't know if it is carnage. it was a dark speech, in many ways. it was one that appealed to his days. i don't have any question of that. 39% of thebout american people. >> i would disagree with the notion that it was not an aspirational heat. through all the bleakness of the rhetoric, there was quiet

when he hears that people saw pictures of his inauguration and it wasn't as crowded as for barack obama he'll pick it up and be out in the media and be on twitter and make statements and that's not what he want to be talking about necessary or what republicans want to talk about but that's the nature of donald trump. >> charlie: thank you, julie, thank you, robert. back in a moment. stay with us. we begin with the dow jones soared above 20,000 for the first time in history wednesday afternoon and the s&p and nasdaq have surged in infrastructure. joining me bryon wien the vice chair of blackstone and michael regan a senior editor at bloomberg. byron, i'll give it to you first. what's going on? >> investors are taking trump at his word. they believe he's going to improve the economy. the economy was bumping along since the recovery began in 2009 and at less than a 2% growth rate. he promises something considerably more than that and the pro-growth outline you gave delivered 3% growth and when i went to school 3% is 50% more than 2%. most people think it will start to kick in in 2017 but y

charlie: in the national security area, what is the legacy of barack obama? sec. carter: well, he has a number of them. i would say in so far as we are concerned, i have been grateful for his support and approval and his encouragement. as i put together with the chairman and joint chiefs of staff and presented to him over the last 14 or 15 months, step-by-step an accelerating campaign against isil, president obama has approved every step we have asked for and sometimes that is difficult in that environment. he did not want to be any less aggressive than you wanted to be? sec. carter: he told me early on that he wanted to get rid of isil. i took him at his word and he kept his word. charlie: he gave you everything you needed in terms of -- sec. carter: boots on the ground, that expression. aircraft, money requests from congress, authorities. charlie: everything you have requested he has given you. sec. carter: the granted every request we made. i am very grateful for that. we have continuously seen opportunities. when you do a raid, you capture a guy. you learn som

. >> certainly a different speech than the one barack obama gave eight years ago. >> rose: aspirational for sure. >> less specific in terms of the types of groups he would call out both domestically and abroad. president obama's speech called to muslims, hindus, people around the world, mention of allies and enemies. president trump's speech was entirely a u.s.-focus speech. you can say it was focused on his core, but beyond that wasn't focused beyond the shores of the united states other than to suggest foreign interests whether allies or enemies are all out to get us chickly. pretty striking. >> i agree, but it was quite different than the speech ronald reagan gave in 19981, lacked the optimism reagan had when he was delivering some of the same conservative messages, and it was different than the speech george w. bush gave in 2001 when he was -- you know, he showed such grace and civility towards al gore whom he actually tied with as opposed to lose the popular vote. so it was a very confrontational speech. he talked about american carnage. america has lots of problems. i'm not quite

obama, but there were various tipping points along the way where he probably said, it's a nice campaign vision, but it's not going to happen. there obviously are a lot of people, including democrats, who blame him for not trying harder, certainly in congress, not trying to play the politics of washington and befriending republicans and all of that. charlie: i had this conversation with my guess last night, in terms of presidential leadership and working with other people. whether the shaping influences of his life determined whether he would be good in terms of lessrship traits, les good, in terms of being able to get people to do something they did not necessarily want to do. that's one definition of leadership. not that he didn't want to, not that he didn't try, but he failed in part for whatever reason. jeffrey: there's an interesting point in that, which is that he believes that an enlightened self interest combined with reason will lead people to certain obvious conclusions about the way the government should be organized, about the way the world should be organized. he doesn't hav

. >> this was certainly a different speech than the one barack obama gave eight years ago, wasn't it? it was less inspirational, less unifying and less specific in terms of which groups that he would call out, domestically and abroad. president obama's called out to muslims, people of color throughout the world. president trump's speech was entirely a u.s. focused speech. you can say certainly it was shores, buthese beyond that, it was not focus be on the shores of the united states. only to suggest that for interests are all out to get us economically. striking. >> i agree, but it was quite different from the speech that ronald reagan gave in 1981. it lacked the optimism that reagan gave when he was delivering the same conservative messages. and it was different than a speech george w. bush made in 2001 when he showed such grace and civility towards al gore, who he had actually tied with. so, it was a very confrontational speech, as you said. he talked about american carnage. i think america has a lot of problems, but i don't know if there is carnage across the land. it was a dark sp