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happen, too. there's always surprises in these elections. >> jim van dehey, thank you so much. to all of our viewers out there, sign up for the newsletter. >> that does it for us on this tuesday. "morning joe" starts right now. >> tell me the how. are you going to have a massive deportation force? >> you're going to have a deportation force and you're going to do it humanely. >> what if they're applying for asylum? >> we'll told them until their trial takes place. >> where? >> we're going to build tent cities. we're not goes to build structures and spend hundreds of millions of dollars. we're going to have tents. they're going to be very nice. >> very nice tents. you know, kind of like summer
joy, here you go. >> isn't it something that every president, every campaign will have their closing arguments. and you can go back and whether it was becky quick arack obama reagan, they always had and their parties always had their closing argument. this is why you should re-elect us. >> this is our message. >> this is who we are. now, normal times, the republicans would use that tax cut that they passed. thats was supposed to be their supreme court argument. perhaps donald trump bragging about making the judiciary, you could go down the line of things that you would expect the economy, this president to use as his closing argument. but what donald trump and what
the republican party is using is racism. you see it with donald trump saying he's going to circumvent the constitution with a -- he can't do that. you have people on right wing talk radio and right wing tv talking about the small pox that we eradicated that was, oh, migrants are going to bring in small pox and other diseases. you have the most outrageous claims of presidents talking about tent cities. and get this, james mattis couldn't even talk donald trump into keeping enough troops, 2,000, 3 h,000, 4,000 troops in syria to defeat isis and push back iran, yet he's sending 5,000 troops down to the border
when that is not what our troops need to do. our troops need to be home with their families. these people are thousands of miles away. but, again, it's not about anything other than appealing to americans' most basic race instincts. we have a new poll we're going to talk about that shows donald trump's approval ratings dropping which is not a surprise given his dreadful performance over the past week. >> the pentagon announced it will deploy 5,200 additional troops to the southern border by the end of this week.
>> in response to nothing. >> it's incredible. the announcement marks the largest quick deployment of u.s. active troops since the response to the 2010 response to the earthquake in haiti. exceeding the combined u.s. military footprint in iraq and syria. just take a second and think about that. >> that is absolutely insane. they're going to be staring across the border at nothing. >> at the wall. >> and they will be do it. the day after the election we, they're going to start talking about pulling them back. this is an election ploy and it's a pathetic one because now donald trump is playing with the lives of the men and the women
of the u.s. military. >> at a time when we've had a terrorist attack on our democracy and on top democrats and trump critics, we're focused on the border. the top u.s. border security official estimates the size of the original caravan at 3,500 people. president trump tweeted yesterday, quote, many gang members and some very bad people are mixed into the caravan heading to our southern border. please, go back. you will not be admitted into the united states unless you go through the legal process. this is an invasion of our country and our military is waiting for you. >> you know, mika, this is such a lie. again, i just -- how stupid -- i mean, how stupid does he think voters are? but, you know, it's worse than that. as we've already mentioned, yesterday we saw some people on
fox news seizing on the issue of this phony caravan trying to underscore their point in a way that really sort of sounded like certain regimes in the 20th century that we don't want to even bring up. take a listen. what about diseases? there's a reason you can't bring a kid to school unless he's inoculated. >> they're coming in with diseases such as small box and leprosy and tb that are going to affect our people in the united states. >> we simply cannot tolerate the continued invasion in this country when americans are suffering every day, the national debt is exploding. we have diseases spreading across the country that are causing polio-like paralysis of our children. >> you can't very well blame that disease on illegal immigrants. we don't know the cause of it. >> willie, this is dumb
founding. fox news is now claiming that these migrants are so devious that they have the power to bring small pox back to planet earth. i've just got to ask how stupid do we think they are and then i think about sarah sanders talking about donald trump winning by a massive number of votes and suddenly you realize jut how stupid they think there are base is. >> it's all very insulting. the last known case of small pox -- we just had the 41st anniversary, it was october 31st, 1967. a hospital cook in somalia was the last known case of small pox. so let's just put that out on the table. and, joe, as we talk about this and we talk about the troops, for a man and the president who
talks about how much he loves the military, he sure doesn't show them much respect here by spending 5,200 of them to the border in a place where there's already 2,000 national guard troops and the border patrol. does the president not have faith in his great border patrol that they can do the job that they do every day? they have the people, they have the weapons if they need them, they have black hawk helicopters. they can control 3,500 people now and it will like le ly be m than that when it reaches the border. i think this is disrespectful to the troops he's sending down there.
>> if you just take recent history, they're suggesting that 12 people trying to come to america getting arrested is going to relaunch an epidemic that hasn't been around since 1980. again, you look. it is a concerted effort to donald trump, his administration and fox news to whip up a frenzy. now they're talking about small pox. >> they're not only talking about small pox. i note for the record that they're talking about leprosy which i think is interesting. leprosy, of course, is the most famous disease in the bible and i think they are trying to actually trigger people who are bible readers and religious people to think that in effect the caravan or the invasion or whatever they're calling it is bringing biblical sized plagues to america. it's not unclever. i mean, it's built on falsehoods, obviously, but it's not an unclever play. note that this issue is really
remarkable. i sometimes feel like we're in a movie with about a cynical political manipulator who is doing whatever he has to do to get through the midterms. the border is well guarded. millions of people cross that boarderer every week legally. this cara van is a nothing burger, but it's very, very useful right now. >> you look at what donald trump is doing, you look at what fox news is doing, this is idiocracy. they think that their base, they think that republicans are so stupid that they're going to believe all of this. i guess -- well, you know what, though? not everybody at fox news would have been allowed to star in
mike judge's film, because shepp smith, once again, told the truth as shepp smith always seems to tell the truth about this so-called fantasy caravan. take a look. >> tomorrow, the migrants according to fox news reporting are more than two months away, if any of them actually come here. but tomorrow is one week before the midterm election. which is what all of this is about. there is no invasion. no one is coming to get you. there's nothing at all to worry about. when they did this to us, got us all riled up in april, there was 14 arrests. we're america. we can handle it. >> hey, mika, i have two words for you. hotty totty. the people at ole miss have to be proud of shepp smith because while people are spewing bs all around him, lying, and, you
know, jeffrey goldberg talking about, actually, he's talking about the bible, obviously, the people that are are getting -- that are hearing this don't read the bible that much, if they believe it, because, my god, the whole new testament. you look at the story of the good samaritan, you look at matthew 25 which, of course, somebody tried reading to jeff sessions and he had them arrested. i mean, that's where we are right now. a guy tried to read one of the most important scriptures in the entire bible, jesus' message on how you enter the kingdom of heaven and for doing that, jeff sessions had police officers coming in and arresting him. no, no, there is nothing christ-like about anything that we're seeing here, but tell you, shepp smith right there, he told the truth and i know a lot of people in mississippi have to be proud of him. >> well, i just am not sure what happens with other anchors and
hosts and members of the media community, journalism, what happens when they say things like the things they said that i'm not going to repeat that we just played on this show. i don't -- that's not responsible. >> well, what about the president saying he could change the constitution. >> that's who they're echoing. >> with an executive order. >> here is what the president told axios
jim van dehei last night. take a look. >> on immigration, some legal scholars believe you can get rid of their rights to citizenship without changing the constitution. >> with an executive order. >> have you thought about that? >> yes. >> tell me more. >> it was always told to me that you need a constitutional amendment. guess what? you don't. >> that's in dispute. >> you can do it with an act of congress. but now they're saying i can do it just with an executive order. how ridiculous -- we're the only
country in the world where a person comes in with,
has a baby and the baby is essentially a citizen of the united states for 85 years with all of those benefits. it's ridiculous and it has to end. >> have you talked about that with counsel? >> yeah, i have. >> so where in the process -- >> it's in the process. it will happen. with an executive order. that's what you're talking about. that's an interesting question. i didn't think anybody knew that but me. i thought i was the only one. >> oh, my god. >> mr. president, i know that sometimes your memory is a little -- you talked about this before. i think you talked about this in 2017. i'm not sure of the exact year. but mika, you can't change the constitution with an executive order. the president says the constitution is ridiculous. well, it's been around for a couple couphundred years and it done already. >> so jim van dehei, as we watch
this last race to the finish line with racism sirens ringing loudly, did you see when you and jonathan swan were talking to the president? it almost seemed like -- and i wonder if you would concur -- that he was making stuff up as he went along. i don't think he understood what he was talking about because if he did, he would understand you don't do that. >> i think it's the opposite. i think he's been thinking about this for the several weeks. he's been talking to lawyers externally and internally. i think even the stuff he sees on fox news, i think he believes this. i think there's parts of it that are no doubt propaganda. i think there's parts of it that he thinks is happening. the interview was fascinating. it will be on sunday. but it turned into a very, very tense argument about a lot of
things he's saying and doing and the guy just believes it. like yes, part of it is for show, but part of it, you can see it in his eyes, this is his heart. he does not feel like he has an obligation to bring anything down, any temperature down. he feels very passionately about these things that he's doing and it looks like he'll try to proceed with this. most lawyers that we talked to don't think you can do this. there is the 14th amendment that says if you are born on u.s. soil that you are a citizen of the united states. you about, again, like on immigration, this is one of the topics he has been fairley consistent on and he's certainly getting i think a harder edge on it as you get near the election. and i think a lot of the fox viewers, they believe it. they think there'ses this threat. shepp smith put it beautifully. they're months away.
we're going to have 5200 people or 500,000 people backing the border he. we have a pretty secure southerner border for all this nonsense that we have to build more and this and this, it's a pretty fortified border. sure, there's people that occasionally get through, but now you'll have three lines of defense for a couple of men, a couple of women and a couple of pickup trucks. >> willie, what have we been saying for two years? this entire thing is a farce. there has been a net immigration flow for a couple of years now. >> yeah, for several years. it ticked up last year under president trump, ironically. so now he can say it's gone up last year, well, it was under his administration. if you listen to what the president said about getting rid of birth right citizenship, this
has been around for a long time. they ever introduced legislation several times to get rid of this. but put all this together, what the president is doing right now, floating the idea of getting rid of birth right citizenship and sending 5,200 troops to the border. >> there is nothing random about this. it all fits. for your entire lifetime, for mine, for everyone on the set this morning, the principal debate in europe and the united states was about the role of government and the economy. how much market versus how much state. what we're now seeing is a rotation politically. that is no longer the principal debate. the principal debate in europe and the united states, the real fault line that gets people going is this issue of openness, how open are we to people, how open are we to trade? and it's this issue of national identity versus
internationalism, globalism, if you will. so what donald trump is doing is he is mining that fault line. he is working it, whether it's birth right citizenship, whether it's sending troops to a border that's not under siege, but it swung the vote in brexit. that's what happened. it swung the vote across europe and it has a powerful, galvanizing effect here. this is where we are now. this is a fundamental political change, a real transformation. in the democratic world. and we're no longer arguing serious issues about how to regulate our economies, we're no longer arguing serious issues say about how to fight the cold war. we are arguing questions about national identity and it's not that far to get from that to issues of racism and everything we're seeing now in western societies. >> and joe, again, do you want 5200 people at the border and get rid of citizenship or do you want small pox and rapists
flooding in. >> this is incredible. >> we've been saying it nonstop. if people don't have a google machine in their house, they can go next door and check everything he says here. use the president's own government statistics. you will find 3.1% of the people that came in last night, the numbers are so small and, again, the cara van in april, 12, 13, 14 people arrested by the end. it is ridiculous. let's follow up in a minute on what richard haas just said. angela merkel saying she's not going to run for re-election, also, of course, david duke and
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country. i'm somebody that wants to take care of on our country. for many, many years, our leaders have been more worried about the world than they have about the united states and they leave us in a mess. >> actually, here is the interesting thing. it's not people on the left, laura, who actually think nationalist means being a racist and being a white nationalist. it's the white nationalists themselves. >> she's a very smart woman. she knows this. >> here is david duke just this week. unless i missed something, i don't think he's writing for the nation. david duke talks about being a nationalist because, again, he's not sending dog whistles any more. he's just playing the fog horn for them. trump embraces nationalism in a massive jam packed 99.9% venue
in houston. zio journalists asked him if this is white nationalism. of course fundamentally it is. as there is no ethnic or racial group in america more nationalists than white americans. so what's the problem? caddie kay, donald trump has been playing to david duke, he's been playing to richard spencer since charlottesville and even before then. and for some fox news host to come on and say it's liberals, i know they're not stupid. i know they're smart people. they know this is all about making people like david duke happy. >> you said it earlier, this seems to be where he is.
and he is surrounded on issues of race, on issues of immigration by people like steven miller who have been trying ever since he came into the white house to cut back on the number of immigrants. it's not just, i don't think, a midterm political ploy. this is something that this white house has always looked at, has always been close to. you can -- it's white nationalism. for europeans, this goes back to the 1930s and the specter of facism. ask george orwell and he'll tell you that nationalism came with aggression. and i think where the president chose that world, nationalist, he clearly thought about it very hard. and it is wrapped up in these issues of dominance of one race and one country over another. and it doesn't surprise me at
all, but i think this is what donald trump believes. >> it's obviously what alt-writealt alt-righters and neo-nazis believe. this is not new. he was told that this kind of terminology was rooted in 1930s movements, pro nazi movements and then continued to use the language and added in, folded in language about globalists. so this is just a continuation
of a deliberate policy to activate the fears and signal not just to the alt right that, hey, you know, i understand your point, you know, and it all ties. everything is one thing right now. the caravan is a bunch of brown people moving toward america, 3,000 people moving to a country -- moving towarder a country of 330 million people. but it's activating and, of course, the terrorists in pittsburgh who i won't name, you know, was baging in this in all of this anxiety and paranoia. you blame the shooter for doing the shooting. but there's a climate right now in which i'm just afraid on a personal level that there are more people like this guy in
pittsburgh who are being activated by the same material. >> yeah. >> it seems very -- it is obvious and for people that claim that it's not, it is dangerous. you look at the bombing, mika, the bomber from florida, this guy was on social media talking about food to donald trump. then he picked out of every one of donald trump's enemies that donald trump stirred hatred up against. let me just say for viewers, when you hear the word globalist coming from donald trump, can tell you what david duke and white supremacists and neo-nazis think, jews, globalist international bankers, george soros, when you say your congressman and your local district talking about that, it is always coded and it has always been coded at anti semantic hate speech. we've seen it play out,
unfortunately, over the last week. >> richard haas, if you could pull it up to 30,000 feet and talk about a global trend that we may or may not be seeing here or any parallels that you see between this president's rapidly developing behavior in the run up to these midterms as it pertains to racism and the others and the caravans to other figures that we've seen in history. is it okay to go there? >> let's start with your first question. it's happening all over the world. we're seeing it over the weekend in brazil. the idea that this thug, who is anti-democracy, what he says about gay people, women, his contempt for the rule of law that he wins the election there. we're seeing it in places like the philippines, we're seeing it in turkey, we're seeing it in big parts of europe. parts of europe that were liberated from soviet control have now become extraordinarily ill liberal and just in one
generation. so we're seeing it all over the world. people are anxious. people are uneasy for any number of robes. and it's only going to get worse as these new technologies come along from artificial intelligence to robots to autonomous vehicles. millions of jobs are going to be eliminated. unless we train a lot of peel, they will be unemployed for the rest of their lives. we're seeing it blamed on trade. there is historical parallels. you see all this emphasis on ca caravans a week before the
election, this is the thing that historically fits. commitment to the idea about democracy, freedom, opportunity. you're only judged by your merits. this to me is profoundly un-american what we're seeing. >> so when he talks about being a nationalist, it seems to me he confuses being a nationalist with being a patriot. i think at best, the president doesn't understand the power of his words, what it means when he says something like that. and at worst, he's sending code. he's sending signal and giving cover to people who interpret that like david duke, as we saw there, a guy that the president claimed in february of 2016 he didn't know and never heard of somehow in the united states of america. giving cover to people like david duke to go about their business.
>> right. ignorance is no defense when you're the president, but ignorance is also implausible here because we've been in this drama for a couple of years now. and people have explained them. people on cable television have explained it to him right through the tube. is it cynical? it seems as if he feels this. subtext has become text. what used to be five years ago, ten years ago, dog whistles to appeal to the fears of white voters, now were just stated openly. i mean, i think back all the time to george w. bush's first im pulse or one of his first
impulses was to signal to american mosques, hey, we have a problem, but you're not the enemy. that impulse is the impulse that seems to be largely absent from decision making in the white house right now. >> you know, i don't think we with -- i think we always expected possibly people like this with impulses like this, but i don't think we expected a complexit media arm or a complicit congress to be part of this. and this is what we're dealing with at this point. >> the problem here is not only is the media arm complicit, not only is congress complicit, they are actively engaging in the fear mongering and the lying and the hatred and the racism. >> this is what we didn't expect. >> when you talk about the others bringing small pox to america, when it was eradicated in 1980, when you're talking about bringing leprosy to the
united states by a caravan that is not even going to exist by the time it gets to the united states if what happened in april happens, as well. they are spreading this racist lie. think about this. if you're a stockholder of a certain media company, the stock that you are holding actually puts you in ownership with a media company that is spreading white nationalist lies, lies about leprosy, lies about small box, lies about the others inviting the united states of america. >> i would ask advertisers to take a look at where you're
putting your money. >> yes. yeah. >> if you like white nationalist, you can invest in some of these fox news programs and these fox hosts. you can do the that. they're there for you. >> because they're talking about small pox being brought to america. this is not even a close call. we talked about lou dobbs spreading conspiracy theories about the bombs being fake. and the same thing with back benchers of congress. if you're contributing to certain back benchers of congress, you're giving money to somebody that is actually spreading the big lie, right now, talking about the others, lying about small pox, lying about leprosy. no, no, mika, i wish they were only complicit. this is far worse than that. still ahead, president trump's midterm election ad is missing one thing. president trump. what it says about his standing with the voters just one week from the election as his numbers
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joining us now, the author of "the red and the blue" steve kornacki and republican communication strategist and msnbc political contributor rick tyler. gentlemen, good morning. we are one week away from the midterm elections. president trump's multi state campaign swing will not bring him to arizona, a state he he won in 2016 and new numbers in that state's u.s. senate ratio. the democrat doubling hesitate least from last month. congresswoman kiersten sinema leads martha mcsally 50% to 44%. this lines.up with president trump's approval rating in the state, 44% approve, according to the poll and 49% disapprove. >> i think that number is the key. as goes trump's approval rating, so goes the fortunes of
republican candidates. republicans were were hopeful that the past few weeks in terms of sort of opposition research, that it emerged about about sinema, all sorts of comments she made in the past five years when she was an activist, liberal oriented politician, she had gone through a number of events, made very controversial statements about her state, about arizona. they thought they would ee rose her standing in the state more. sinema still in this poll outrating mcsally. this the one is a very encouraging poll for democrats. >> you know, rick tyler, what's so interesting is you see these numbers move and they move pretty quickly. but there was that moment. as you know better than all of us, you can have a moment that defines a campaign. here, we are talking about
health care and, as she's being bombarded with questions about opposing pre-existing questions and she's being bombarded by questions from the press about her own people on obamacare, she says, come on, why don't we talk about an issue that's important to people. why don't we talk about the caravan. that is one of those moments that any -- that looking back if they don't win this campaign, they're going to want that moment because because that's where she told arizona voters she believed a phony story about a caravan was more important than the real story about health care in arizona. >> yeah, joe. in any election talking about health care as if it's not an important issue is ridiculous, especially now. but these races, in the final week, they start to tighten up and it's hard to overcome this momentum. i think the republicans did have a bad week. this race is about one thing.
the democratic message is about donald trump. to me, it's not a coincidence that his poll numbers or his approval ratings in arizona, which is a state he's not very popular. arizona loved john mccain and donald trump not so much liking john mccain. so that seat to me looks like it's a likely pick up for democrats. >> let's hop over to texas. ted cruz has a lead, 51% to 46% for democratic congressman beto o'rourke who is down five points after trailing in this poll by nine points earlier this month. what is the movement here, steve? >> there's a question of if there is significant movement or not. this does continue the trend of essentially every poll since labor day had ted cruz ahead. there had been one there i think in the first days of september that put o'rourke ahead. democrats are counting on this
idea of, you know, one thing i think they're encouraged by is nationally our polls showed this last week. there's been a surge of interest among latino voters. they're hoping in states like texas that translates to a bit of a boost for them. in texas, republicans tend to do fairley well compared to how they do nationally with the latino vote. but i think that's one on of those areas where democrats hope that down the stretch, there's been a spike of interest among latino voters that could boost them in states like this. >> that is absolutely so critical. rick tyler, i was reading an article last night from 538 and they were saying democrats only have a one in six chance of taking back the senate, but about an 80% chance of taking back the house. does that sound about right to you? >> yeah. i think on election day, steve and i were talking about this before coming on camera, i think
this election will be a mixed bag. there will be a lot for everyone, for both sides to sort of brag about. it seems to me that democrats will pick up the house. all the conventional metrics, people are spooked because donald trump won and no one predicted that. but it was very hard to look at that race and believe that donald trump would win. he ran the table and he won and that's that. but in an off year election, there is no electoral college, so he can go back to looking at the favorbility, the right track/wrong track, the generic ballot. then you start going down the individual races, i think there's 41 incumbents that walked away from their seat. it's hard to imagine the democrats won't do well. in the senate, it's probably a different story. it seems likely that the democrats will not win the senate and the republicans will marginally hold on to it, which will enable donald trump to say in an off year election, we had the best off year election since who knows when.
so i think everybody will sort of claim victory here. >> and steve kornacki, i found it interesting that the conclusion was that democrats are more likely than not, even though a lot of close races, lo polls to squeak it out in indiana, missouri and win comfortably in florida but lose in north dakota, tennessee and texas. does that sound about right to you >> that's it. those three, in terms of the question of senate control. if democrats don't win one of those last three, north dakota where we got two polls now showing heitkamp the democrat down double digits, that one seems fading away very fast for democrats. tennessee, you know, where mash shah blackburn has improved her standing in the last month to six weeks, but democrats within striking distance. tex unless democrats within one of the three they are not eastern in the game of seeing control of
the senate. >> new york's 19th district, what do the numbers show you? >> is this a significant finding. a republican held seat, incumbent republican, john faso. losing to his democratic challenger. that's a five-point margin. the district we're talking about, a lot of these in upstate new york. this one, it went for obama in 2012 to trump in 2016. it's a pivot district. went from obama to trump. trump did better than expected here. helped get faso elected in 2016. trump's approval rating in this district is not far off where faso is running. same dynamic. the other thing they are seeing justin last week, and remember the poll was conducted concurrently with the bombs sent last week and with the pittsburgh tragedy over the weekend, they are seeing a jump in democratic support among
women too. these are the outer suburbs of new york city into rural areas and you see there it's an obama-trump district where the democrat leads by five points. that's the kind of district if you can add to these suburban seats deposition being well positioned. you start talking about democrats not just guesting the house but maybe the democrats getting the house by a sizable margin. >> let's bring in heidi przybyla. she's looking at congressional republicans and their final push. what's their strategy >> nbc news learned that paul ryan's political arm is as of today going to be sending out a number of rapid fire contrast ads that they are going to be running in a tight circle of districts, in about 15 districts that they told me they view as potential fire wall against a larger gain in democratic control. now they are not conceding that they are going to lose control of the house by any means, but they are saying by focusing on
these 15 districts they think they can really narrow whatever those gains are by democrats. so we have one of those ads now that is an example that's running in some of these districts. this one runs in illinois 12. take a look. >> he saved illinois families $2,200. 4 million jobs have been created and unemployment at a 50 year low. brendan kelly would take us backwards. he supported a tax hike. and kelly joined nancy pelosi to oppose the middle class tax cut. kelly and nancy pelosi, higher taxes, lost jobs. >> this is an example of a district where trump won by 12 points here in 2016. so, these 15 districts are a mixed bag but they are a number of them and if republicans lose here they will have a really lousy night. the second thing is that nbc
news obtained a memo that's going out this morning to republican donors from paul ryan's pact that's warning of a quote green wave because they are really struggling here with fundraising. they say the overall situation remains quote alarming, that in october democrats youmt raised republicans by 90% in most of the competitive house races. >> heidi, thank you very much. >> first of all, how quaint that actually you had a republican ad that talked about tax cuts. that talked about the economy. that talked about growing jobs. instead of making stuff i will say about smallpox and leprosy. it seems like a blast from the past. >> i hope they get their tax cuts. now to national political reporter who is tracking what president obama and vice president biden are doing in the final week before the election.
his new piece for nbc news is entitled "obama and biden are on a mission to win backswing state voters." mike, i've been wondering just how how much president obama would put himself out there. >> well that's right, mika. the term you hear obama advisors use getting a lot of bang for his buck. when you look at the six public rallies he's done so far here in this mid-term stretch run, four have been in states where he won twice on the road to the white house in 2008 and 2012 but then that flipped to donald trump in 2016. you know, i also remember joe biden sitting on set with you all at the 2016 democratic convention, being rather candid about his concern that the clinton campaign wasn't doing enough to talk to these middle class voters, these voters who were potentially slipping away. i remember covering the last rally he did the night before the election he did with tim
kaine. his message was striking i hope we win this thing tomorrow but there are a lot of voters who will come out and support donald trump who had been supporting us. we need to ask tough questions why that is. fast forward two years later you same obama and joe biden spending a lot of their time here in this critical final week talking to those voters, voters that supported them twice, who had gone for donald trump in 2016. steve just mentioned the new york 19th district, one of those obama-trump districts. joe biden was there friday. today he's here in wisconsin. clinton didn't go there in the stretch one. biden has two events before he moves on to iowa. >> that was one of the big issues is getting to wisconsin. thank you very much for your reporting. nbc steve kornacki, thank you as well. and a week from tomorrow morning, the morning after the mid-term elections we'll
broadcast life from studio 8h at rockefeller center. we'll break down the results and what it means for the trump presidency and america's future. for more information visit msnbc. donald trump stays the mid-term elections are all about him. but he's nowhere to be seen. "morning joe" is coming right back.
> . willie geist, whenever i hear the name richard haas of think of two things. can you name those two things. >> baby backed ribs. >> and new york yankees. >> and new york yankees. >> i was going to compliment you on your discipline. >> what are you talking about? >> there it goes. >> we talked to willie yesterday about it. we have set ourselves up for the ultimate failure now next year. we're pretty sure, willie, just the way everything played out. they threw price way too much.
we may, if baltimore and tampa have down years, we may finish in third next year. >> you say -- >> this is incredible. >> you said it four minutes after the last out. we're doomed next year. you said it's the year of the rays next year. >> i bet you guys will win 114, 115 games next year. we're lucky if we go -- maybe win 88, 89. >> willie geist -- >> the yankees of the 21st century is that something that makes you feel good or unconservatively? >> the thing is we backed into everything we've gotten. and we just, we're just grateful that you guys still let us play in the american league east. like i said we're a little worried about next year. you look. your team is so good. you're so good.
we're just sitting here trying to figure out, seriously. who do we play at first base. >> everybody who is not a woman stop talking. willie, i have a question for you. have you ever seen anything like this before. bring up joe. bring up joe. willie, watch this. 1932. >> the new york yankees. >> 1940. >> that would be the reds. >> 1949. >> '49 the yankees again. >> 1970. >> 1970 the orioles. >> 1989. >> '89 the a's, earthquake series. >> 1996. >> '96 the yankees. >> willie. >> you know in '96 the "atlantis" braves went up 2-0 against the yankees. it's a rain man thing. >> 2000. >> stop. stop picking years that the yankees won. willie. >> 2004. >> 2004. that's a good year. >> 1948.
>> 1948. the 1948 the last time the cleveland indians won the world series. >> that's like that scene in "a beautiful mind." you're there with the newspaper clippings and shouting at the walls. >> it's very funny. we were walking around-the-house yesterday and i would just say to her because i was disturbed, name a year. she yelled stop it, stop it. i think it's really more like dustin hofman when he was talking about qantas in "rain man." >> it's useless. okay. >> it's not useless, it's critically important. anyway, let's talk about some other numbers, mika. i told you that in 1940 it was the reds that won the world series. 40 is a number that's appropriate for our next story. >> in one week voters will be
going to the polls and the 2018 mid-term elections will being decided. and in the closing days of the campaign, president trump's approval rating is dropping down four points to 40%. his disapproval rating is up to 54%. what was a six point negative approval rating a week ago is now a 14 point gap. republicans are now pouring last minute money into reliably red districts to hold off democratic challengers while the trump campaign announced it is spending $6 million to air a closing ad that does not feature a single mention or image of the president. trump has staked out an 11 rally closing campaign tour with two stops each in florida, missouri and indiana. >> democrats have to be happy about that. >> along with visits to west virginia, ohio, georgia, tennessee and montana. last night the president inflated the size of those rallies as the white house again tried to rewrite the history of
the 2016 election. >> i'm getting 25 and 30,000 people to these rallies. there has never been -- there's never been anything like what's happening. i went to illinois. a boeing 747, this massive hangar packed. they had to use a second hangar to use for the overflow. >> the president is delivering on exactsly what he said he was going to do if he got elected. he got elected by an overwhelming majority of 63 million americans. >> wow! okay. >> as has been stated that claim is not true. >> not only is it not true, it's an obvious lie. >> from the white house. >> unbelievable. >> president trump was not elected by a majority. nor even a plurality. losing the popular vote by 2.9 million. he lost the popular vote. and the spokesperson for the republican member ever congress
who trump campaigned for in illinois estimated the rally size at around 8,000, a third of the president's claim. >> it's just so ridiculous. it happens all the time. let's talk about the numbers that really matter. willie, obviously the president losing four points this week. not good as you move towards the election. he came off of a brett kavanaugh high and then you saw him reacting the way he did to the pipe bombs. you saw him reacting, joking about his bad hair day after the pittsburgh slaughter. these actions have impacts, if the guy had just used his opportunity to bring the country together. you might have seen those numbers going in the opposite direction. but he's just incapable of doing it. >> the president will be in pittsburgh today, by the way, to help some people in pittsburgh to grieve and mourn after that horrible incident at the synagogue.
is the drop in numbers, is the appearance the house is slipping away from republicans a week from today, is that why we're seeing this ramping up from the president in a last ditch effort to get people to the polls, talking about things like sending 5200 troops, 5200 troops to the united states border when there are already 2000 national guard troops and the border patrol doing its job down there to meet a caravan right now that's 3,500 people and will be many fewer people when it reaches the border in two months. and in an interview with axios he's looking at the positive an executive order to get rid of u.s. birth right citizenship. is this about the mid-terms? >> meeting with republican strategyists in recent days it's clear the pitch to suburban voters by republicans is not really going to happen in the final week of this campaign because democrats have really gained traction on pre-existing conditions and arguing the health care issue across many of
these trump states like wisconsin where governor scott walker is in a tight race for a third term. because of all of that, you have republicans and especially president trump to concussion on issues that motivate the gop base, coming again and again back to immigration, back to grievance politics. >> you know, eugene, it's almost as if the president of the united states is trying to remind voters of all of his worst instincts a week out before the election. and maybe in a trump district withins by 15 points instead of so points. but this last week has been a nightmare for candidates like barbara comstock in virginia. for republicans in california in swing districts that they have to win. again, i don't understand politically how this helps anybody but democratic candidates in suburban districts. >> well, basically writes off
the house, i think. as you said somebody like barbara comstock. every time the president goes there on this wag the dog campaign he's having on demagoguing the immigration issue, you know, comstock is in increasingly diverse suburban washington district. she's trailing in the race. this is probably it for her. it's not going -- so just jettison those vulnerable house members and house republicans and try to keep the senate. i think it's all about trying to hang on to the senate. i think the president and the republicans are much more worried about the senate at this point than they let on. it's all about that. >> but, one of the toughest
senate races is in the state of florida. the president, again, doing this sort of targeted strategy for his most hard core -- he's talking in a way that's getting him praise from david duke. it's probably not going to help him so much in the i-4 corridor. this is, after all, a state -- we think of it being a republican state. this is a state that president obama won twice, this is a state that bill clinton won. still a purple state. how is this nationalist talk and talk of the last week helping rick scott in central florida or south florida? >> i just spent a couple of days reporting in south florida. what i can tell you is that the supporters of president trump repeat and echo the lines that they hear from fox news, this idea these immigrants will be coming here with diseases, this idea that being a nationalist is a good thing and people should be scared about the future of america, the browning of america essentially. there are a lot of people who listen to president trump and
excited by what he says. there's the fact, i did a story about the demographics of florida. florida is a state where young people and newly arrived puerto ricans and people of color turn out democrats will win. they will win the governor's race and senate race. essentially there are people who are looking at this and saying if rick scott is going to be part of this party of president trump and this nationalist talking can't be with that. i would say that i've spent a whole week deep diving into the story there. it was illuminating to see what people say when they are kind of allowed to just kind of run the gamut and talk about how they worry about the future of this country. >> katty kay, we've been talking about nationalism, not only the united states but also in europe. here we are, we are sitting here talking about donald trump's nationalist -- david duke who say white nationalist strategy
at the end of october 2018. unlike europe our demographic history is such that we know that there is going to be a browning of america. we know that this strategy is going to destroy republicans sooner rather than later, if not in this election, in future elections and we also know that this talk about economic anxiety doesn't wash because we have unemployment under 4% in america. the economy is doing about as well as it's done in a long time thanks to a recovery that went for seven years under barack obama and has continued even after barack obama left office. wow, he did a great job. so, doesn't it seem incredibly short sighted for republicans to, to adopt this sort of strategy, this other strategy when it could actually keep them out of office for a generation.
>> here's the odd thing. what's the one economic problem that america faces at the moment to a manufacturer. they will tell you a lack of labor. and that the president's immigration policies are hurting them. we got a long term talent shortage in this country. fewer babies are being born. we actually need more immigrants coming in to the united states to fulfill these jobs that are being created. this all came up after the 2012 election when the republican party looked at the demographics, looked at the fact that in about 2044 america becomes a minority white country and they realize they had to reach out to minority voters and in particular reaching out to hispanics. that's not what donald trump believes. he's not interested in 2044. he's interested in his presidency and interested in having his presidency validated particularly by the prospect of these mid-terms and having republicans win and in 2020 getting himself re-elected. if he has to do things that hurt the party 10, 20 years down the
road he's prepared to do that in order to get himself on the ticket. >> gene your latest piece in "the washington post" is entitled "don't tell me both sides need to do better." you write this. only the right to blame. starting with president trump and his complicit enablers in the republican party. divert, deflekts, attack. drive the wedge deeper. this is what trump does. it's the only thing he knows how to do. and the damage he's inflicting will not be easily repaired. from the first day of his presidential campaign trump has whipped up anti-imgrant fervor and stoked racial animus. by obliterating normal boundaries of political speech
he has opened space for unapologetic advocates of white supremacy. republicans who remain silent deserve to be swept out of office. i can't agree with you more in terms of the ugliness and the lack ever humanity that's been shown in this presidency. but i do wonder what the soul searching is that democrats will need to do if it's a mixed bag during these mid-terms. i mean we're in pretty divided times with pretty clear lines between right and wrong and if we have a mixed bag in terms of the democrats winning, my side, i'm concerned that we need to do much deeper soul searching moving ahead. >> we need to do soul searching, you're absolutely right. no one can contend that the democratic party is perfect, and
indeed if democrats win next tuesday they are going to have a lot of work to do. both internally and for the country. that said, last week we had actually three terrible acts of political terrorism. in kentucky a man shot two african-americans at random after trying to get into an african-american church. and presumably shoot it up. and then we had the arrest of the mail bomber who has, you know, had trump stickers all over his van. then we had just the atrocity, the horror of pittsburgh on saturday. and those three incidents have in common that they spring from this paranoid, white nationalist
vision, dystopian vision coming from one side not coming from the other side. so to look at what happened, the aufrl thin awful things that happened in the last week to say bolt sides need to do better. in that context you can say yeah but this, no. this is coming from one place and being propelled by one man, i'm sad to say. >> bob costa, as you talk to republicans on the hill, and in the administration behind-the-scenes, what's the feeling, what's their attitude about next week? do they think the house is gone? do they think the senate is secure? what are republican leaders on both sides of pennsylvania avenue telling you >> buy the ticket, take the ride. they bought the ticket with
president trump. they wish they could be talking about the tax cut. they wish they could be talking about different regulatory issues, running a normal republican campaign. even the least self-aware republicans you talk to know they are in the trump train and they have to ride along. this is something they have reconciled. if you accept you're staying in this republican party then you need his political capital to rally your own voters whether it's in a suburban congressional district or in a statewide senate contest. >> you talk about a congressional district. barbara comstock, for instance, i talk about her. i can talk about 35, 40 more. i know barbara. barbara comstock, she's what happened over the past week, week and a half, it's horrifying people in her district. not only suburban housewives. suburban men and women in that district, obviously, are going to be turned off by the president's words in the past
week. how in the world does somebody like barbara comstock survive the events? how in the world do people in districts where hillary won, republicans survive the president's reaction to the bombs? >> they are politically cornered. even if they don't like president trump they are aligned with house speaker paul ryan and other republican leaders who are aligned with president trump. what they are banking on when you talk to them is that the economy will help them survive. that people will look past the tweets, look past the the racially charged language, look past the scandals and say well the economy is solid and we got a supreme court justice. we actually got two. that could be enough. that's more of a gut feeling from vulnerable republicans than any dined of data-driven facts. >> these declarations from the president, 5200 troops to the border, news from axios he's carcinogenic of getting rid of birth right citizenship.
it's what you said earlier the democrats will take back conglomerate of the house. if they do that, what does our government look like with democrats at the head of the intel committee, democrats with subpoena power, democrats who want to talk, some of them, not all of them about impeachment. >> my fear is democrats will overreach. sometimes just take the victory and i think what people want is to see a stable governing majority, people who are mature and can govern. that would be a stark contrasts as it is. but i think last week more than any other thing, what i'm shocked about is president's approval rating dropped only four points. when you get on a national stage as president and you declare yourself nationalist you should drop 24 points overnight. i encourage every american to read the history of the third reich which nationalism leads to. to have the president declare himself a nationalist in the same week we have these hate
crimes is shocking he would drop just four points. the other thing the president did that accounts for that drop think about all the victims last week and the president did it again. he made himself the biggest victim last week. complaining about the news coverage and all the bad news and the terrible way that he's treated. bill clinton, for all i could say about bill clinton that i didn't like, after oklahoma city, bill clinton became president. if you remember that period of time he had a terrible two years up until that moment and he seized that horrific moment and actually gynecologist his footing and became president. president trump could have done that. he didn't do it. he failed the test of leadership. >> that tweet of last week the president said bombings and attention were merely distract ing republicans. how is the white house feeling right now? do they know this is coming,
this democratic train is coming? do they accept they may lose the house and hope to protect the senate? where is the president focusing his efforts. >> the president is in some ways worried about what the future of the party, republican control is going to be. that's why you've seen him say if we lose the house it's not our fault. you see him ending birth right citizenship he wants to get people to talk about who deserves to be an american. i would encourage people to go back into history and think about how america became americans. there were italians, germans, they became white americans. because of that you have this group of people that i talked to in the last couple of weeks who think as though they have this hold on this country and that they deserve to be part of this country not other people. i was assisting around a table with retirees. they were older, white retirees. one of them said why should puerto ricans get to vote. why should we allow people come
in to our country. puerto ricans are americans. a lot of people look at the president and are excited by him and that says something about where we are as americans. >> it certainly does. thank you all. still ahead on "morning joe," deposition are sorting through prospective candidates for the 2020 presidential campaign. among them -- >> do you want to run again? >> no. no. >> there was a pause. >> well i would like to be president. i'm not going to even think about it until we get through this november 6th election. >> we'll ask senator chris cooms about that. you're watching "morning joe". we'll be right back. s
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the word nationalism has taken on for the left this connotation of feeling anti-semitism, hate, even violence. do you think that is fair, and do you want to further clarify what nationalism means to you? >> no. to me means i don't have to clarify. it means i love the country. i'm fighting for the country. i look at two things being globalists and nationalists. i want to take care of our country. our leaders have been more worried about the world than the united states and they leave us in a mess. >> of course, anybody that has followed politics for more than five minutes know globalists, the way it's used and the way it is used in far-right, it pertains to jews. it's an anti-semitic smear, and you also, though, nationalists,
donald trump was asked a question said, people on the left, have you noticed people on the left are using nationalists to suggest, you know, something racist. well it's not the left, as we explained last hour, it's actually the far-right, the alt-right. david duke, of course, after he said that, said trump embraces nationalism in a jam packed 99.9% white venue. zio journalists asked him if this is white nationalism. of course fundamentally it is. >> so, i didn't see the question where she confronted him about this. maybe read that to him and then he would reject it. >> it's fascinating. she asked him a question where she knows david duke came out and congratulated him and then trying to pin that on left wing journalists. i don't think david duke writes for the nation.
i think david duke is a former klansman and a white nationalist. but, richard, let's move beyond the raceism, the overt racism and let's go straight to policy here. we talked about angela merkel's problems in germany. she's not running for re-election. that changes the political map in europe in dramatic ways. but talk about donald trump's use of the world nationalist to define himself and the policy implications. and also i think some of the policy inconsistencies that it brings up. >> we'll put aside all these words, nationalist and globalist. two things. one is if he really wants to make america great again how is he going to do it in a world that's unraveling. this idea we can ignore the world and focus at home it doesn't work that way.
the united states can't build a giant moat around itself and isolate itself from the effects of a world that's unrafrling and the world is unrafrling. what we just saw in germany and brazil will add to it. second of all the idea you can poor the state of american public schools or laguardia airport or jfk is bad and we don't have a high-speed railroad in this country. the fact we've run up an enormous debt blame that on what we're doing on the world. no. it's the dysfunctional problem of our politics. this will lead americans to turn their backs on the fact that the world just doesn't organize itself. we got to take a large role. we've benefitted from it. as we embrace this really dangerous idea of america first, not only will we be america alone we'll be america last. this is going to be really dangerous and bad for us.
that's the disconnect of donald trump's foreign policy. >> we'll be america isolated and i've always, i've always been -- let's bring in senator chris coombs, you know senator, i've always been dumb struck by those that attacked the marshal plan and attacked the united states investing in other countries, to try to build democracies across the globe as if we're suckers when in fact we build those democracies which build trading partners for us which have made over the past 60, 70 years, let me say it again, america -- has made america the most powerful economic engine in the history of mankind and it happened because exactly what we did. we saved western europe from socialism and communism and we built these huge trading partners across asia by
investing and rebuilding those economies. >> that's right, joe. on the wreckage of the second world war when the united states stood astride the globe we were the only nuclear power, we had 90% of the world's manufacturing capability. rather than imposing ourselves on the world in a colonial way we invested massively in rebuilding japan and western europe and as a result we got lots of allies and partners, countries that were reshaped in a way that reflected our values and priorities and for decades we have benefitted from germany and japan being revitalized partners of ours, countries that now share our democratic values, nato and eu are not as the president has repeatedly said playing us for suckers but our organizations that we designed and help build in ways that both help secure peace and grow our markets well into today.
>> senator this is willie geist. the president announced 5200 troops will head to the southern border at mexico to stem this caravan which is currently about two months away by most estimates as they walk north. 3,500 people now estimated to be many fewer when it arrives at the border. what's your take on the idea of sending that many troops to the border to confront this. >> that's as many troops as we have deployed in the fight against isis. i'll tell you it is not the right comparison and this is an attempt to distract us from the votes that are to be cast just a week from today in our election. we do need strong borders. we do need to have a fix for our broken immigration system. but declaring a national emergency based own a slow moving group of women and children fleeing violence in central america and stoking that
fear by sending hundreds of our troops to the border whereby law they can't do much is an attempt to distract us from what is the real threat that millions ever americans will lose access to health care if the republicans retain control of the house and the senate and are able to move ahead with another attempt to repeal the protections of the affordable care act. there are things that concern working americans like losing access to health care. fixing our immigration system is something the president could have done had he chosen to when a bipartisan group of us presented him with a real solution but he didn't want that. what he wanted was an election issue and that's what he's turning this into. >> are you surprised, senator, that defense secretary mattis went along with this plan given his long record of service and respect he has for troops that he signed off on the 5200 to the border? >> we don't know what the
internal deliberations were. i would have expected the secretary to say this is a massive over response and the border patrol will handle 500 exhausted individuals who may arrive on foot at our border weeks from now. i would have expected him to push back on that. but in the end i would expect the defense secretary to follow the president's orders and if he had ordered this, i'm not surprised he's followed it. >> senator, what's the democratic strategy if this is going to be the president's pitch for the last refer manger week of this mid-term campaign when he's going to talk about birth right issues and sending troops to the border, is there a democratic response on immigration specifically that's perhaps more powerful or to change the to pi topic and talk health care. >> the president is spraegd
falsehood that democrats believe in open borders. nothing could be further from the truth. we voted for and co-sponsored bills in the senate that would invest significantly in new border security. the president rejected that. and i think he's driving a false narrative on immigration. we do tend to change the subject to the extent to which immigrants have helped america, have helped grow our economy and have helped create opportunity for all of us. what i'm hearing up and down my state here in delaware and as i've gone and campaigned in other states the level of anxiety and concern about losing health care. that really is driving people to the polls. so if i got a closing message this week it's to urge people to pray, to be concerned, but to act. to get up off their couches to stop texting and tweeting and to go vote and the end of the day i think if people vote their hopes and their concerns they will vote democrat. >> it wasn't that long ago we
were talking about saudi arabia and the apparent murder of jamal khashoggi in istanbul. what do you see you and your colleagues doing about saudi arabia when you come back into session and in particular do you think there will be a serious bipartisan movement to either limit arm sales to saudi arabia or how they can be used in yemen? >> yes, i do. and as you know well, richard, 20 of us, 20 senators and equal number of republicans and democrats scents a letter to president trump when it became clear that the saudis were lying and that it was likely there had been a premeditated abduction, torture and killing of an american resident journalist writing for an american paper. we sent a letter to the president triggering the global act which requires him to conduct an investigation and either impose sanctions on those responsible for this human rights violation or explain why he won't act.
if the president continues to put alleged arm seams ahead of free speech and protection of journalists you'll see bipartisan action to rein in support for the saudi war in yemen and force a reconsideration of our relationship with the saudi kingdom. >> senator chris coombs, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. still ahead there's a number of local and regional issues that will play out in the mid-terms next week. but "the new yorker" says above all this election is a referendum on donald trump and he joins us ahead with that. "morning joe" will be right back.
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synagogue shooting. matt drudge tweeted, a segment on fox news this morning where hosts laughed and joked their way through a discussion on political impact of terror was bizarre. not even 48 hours since blood flowed at synagogue, check your soul in the makeup chair. he went on to tweet, is it really funny with a screen shot of smiling fox business host, he followed that with a series ever screen shots showing other panel members with big smiles on their faces, and he wrote the text, hysterical. >> so interesting because matt drudge rarely tweets, and he certainly doesn't usually get involved in this sort of way. but you look yesterday, mika, at the people we had on the show, you look what rip tyler just said today. there are a lot of republicans, a lot of former republicans, a
lot of people that would have all been on the same side supporting ronald reagan, george w. bush, mitt romney. the past 48 hours so many republicans that have just been absolutely shocked by not only the president's reaction to all of this but also fox news' reaction to all of this, putting conspiracy theories out there with lou dobbs talking yesterday. i still can't believe they did this, about smallpox, fox news saying the shrinking caravan that won't make it up to the united states most likely, they are bringing small box and leprosy. again, i'm sorry, this is straight out of a playbook of some of the most tyrannical regimes in the 20th century. there's no excusing this when a
president does it, when a news network does it, when back benchers in congress do it. it's absolutely despicable. matt drudge called it out yesterday. >> he did. taking on one's party or own side is far and few between. we know about facebook's problems of keeping real fake news off its platform. what about facebook's other problem. hyper partisanship. we'll talk about that. "morning joe" is coming right back.
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kind of lived and died by ginning up their partisanship. it was also they're terrible people and we're the best. the facebook pages were getting tremendous engagement. >> the development of these hyper partisan sites, i think turned the comments into this trash fire. there's some kind of parable in that for the broader effects of facebook that the very things that divide us most cause the most engagement. which means they go to the top of the news feed, which means the most people see them. >> that is a new look at the frontline documentary "the facebook dilemma." there are billions on the social media site. it has an outsized influence over the political conversation.
james, let me begin with you. i know you talked to a bunch of former employees of fbi. were they ignorant of the problem that they had on their hands, or were they willing to look the other way because the company was growing so fast? >> the former employees that we spoke to, especially those that were there during the 2016 election, they were aware of the fact that these pages were proliferating on facebook and basically spewing out a lot of hyper partisan news articles, false news articles and things like that. interestingly they told us basically they didn't see it as anything different than mirroring the media environment in general that's gone to extremes. they really at that point in time weren't thinking it's their
responsibility to monitor or basically moderate that content online. >> but james, the cable news environment, the internet environment was extreme well before 2016. let's go back to 2012. facebook played an oversized role in the reelection of barack obama in 2012. you didn't have the extremes there despite the fact you had cable news hosts back then saying that barack obama was a racist and wasn't even born in this country. so what happened in four years at facebook? >> i think a number of things happened. one is that news organizations actually started to publish on facebook, which in some ways legitimized facebook as a place for the majority of american voters to get their news. the news feed on facebook became one of the main information sources. so that legitimizizatiolegitimi
that really wasn't going on back in 2012. that's a much more recent development. >> as facebook has been sort of smacked in the face about this after the 2016 election and been publicly condemned, called before congress and everything else, what's changed fundamentally at facebook about the way they present news? >> well, they're grappling basically inside the company. there is a misinformation team for instance that's trying to figure out how to suppress false narratives on facebook. and there also is a lot of -- they call it an ongoing discussion with the news industry itself about whether they're going to promote or verify certain news organizations as verified news
organizations. what does that actually mean, do we want a company with that size and power to be saying who should have a verified voice online or not. so they're kind of grappling with all these issues that probably should have been thought about earlier, but they're now dealing with it at the moment. >> when we talk about fake news in the context of facebook, it's not the fake news that trump is talking about when he talks about mainstream media. it's actually made-up stories like the pope has endorsed donald trump. the pope didn't endorse anybody in the 2016 election, but that story catches fire and is viewed as truth by a lot of people. >> one of the problems that we saw after the 2016 election is that there were actual russian intelligence officers who were making up fake stories and posting them on facebook and using them to recruit supporters to donald trump. this is an extremely difficult problem. i don't think it's just a facebook problem.
there's a twitter problem and there is the question of what the next website will be. we just saw gab taken down over the weekend by its internet hosting provider. facebook has not grappled with the fact that this is moving so quickly. the problem they have they don't want to be a sens censor. if they continue to be a host for things that are completely undermining lene inine ining le discourse, at some point congress is going to have to step in and regulate them in a way that they're not now. >> that's my biggest worry, that congress is going to act to
censor speech. there are things on the internet and facebook that aren't true. it's a huge problem. do we want government to get onto facebook? it's a private company. if they want to censor their company, they can do that. getting the government to look at things people post and say what can go out, that's dangerous stuff. >> it's dangerous already. you've had problems with twitter already doing that. it's a big conversation to have. thank you. the facebook dilemma continues tonight on pbs. still ahead, president trump says he's eyeing a plan to end birthright citizenship by executive order. congress may have something to say about that. hevy won a j.d.p dependability award for its midsize car-the chevy malibu. i forgot.
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still, tell me the how. are you going to have a massive deportation force? >> you're going to have a deportation force and you're going to do it humanely. >> what about applying for asylum? >> we're going to hold them. we're going to put tents up all over the place. we're not going to build structures and spend hundreds of millions of dollars. we're going to have tents. they're going to be very nice. >> very nice tents, you know, kind of like summer camp. remember that? president trump is now deploying the american military to the border. roughly 470 troops for every one migra migrant. the president night not think that cynical nativist move is enough obvious red meat for his base a week before the midterm
election. welcome to "morning joe." it is tuesday, october 30th. along with joe, willie and me, we have the president of the council on foreign relations and author of the becomeook "a worl disarray" richard hofs. editor in chief of atlantic magazine jeffrey goldberg. >> tonight it something that every president, every campaign-thecampaign will have their closing arguments. you can go back and whether it was barack obama, ronald reagan, whoever was running for president, they always had and their parties always had their closing argument, this is why you should reelect us, this is our message, this is who we are. in normal times the republicans would use that tax cut that they
passed. that was supposed to be their closing argument, or perhaps the supreme court justices or perhaps donald trump bragging about remaking the judiciary, of course, lying saying he's appointed more judges since any other president since george washington. you could go down the line of things you would expect this president to use as his closing argument. but what donald trump and what the republican party that has now been completely taken over by donald trump is using is racism. you see it in donald trump saying he's going to circumvent the constitution with an executive order. he can't do that. he knows he can't. he's hoping there are enough stupid voters out there that don't understand he can't do that. you have people on right wing talk radio and right wing tv talking about the smallpox. oh, migrants are going to bring in smallpox and other diseases.
you have the most outrageous claims, the president talking about tent cities. and get this, james mattis couldn't even talk donald trump at first into keeping enough troops in syria to defeat and finish isis and to push back iran. couldn't talk him into doing that, and yet he's sending 5,000 troops down to the border when that's not what our troops need to do. our troops need to be home with their families in between all of these tours. because my god, these people are over a thousand miles away. they probably aren't even going to get to the border. if it's anything like last time, maybe 12 or 13 will be arrested. it's not about anything other than scaring americans and appealing to their most racist
base instincts. if it works, god help us all. i don't think it will. we've got a new poll that shows donald trump's approval ratings dropping which is not a surprise given his dreadful performance over the last week. >> the pentagon announced it will deploy 5200 additional troops to the southern border by the end of this week in response to a caravan of migrants from central america. >> that aren't coming actually, in response to nothing. >> it's incredible. the announcement marks the largest quick deployment of active duty troops since the response to the 2010 earthquake in haiti, former officials told "wall street journal." the troops, a mix of active duty, reserve and national guard forces will join more than 2,000 national guard members already at the u.s./mexico border, exceeding the combined u.s. military footprint in iraq and syria. just take a second and think
about that. >> absolutely insane. they're going to be staring across the border at nothing. >> at dirt. >> and they are doing it, i guarantee you, mika, the day after the election they're going to start talking about pulling them back. if anybody ever gets down there, they will be pulled back because this is an election ploy. and it's a pathetic one because now donald trump is playing with the lives of the men and women of the u.s. military. >> at a time when we've had a terrorist attack on our democracy and on top democrats and trump critics. the top u.s. border security official estimates the size of the original caravan at 3500 people. trump tweeted yesterday, many gang members and some very bad people are mixed into the caravan heading for our southern
border. please go back. you will not be admitted into the united states. this is an invasion of our country. >> this is such a lie. again, how stupid does he think voters are? you know, it's worse than that, because he's not only talking about the military. as we've already mentioned, yesterday we saw some people on fox news actually seizing on the issue of this phony caravan using dehumanizing language, trying to underscore their point in a way that really sort of sounded like certain regimes in the 20th century that we don't even want to bring up. take a listen. >> what about diseases? there's a reason why you can't bring a kid to school unless he's inoculated. >> they're coming in with diseases such as smallpox and lep ro
leprosy and tb. >> the national debt is exploding. we have diseases spreading across the country that are calling polio-like paralysis of our children. it's one thing after the other. >> you can't very well blame that disease on the illegal immigrants. we don't know the cause of it. >> you're kidding me. >> i mean, willie, this is dumbfounding. fox news is now claiming that these migrants are so devious that they have the power to bring smallpox back to planet earth. i've just got to ask how stupid do they think we are. and then i think about sarah sanders yesterday talking about donald trump winning by a massive majority of 63 million
voters. and suddenly you realize just how stupid they think their base is. >> it's all very insulting. the last known case of smallpox -- we've just had the 41st anniversary. a hospital cook in somalia was the last known case of smallpox. it was eradicated in 1980. as we talk about this and we talk about the troops, for a man who talks about how much he loves the military, he sure hasn't shown them much respect here by sending 5200 of them to the border in a place where there is already 2,000 national guard troops and the border patrol. does the president not have faith in the border patrol? they have weapons, they have black hawk helicopters.
they can control 3200 people now and it will likely be less than that when and if it reaches the border, on foot, walking about 20 miles a day if they're lucky. it's disrespectful to the troops that he's sending down there. >> it is. we've been saying this for some time. again, if you look back to the april caravan when there was so much fear and anger whipped up, it ended up arresting 12 people who tried to cross illegally. if you just take recent history, they're suggesting that 12 people trying to come to america getting arrested is going to relaunch an epidemic that hasn't been around since 1980. again, it is a concerted effort from donald trump, his administration and fox news to whip up a frenzy. and now they're talking about smallpox. >> yeah. they're not only talking about smallpox. i note for the record that they're talking leprosy.
i think they're trying to trigger religious people to think that the so-called caravan is bringing biblical sized plagues to america. i mean, it's not unclever. it's built on falsehoods obviously but it's not an unclever play. this issue is really remarkable. i sometimes feel like we're in a movie about a cynical political manipulator who's doing whatever he has to do to get through the midterms. the truth at the border is a, it is well-defended and well-guarded. millions of people cross that border every week legally, some illegally. this caravan is a nothing burger. but it's very, very useful right
now. >> i actually have seen this movie before. mike judge did it. it's called idiocracy. they think their base, they think that republicans are so stupid that they are going to believe all of this. you know what, though? not everybody at fox news would have been allowed to star in mike judge's film, because shep smith, once again, told the truth as shep smith always seems to tell the truth about this so-called fantasy caravan. take a look. >> tomorrow, the migrants according to fox news reporting are more than two months away if any of them actually come here. but tomorrow is one week before the midterm election, which is what all of this is about.
there is no invasion. no one's coming to get you. there's nothing at all to worry about. when they did this to us, got us all riled up in april, remember, the result was 14 arrests. we're america. we can handle it.mika, i have t you. hotty, totty. the people at ole miss have to be proud of shep smith. while people are spewing b.s. all around him, lying, je -- jey goldberg, he's talking about the bible. obviously the people that are hearing this don't read the bible that much if they believe it, because the whole new testament, you look at the story the good samaritan, you look at matthew 25, which of course somebody tried reading to jeff sessions and he had them arrested. i mean, that's where we are
right now. a guy tried to read one of the most important scriptures in the entire bible, jesus's message on how you enter the kingdom of heaven. and for doing that, jeff sessions had police officers coming in and arresting him. no, no, there is nothing christ-like about anything that we're seeing here. but i tell you shep smith right there, he told the truth and i know a lot of people in mississippi have to be proud of him. still ahead on "morning joe," some of president trump's ideas seem to come out of nowhere. others, he's been stewing over for months. where does his idea to single-handedly change the constitution fall in that spectrum. if you want a car from a company that's been building them for 115 years, get a ford. if you want a car with driver-assist technology,
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joe." president trump has seemingly discovered a wonderful new way around congress, simply revising the constitution by executive order. here's what he said at the white house. >> on immigration, some legal scholars believe you can get rid of birthright citizenship without changing the constitution. >> with executive order. >> exactly. have you thought about that? >> yes. >> tell me more. >> it was always believed you needed a constitutional amendment. number one, you don't need thanch. >> that's very much in dispute. >> you can definitely do it with an act of congress, but now they're sayi ining i can do it with an executive order. it's ridiculous and it had to end. >> have you talked with that
with counsel? >> yes, i have. it's in the process. i don't think anybody knew that but me. i thought i was the only one. >> my god. >> mr. president, i know that sometimes your memory is little eh. you talked about this before. i think you talked about this in 2017, laughed off the national stage. you can't change the constitution with an executive order. this is ridiculous. >> as we watch this flailing last gasp race to the finish line with racism sirens ringing loudly, did you see when you and jonathan swan were talking to the president -- it almost seemed like -- and i'd wonder if
you'd concur because you were in the room -- that he was making stuff up as he went along. >> i actually think it's the opposite. i think he's been thinking about this for several weeks. he's been talking to lawyers internally and externally. i think even the stuff he sees on fox news, i think he believes it. i think there's parts of it that he actually thinks this is happening, that you need 5200 troops and he does have the power to use an executive order to get rid of birthright citizenship. he feels very proud of this, seemed very certain of it. the interview was fascinating. it will be on sunday. it turned into a very, very tense argument about a lot of things that he's saying and doing. the guy just believes it. like yes, part of it's for show, but part of it you can see in his eyes this is his heart. it does not feel like he has an obligation to bring anything
down, any temperature down. he feels very passionately about these things that he's doing and it looks like he'll try to proceed with this. most lawyers that we talk to don't think you could do this. there is the 14th amid that time s -- amendment that says if you're born in the united states you are a citizen of the united states. on immigration, this is one of the topics he's been fairly consistent on. i think he's getting a harder edge on it as you get near the election. they're months away. by the time they get here, there might be 20 people. we might have 5200 people backing the border security that's already there. we already have a pretty secure southern border for all this nonsense, it's a pretty fortified border. sure, there's people that
occasionally get through, but now you're going to have three lines of defense for a couple of men, women, kids and pickup trucks. coming up on "morning joe," the latest from two big battlegrounds for the u.s. senate, texas and arizona. there are new poll numbers from both states. steve kornacki is here to break it all down. "morning joe" is coming right back.
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joining us now, national correspondent for msnbc news steve kornacki. and rick tyler. we are one week away from the midterm elections. president trump's multistate ga campaign swing will not bring him to arizona, though. new numbers in that state's u.s. senate race show the democrat doubling her lead from last month with 50% of the vote, a six-point lead over the republican congresswoman martha
mcsally. mcsally's vote percentage lines up with president trump's approval rating in the state, 44% according to the poll. 49% disapprove. >> i think that number right there is the key to have trump's approval at 44%. as goes trump's approval ratings, so goes the fortunes of republican candidates. republicans were hopeful that the past few weeks in terms of sort of opposition research that had emerged about sinema, all sorts of comments she made in the past five years where she had made some controversial statements about her state. they thought that was going to erode her standing in the state. in this poll, the personal rating for the candidates sinema ahead by six points here. this is a very encouraging poll
for democrats. >> like tiyou see these numbers and they move pretty quickly, but there was that moment and it's, as you know, better than all of us because you've been in the middle of it. you can have a moment that defines a campaign here. we're talking about health care and as she's being bombarded with questions about opposing preexisting conditions and she is being bombarded by questions from the press about her own people on obamacare, she says, come on, come on, why don't we talk about an issue that's important to people, why don't we talk about the caravan. man, that is one of those moments that looking back if they don't win this campaign, they're going to want that moment back. that's where she told arizona voters she believed a phony story about a caravan was more important than the real story
about health care in arizona. >> in any election, talking about health care as if it's not an important issue is really ridiculous, especially now. in the final week these races start to tighten up. it's hard to overcome the momentum. i think republicans really did have a bad week. the democratic message is about trump. to me it's not a coincidence that his approval ratings in arizona, which is a state that he's not very popular. arizona loved john mccain and donald trump not so much. that seat looks like a likely pickup for democrats. >> in texas ted cruz has a lead in the quinnipiac poll, 51-46% for congressman beto o'rourke. what's the movement here, steve? >> there's a question of if
there is significant movement or not. this does continue the trend of essentially every laby poll has had ted cruz ahead. in this race, democrats are counting on this idea of -- one thing i think they're encouraged by is that there's been a surge of interest among latino voters in the midterm elections. they're hoping that translates into a boost of a couple points for them. ted cruz continues -- in texas republicans tend to do fairly well compared to how they do nationally with the latino vote and cruz getting between 35-40% of the latino vote. that's one of those areas where democrats hope that down the stretch there's been a spike of interest among latino voters that could boost them in states like this. >> that is absolutely so
critical. i was reading an article and they say that democrats only have about a 1 in 6 chance of taking back the senate, but about an 80% chance of taking back the house. does that sound right to you? >> i think this election is going to be really a mixed bag. i think there will be a lot for both sides to brag about. it seems to me that democrats will probably pick up the house. all the conventional metrics, the way we measure off your elections, people are spooked because donald trump won and no one predicted that. it was very hard to look at that race and the electoral college and believe that donald trump would win. he ran the table and he won and that's that. in an off year election there is no electoral college. he can go back to the favorability, the right track
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week away. while president trump is not on the ballot, he's certainly campaigning like he is. our next guest says that will play a big role at the polls. joining us the editor of the new yorker magazine david remnick who argued in a new piece in this week's issue that the midterm elections are a referendum on donald trump. rick tyler and matt miller are both back with us as well. >> david, thank you so much for being with us. talk about your piece and talk about what may help in some bright red districts may actually hurt republicans' chances in purple to blue districts. >> i think that mika is right in the sense that she keeps banging away at the fact that a lot of democrats don't have a hell of a lot of ideas to offer their electorate. they're concentrating over and over again on donald trump. but on the other hand, it's unavoidable.
it's unavoidable to a great measure because donald trump is undermining so many root beliefs, so many moral understandings that the american people would seem to share and has exacerbated things and has spoiled the climate that you could almost say that he's responsible for climate change of a certain kind, moral climate change. not only has he rolled back the paris agreements, which is really one of our only chances at preserving this planet, he's also fouled the moral air for america. he has undermined understandings of basic foreign policy, our alliances abroad. he's encouraged auto ccrats fro europe to brazil to asia. it's understandable that a lot of democratic candidates are focused on the defensive rear guard action of preserving certain basic moral and political understandings of american politics and american
life. >> so then the question is, is the message we're preserving our democracy? or are we going to be fighting for ideas that the democratic party is worried about you and your economy and your life? >> that's an idea. >> i know it's an idea. but it's an epic conundrum that we're in because we have a president who in some ways nobody saw coming. as a result, he has all of this time to devalue the truth, to rip up the underbelly of racism in this country, to devalue people in realtime, to push norms to an extent where we are watching things happen that would never be accepted in america, and yet they're happening from the podium of the presidency. it's almost like democrats have lost time because they just could not believe -- including hillary clinton -- could not believe that he could win.
>> those very values have to be fought for on a daily basis, whether it's in the press, whether it's in civic life, whether it's on the campaign trail. it's in everybody's lives. this is an emergency. the trump presidency represents an emergency. i can't emphasize that enough. >> i agree. >> it's been that since day one. from the day that sean spicer went out and told the american people don't believe your lyin' eyes, this is the biggest crowd in the history of inaugurations. from the day the trump presidency set out to assault our understanding of immigration and kindness and decency and truth, that represents an emergency in american life. from the day that the american president made common cause with vladimir putin or the saudi royal family or all the autocrats around the world and
diminished the stature of european allies, that represents an emergency and that need to be treated like an emergency. >> yes, yes, and yes. >> there are policy decisions having to do with the future of our financial well-being that have to be paid attention to. there's so much to deal with because of the trump presidency that i don't think any candidate on a daily basis can satisfy what you're talking about. there are candidates whether it's stacey abrams in georgia who represent real promise for the democratic party. but i agree with you in the sense that overall the democratic party needs greater coherence and it certainly need people at the top when it comes to the presidential race to emerge much more coherently than they have because that hasn't happened yet. >> david, you're so right about how abhorrent this presidency has been from day one. >> it's painful to admit it. >> you could even start with the
inaugural speech, the very first day sean spicer going outlying about the crowd size, the very first weekend they started their plans for the so-called muslim ban. that has continued forward. i've noticed the past couple of days republicans and former republicans becoming even more strident in their concerns on this show. charlie sykes, rick wilson, rick tyler saying that when the president declared himself a nationalist, his poll numbers shouldn't drop by four, they should drop by 24 points. and george conway, kellyanne conway's husband. you can go down the list -- >> a lot of these people are outside the party or headed toward retirement or have given up the a lot of republicans have come to the conclusion that, in fact, william f. buckley did not drive
anti-semitism and hatred out of the republican party. a lot of these lurking problems ever since the mid '60s and the republican party's movement, a lot of these things have been amplified by the internet, have been given a home. and the president of the united states of america now encourages division, hatred and exploiting this for purely electoral means. >> which i was going to get to the second part of that. but 90% of republicans still support a president who is claiming, just like fox news, that this phantom invasion of migrants is going to bring smallpox and leprosy. it is a pure out and out appeal to racism. and 90% of the trump republican party is supporting it. >> i would ask you to contrast
barack obama's reaction to the killings in south carolina to donald trump's reaction to pipe bombs in the mail and the killings that we've just seen in pittsburgh. character matters, moral foundation in a human being and a politician matters. it never matters as much as when that person is a leader, a leader of an entire nation. what we see now is a nation led by somebody who is at best a moral vacuum and at worst a really pernicious moral influence on millions of people. and sometimes people can be too easily led and we've seen this throughout history. and to just dismiss him as a reality tv president is far too easy and not taking the situation seriously enough. he is a terrible influence on people. and if people are crazy enough or unstable enough, awful things can happen.
>> you know, willie, yes, actions do matter. you know what else we have found unfortunately over the past couple of weeks that we knowmat. when donald trump attacks cnn constantly, when he calls the press enemies of the people constantly, when he attacks george soros, when republican back benchers say that george soros is funding this caravan -- you know where i'm going. i could go down the laundry list. these words, these attacks, these hateful remarks, they get people who are unbalanced, they get them out and we've seen over the past week the results of that. >> yeah. i was thinking over the course of this week about how words always have been so cheap to donald trump. i'm going back to when he was a real estate developer and a tv show host. he'd say i've got the number one show on television.
no, you don't, you're number 23. it didn't really matter then. now the stakes are so much higher. i thought it was a week ago he had the most telling quote perhaps of his administration so far when he was asked as he went out to campaign with ted cruz, do you regret saying ted cruz's father helped in the assassination. he said, i don't regret it. it turned out very nicely for me. in other words, the ends always justify the means. whatever you have to say and whatever the consequences are, it doesn't matter because you're getting what you want in the end. >> as americans we're too confident in our own stability. we don't take seriously enough the fragility of institutions. when i lived in moscow, you began to see this nationalist movement percolate in the early fragile days of semi democracy. you know who the great enemy of the nationalist right wing was?
george soros. and i would go see these people all the time. the editor of a newspaper called "the day" and something called "tomorrow" and there would be anti-semitic character katuaric front page of his newspaper all the time. we are too confident for all kinds of reasons in american luckiness, in american exceptionali exceptionalism, in american stability. that's why this represents an emergency in my mind, because this shatters our illusions, or it should. and we should take these warning signs, these percolations of hatred, these instances of terrible violence as warnings about where we are going as a country and who we're head by. >> wow. >> matt miller, what david just
so eloquently laid out has been at the heart of the debate between mika and myself over the past two years. she has seen me as being far too confident in the strength of madisonian democracy, the strength of the institutions, the strength of people to hold up against a tyrant or a would be tyrant. mika certainly agrees with david, as she always does. these two, they're inseparable, intellectually and identity logicaldg when i saw donald trump in the middle of pure racially motivated attacks, i must say that fragility that david spoke of, that mika's been speaking of, i felt it much more acutely. i will not lie.
i watched a lot more baseball this year for a reason, because this is sickening if you really stop to think about 47% of americans last week actually approving of the job the racist in chief has been actually perfo performing when he plays to the lowest common denominator. >> i think the point david makes about the assault on our institutions has always worried me the most. in trying to attack the justice department and the free press, he is doing everything he can to undermine anyone who would be a neutral arbiter of truth. you talk about this national emergency we're in. i think we have been in a national emergency since day one. it's very hard for americans to focus on that. the thing that worries me most is let's say republicans don't do very well at the polls next
week. let's say democrats take back congress. let's say the economy finally starts to tail off. what does president trump look like then? the demonization institutions? when he's done all that when things have been going well for his presidency, his back is really against the wall what does he look like then and how do our institutions survive and react to that. >> all right, matt miller, thank you. david roenick, thank you very much. >> i'm listening to david talk, it's like i'm listening to you talk, it's like seriously, do you share notes? >> i think he give brings up a point. about the preciousness of what we have. if you have grown up in this great country, i think it's very easy to feel this is on very strong foundations and held together on strong pillars but if you've grown up in another type of country and have even fled that country, you know how
quickly it can slip away. >> david, mika's parents obviously fled poland and fled check slow vovakiaslovakia. >> and for reasons very similar, oppression and all the rest. this is supposed to be a country built on a foundation of acceptance of -- it sounds terribly overly idealistic and corny. but of decency and kindness to immigrants who have been nothing but made into demons by this president. there are people in horrible need 1,000 miles away that have been demonized and at the same time the president of the united states cannot muster off of the teleprompter a kind of humane reaction to what's happening in his own country in the last week. what does that tell you about him? and he is the elected president of the united states.
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gillum is the first african-american to be nominated for florida governor. according to president trump, he's a, quote, thief. >> a thief, isn't that interesting? he would accuse him of being a thief? >> this, in florida, there is a choice between a harvard/yale educated man and a dem who is a thief. tallahassee has been the subject of a federal corruption probe. gillum has reportedly said he did nothing wrong and the fbi told him in june 2017 that he was not a focus of its investigation. speaking to fox news, trump cited a recent report about an fbi agent posing as a developer, provided gillum and his brother with tickets to the broadway musical "hamilton," during a 2016 trip to new york city. >> you called andrew gillum, you referenced hi being ed him bein?
>> the fbi offered him tickets at $1800 a piece and he took them. i guess he was posing as a developer or something. the man stone-cold took this stuff. i don't even think he should be allowed to continue on -- here's a guy that in my opinion is a stone-cold thief. >> that -- wait, wait, donald trump is talking about tickets to hamilton? wait, do i have this right, willie? when donald trump is being investigated, by states, by the u.s. government, by everybody, four transactions in the millions and millions of dollars that are questionable. >> donald trump doesn't arrive at these terms by accident. he used the term "thief" several times. again, we saw, joe, his complex about having not gone to harvard or yale. he loves a harvard man. puts it in there. shutout to florida a&m, where
mayor gillum went to college. don callaway, he's a founder of the national voter protection action fund. dedicated to fighting voter suppression efforts nationwide. it's good to have you back on the show. where are you focused right now? where are you efforts most focused? >> the action fund now is trying to get a second round of funding to georgia. particularly the ucla of georgia. to protect so many votes. and you all have covered it so diligently that the secretary has deferred a whole lot of people from coming out and be able to do their franchise. we're working with the urban voters of miami project to try to make sure everyone knows their rights, and comes out to vote in florida. >> you must get a sense, i'm
curious of your perspective of voter turnout. is it -- what are your expectations? >> we expect and have expected since this president took office and we saw the first round of special elections to try to fill cabinet spots. we expect historic turnout. particularly with historic candidates in kansas, in idaho. diverse candidates who are exciting a base, exciting people who really haven't come out to vote in the previous elections. haven't seen this participation since barack obama in 2008 and even more so in 2012. we expect tremendous turnouts. which amplifies the voter suppression issues. because of policy that's been put in place in shelby county versus holder which invalidated section five. now here we are one one week out. what we'll focus on, making sure we're in statehouses and federally fighting these issues
going forward. >> so, don, when the president was calling andrew gillum a thief, stone-cold -- >> yes. >> what do you think the angle was there, help us understand. >> well, the president's a racist. that's a despicable tweet. there's a lot to unpack there. when you consider -- he's talking about city leadership. historically african-americans have been confined to the seats in the congressional black caucus and leading cities in terms of electoral ceilings. there's a glass ceiling on african-american participation when it comes to statewide office. that goes back to the whole narrative of white flight and moving ought to the suburbs and stuff. and the narrative there is that city leadership is corrupt and it's run by african-americans. we reject that narrative wholly. we also reject this narrative that the president holds up harvard and yale grads as this elite credential when it's convenient to him. i can say that florida a&m's gillum has outclassed desantis
in every phase of this campaign. well, guess what, she went to the same yale that kavanaugh did, the same yale as desantis but, surprise, she also went to spellman college and it's no -- it's one of our country's fines institutions. it's no coincidence he talks about these people who went to fine black colleges. and we reject that. >> don, thank you very much. >> thanks for having me, mika. >> time now for final thoughts as we close up the day. willie, we'll start with you. >> well, i'm hearing this morning from active duty and from veterans great concerns about the politization of the united states military, when the president says he's going to send 5200 troops to the border to be used as a political prop ahead of the midterm elections. >> i can't believe the secretary of the defense is going to allow that to happen or he'll follow those orders. i'd resign before i did such a
thing. you know, mika, it's so important for us to remember the reason why donald trump is talking about an imaginary caravan invasion and fox news is talking about smallpox is nobody on the right wants to talk about the fact that republicans like rick scott and republicans like mcsally and republicans across america have voted to take away their pre-existing protections. rick scott, in florida. has aggressively worked against the expansion of medicaid. that impacts senior citizens like my mom. that impacts young children. they've ripped and shredded protections for -- or want to for pre-existing conditions. they're trying to distract from that. remember mcsally in arizona? i mean, mcsally in arizona -- >> desperately -- >> she says, oh, people don't care about health care in arizona, let's talk about the caravan instead. americans are a lot smarter than that. this is all about health care.