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now believe they have approached their dream of a religious war between east and west, one that has now been declared by the very country they planned to destroy. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> we will not let this evil order make us less american. >> a white house under fire lashes out. >> these bureaucrats have a problem with it? i think that they should either get with the program or they can go. >> as a backlash to president trump's immigration action grows. >> actually had a very good day yesterday in terms of homeland security. >> tonight, the latest on the resistance as the lawsuits mount and the protests keep coming into plus, the new democratic strategy to block president trump at all costs. and national security by breitbart. >> you can't handle the truth. >> the growing alarm and ignored
warnings about steve bannon. >> a fringe element that has effectively taken over the party. >> when "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. we begin with breaking news. the acting attorney general of the united states, that is the person who is most senior in the justice department right now tonight is calling president donald trump's travel ban indefensible. sally yates, a holdover from the obama administration is serving until trump's attorney general nominee is confirmed ordering the justice department not to defend president trump's immigration executive order in court. writing in a letter that, quote, my responsibility is to ensure that the position of the department of justice is not only legally defensible but informed by our best view of what the law is after consideration of all of the facts. in addition, i am responsible for ensuring the positions we take in court remain consistent
with this institution's solemn obligation to always seek justice and stand for what is right. at present, i am not convinced that the defense of the executive order is consistent with these responsibilities nor am i convinced the executive order is lawful. which means that until donald trump gets a new attorney general, the department of justice will not be presenting any arguments banning refugees and some category of immigrants. the president's response to that letter tweeting out moments ago, "the democrats are delaying my cabinet picks for purely political reasons. they have nothing going but to obstruct. now have an obama a.g." joining me is who successfully argued in federal court in brooklyn on saturday night and co-counsel for c.a.i.r. stating the executive order is
unconstitutional. lee, this strikes me as a big deal. >> absolutely. this is a remarkable, stunning development. these are serious people in the justice department who took a look at this what we believe is a muslim ban and i think most people are now realizing it is and said it's indefensible. you know, that is about as strong a statement that can be sent. >> what -- look, what do you stay to people who say this is an obama holdover and purely political. she doesn't agree with the policy priorities of the president of the united states but it's her job to deploy the federal government's resources in deend iffing a law she doesn't think is clearly illegal. she should resign if she doesn't want to do this. >> she can defend herself. she's a serious career lawyer. she doesn't need my defense. i would just say that whatever else it says about it, it shows that this myth being prop gated, that the president has the power to do whatever he wants is simply wrong. there are people out there saying this is a no-brainer.
of course what trump did is lawful. if nothing else, this sends the message, they believe there are serious problems with it and we certainly believe we'll be able to show this was a discriminatory ban against a religion that's antithetical to our constitution and american values. >> i want to talk to you about that precise thing but want one more question about govern moth lawyers here. i got to the hearing on saturday night, the eastern district. >> right. >> i was not able to get in. >> right. >> but i talked to folks that were inside and they said the judge was ex sas sacerbated wit judge's arguments and this is before sally weighed in saying that we're not going to defend this. >> absolutely were. >> they absolutely were having a tough time and the judge was no nonsense and said to them very directly, tell me why there would not be ir rep rabl harm
given how extensively they've been vetted and the government just basically threw up their hands. >> what we've seen coming out of the white house is the following. this is not a muslim ban because 80% plus of the muslims are not affected and that the grounding for this, the seven countries that have been identified come from something that was passed and signed a law that the obama administration, here is sean spicer laying that out. take a listen. >> these seven countries were derived from what the obama administration deemed as further travel restriction. >> these are seven countries and identified by president obama. >> these seven countries were identified by the obama administration, countries of particular concern. >> what's your response to that? >> well, it really is important to make the point that it's not all citizens from these seven countries, not all of them are banned from entering the united
states. the executive order makes it clear that muslims are to be treated differently than folks that are not muslims from these countries and that is in the text of the executive order itself. donald trump hours before he signed the executive order on friday explained that consequence of his executive order to the christian broadcasting network. there's a preference being made for people who are not muslims from these countries. what the executive order amounts to is a multi-100 word -- >> wait a second. you're talking about the preference that's given specifically for people of a minority religion in a country -- religious persecution in a majority country of another majority religion. clearly in the realm of these seven countries, that would mean nonmuslims in these predominantly muslim countries. why is that kind of preference not constitutional?
>> well, the supreme court has dealt with cases like that where a municipal body or some form of government in the united states is trying to affect a single religious group and not use the words associated with that religious group. but the standard for facial neutrality is not that they use didn't use the word islam but they are not ducting a religious jerry man der and not drawing lines that includes and excludes muslim's. >> i see your key point. you're saying that the law doesn't care whether you use the word or not. it can see what you're doing if you can meet that test. the other thing is, stephen miller made this point. he eventually says, there's no way this could be unconstitutional because the constitution doesn't care about nonamericans. it doesn't care about the billions of people living past our borders. if the constitution carried about them, anyone could come here and we'd have to throw
america open to the hoards. what's your response to that? >> we're not -- the basis of our lawsuit and the basis of other lawsuits is not only an amendment in the teens and 20s, it's the very first amendment that provides from the establishment clause from broadcasting a clause of condemnation, against one faith or another and our lawsuit, all of the plaintiffs are inside the united states. every american muslim is feeling the stigmatizing burden that this executive order impacts on them. so my family, my friends, the amount of alarm, the green card holders, these folks are going to be expelled from the united states because you have to renew your immigration benefits and re-enter the country off to establish your immigration status and not only does this prevent some muslims from entering this country, if left standing this executive order will lead to the expulsion of
muslims in the united states. >> final question, briefly. there's a concern about a constitutional crisis in terms of judge's orders being ignored from custom border agents. we have a constitutional crisis today. four members of congress asked cbp officials -- congress doesn't have the authority to force a court order necessarily but are you concerned about that? >> we are. if they are purposefully ignoring a court order, that's about as serious as you get. if we find out there's not compliance in the next 24, 48 hours, we'd be back. we've done that in the past. >> on the legal front lines of this remarkable unfolding legal story, which is just one part of the story. thank you for joining me. joining me is a veteran from the war in iraq and a congressman. you've been very vocal about this and it's been interesting
to follow the veterans that have emotional reactions, in particular, iraqi refugees who served as translators. why does this hit so hard? >> because when we were in iraq or afghanistan, we literally put our lives in the hands of these translators, of our intelligence sources. we relied on them and they relied on us. we made a promise that we'd protect them from our common enemy, the terrorists that we were fighting. now we're abandoning them. it's very personal. it's also personal to anyone out there defending our national security because it's harming our national security. it's inciting attacks against us. isis is already using the propaganda and it's going to make it much harder for troops overseas right now to recruit those translators, to recruit those local sources that are so essential to our fight against terror. >> can you imagine how -- or have you heard or talked to folks about how this is resonating in iraq? the iraqi parliament has moved to essentially ask the prime
minister or the president to restrict u.s. access to iraq. we have thousands of service members embedded there with an army with whom we are applied in the fight against isis. having served in iraq, with iraqis, how would this play? >> it would be absolutely terrible. i remember back in 2003 when i worked with a translator named mohamed and he said i can't keep working with you anymo because my family's been threatened. he was essential to our work. we taldut it and we talked about ways to protect his family and ultimately convinced him to keep working for us, which was essential to our mission. but there's no way that i could have a conversation like that today on the ground in iraq and that any iraqi would believe me because my own president has said we're going to abandon you to the terrorists. so this is a huge problem for the troops on the front line. it absolutely puts our young men and women in uniform in danger.
>> can any american, whether a diplomat serving in the armed forces or in a political position make credible promises to iraqis that they are working with right now? >> no. absolutely not. that's why it's so harmful to our national security. this order is going to severely restrict the war on terror and it's just unconscienceable when you're sending young men and women overseas to restrict them like this. this is a huge setback for the accomplishment of the war. >> congressman, thank you. elizabeth warren is holding the floor of the senate tonight. democrats are going to introduce legislation to overturn this executive order. take a listen. >> she was denied entry on saturday and when she tried to return on sunday after the temporary stay had been issued, she was denied boarding by lufthansa. a massachusetts student on a student visa called because his wife was denied boarding in
switzerland. none of these people are criminals. none of these people are threats. they're students at some of the world's top universities. they're doctors and scientists at some of the country's best hospitals. most of them have already been vetted and granted the right to come to america. one is a father who wants to see his cancer-stricken daughter. they are husbands and wives, mothers and fathers and sisters and brothers, friends and neighbors. they are people. they are real people. they are part of what makes massachusetts great and they are part of what makes america great. donald trump's radical ban on muslims isn't in line with american values or with our constitution or in line with what the republican party stands for. in the months following the attacks of september 11th, president george w. bush made a point to remind the united
states that we were not at war against islam. in a speech in april of 2002, he said -- and i want to quote here -- america rejects bigotry. we reject every act of hatred against people of arab background or muslim faith, america values and welcomes peaceful people of all faiths. christian, jewish, muslim, sikh, hindu and many others. every faith is practiced and protected here because we are one country. every immigrant can be fully and equally american because we are one country. race and color should not divide us because america is one country. do senate republicans agree? if so, then come down here and say so. where are you?
where are senate republicans when their republican president issues an order targeting one religious group? let's be clear about what happened here. keeping the details secret, working with a small group of operatives inside the white house, consulting no experts in diplomacy or homeland security and getting advice from outsiders with no actual legal authority, president trump acted unilaterally to issue this order. and make no mistake, while it may not affect every muslim in the world, donald trump's executive order is a muslim ban and it is unconstitutional. this is a crisis. the senate should take up and pass senator feinstein's bill to overturn this illegal order right now. what's happening is shocking. it is shocking but it is not surprising. donald trump is doing exactly what he said he was going to do.
during his presidential campaign, he promised, and i quote, a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. that's what he said. and last year it seemed like pretty much everyone agreed that this was not acceptable in the united states of america. speaker paul ryan declared that, quote, a religious test for entering our country is not reflective of america's fundamental values. i reject it. so where are you now, paul ryan? have you rejected president trump's order to impose our religious test for entering our country? have you introduced a bill to overturn it? you have the power. where are you? as governor of indiana, vice president mike pence said that, quote, calls to ban muslims from entering the u.s. are offensive
and unconstitutional. so where are you right now, vice president pence? have you called to overturn president trump's offensive and unconstitutional order? have you asked republicans to introduce a bill to overturn it? you have a platform. where are you? and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell called the muslim ban, quote, completely and totally inconsistent with american values. so where are you right now, mitch mcconnell? have you rejected president trump's muslim ban that is completely and totally inconsistent with american values? have you introduced a bill to overturn it? you have the power. where are you? president trump ignored these republican leaders and today these republican leaders will not stand up for what is right. president trump may be willing to ignore the constitution and
the laws of the united states of america. the republican leadership in congress may be willing to ignore the constitution and the laws of the united states of america. but the american people are not. this weekend, americans across this country came together to reject this sort of fear and hate. the american people showed courage even as the republican leadership hid out. crowds of people raced to airports across this country to welcome immigrants and refugees and to demand temporary relief and demand that this reckless order be rescinded. i was proud to stand with hundreds of people at logan airport in boston on saturday night. and then with more than 20,000 people in copley square on sunday. we had one of the biggest
demonstrations in the country. i also want to say, of the hundreds of lawyers and translators who dropped everything and spent sleepless nights in airport terminals and courts fighting for justice because of their tireless work, we have already been unable to do some of the damage caused by president trump. >> that's elizabeth warren on the senate floor where democrats are going to introduce legislation to overturn it. across the nation and around the world, the senator was just noting, there is outrage and backlash and protests refugees into the u.s. now, as a president and his staff pointed out, the order does not put into place the full muslim ban that president trump promised and elizabeth warren cited during the campaign.
it does not ban immigration from three majority muslim countries, including saudi arabia, home country of most of the 9/11 hijackers. but as trump confidant rudy giuliani explained this weekend, the policy grew out of the president's campaign promise to ban all muslims. >> when he first announced it, he said muslim ban. he called me up and said put a commission together, show me the right way to do it legally. and what we did was we focused on, instead of religion, danger. the areas of the world that create danger for us, which is a factual basis. >> the full spectrum resistance to the executive order has been astounding, including inside the government, like the acting attorney general. also, dozens of state department officials expected to sign a descent memo arguing, we are better than this ban. this weekend, almost immediately upon news of the order, protests broke out.
thousands taking to areas and protests tonight in at least five cities, including washington, d.c., where democrats just a short time ago stood in front of the supreme court to call on the president to reverse the new policy. top republicans, including john mccain and lindsey graham, have also come out across the order. gop representative mike coffman calling it a poorly executed and embarrassment. former president barack obama who hadn't spoke out since leaving office supported the protesters saying that he was heartened by the level of engagement taking place in communities around the country. joining me now is a associate professor of law. professor, can you tell us what your own refugee experience was? >> hi, thank you so much for having me on the show. yes, i was one of these people
who from a country that's a terrorist country, from iran and i had the hijab and shouted death to america when i was a kid because i was forced to. that's what the regime made people in elementary school do. my family was able to get out. there was war. we slept in our basements and there was bombs at night and we were able to get out and we got a visa and we came here as refugees and i've been able to live as a refugee. it's been a dream. this country has welcomed us with open arms but, you know, a lot of iranians are stuck between these two regimes where one says that america is evil and the other tells you that iran is evil. neither is the case. these people, iranians are stuck at the border. they are coming to visit relatives. i have relatives right now that have green cards or visas and come and visit back and forth.
my mom was just in iran. my grandfather died and we told her to come back quickly. but these are the regular people. they are children. they are humans just like you and i. >> it's all about protecting americans and we don't know where the threat lurks and these countries were in some other piece of legislation dealing with a slightly different issue in terms of transit. do you -- do we need to be protected? >> you know, yes. terrorism is real. if you look at the statics, it just doesn't make sense to ban these countries. the last time an iranian or syrian killed an american on american soil was exactly never. we have the 1978 hostage crisis and as far as i remember, ben affleck's "argo" movie reminded me. that was a hostile action. that was in 1978, the year i was born. since then, america and iran
have not had interactions. why? there's this mutual fear and denied humanity of the other. people on both sides here have no involvement in this. the iranian people love americans, right? celebrate american music, they get online and go on facebook, they want to be part of the global world and their government shut them down. when they want to come to america, now we have this government saying, no, you're evil. this only feeds the ayatollahs of iran. it tells them that americans hate you and now americans are saying, yes, we hate you. but iranians, i think if you're a smart person and if you can have a global and long-term perspective, you can see that we're so much more alike than we are different. >> it's sort of fascinating to hear this, too, because it strikes me that in some way the closest analog is refugees to the ussr where there was some
concerns back then that they would be sending the spies to infiltrate. of course, that's a population that has incredible influence here in the united states and there was no idea that, well, we have to be scared of these people that will just bar them all. >> right. the iranians that come here, they want to be here. that's the thing with immigrants and refugees. a lot of us actually appreciate america so much more than i think people who maybe take it for granted. we are seeking this country. i don't know of any iranian spies that have been sent here. every single iranian that i know, literally just all of -- go to an iranian's house and i promise you will leave being fed, being invited in their home, knock on their door and the most hospitable people i know. they are not -- >> the best food i've ever had at a wedding. that i can stipulate for sure.
thank you for being with me. i appreciate it. >> uh-huh. joining me is former obama staffer kal penn who raised over $500,000 for refugees after being told by someone in the internet that he doesn't belong in the u.s. >> chris, great to see you. >> the issue of you -- you usually raise $4 million online. they've raised 24 million in this weekend, which is six times its yearly average. >> yeah. >> what is going on out there? >> i think we are better than what we're seeing our president do and do on our behalf and you've got scores of american people coming out and saying we love our country and we're not going to stand for this. this is a beautiful thing. >> do you think -- please, go ahead. >> i mean, my only experience with that was saturday morning. i woke up and read this absurd comment on an instagram post which was a screenshot of a
friend whose refugee buddy's dad was turned away because of president trump's executive order. so i posted a screen shot of what he had texted me and i said this is unamerican. this is not who we are and one of the comments on that was, well, you shouldn't be in this country. and i love where i was born and raised and i feel like i'm not the only one. so i set up a crowd rise page that said in this dude's name, let's see if we can raise 2500 bucks for syrian refugees because i feel like we're better than that. and then i did nothing after that. the thing just took off. it's actually up to almost $700,000 tonight. it's still taking donations. if anyone is inclined, go to krout crowdrise/kal. folks know, i've gotten e-mails from soldier friends of mine overseas who i've met on osu tours. people are getting together and
saying this is not who we are as americans and we're not going to stand for this. >> you talk about we're kbeter than this and one of the things that many people who voted for hillary clinton or did not vote for donald trump after election day was this, whoa, it's not our country or we're on the wrong side of the big cultural wedge in america and it's interesting to me that the gallup polling is out and shows the days it took for a president to get below 50% in gallup. reagan was 727. bush, almost 1400. clinton, 573. all the way down to obama to 936. trump is below 50% after eight days. it's the case that he didn't get a majority of votes and part of what we're seeing, it seems to me, that fact manifesting itself. >> yes, i would agree with that. it's something that folks are talking about and they are trying very hard to downplay. look, i have the honor of serving at the white house under
president obama. i cannot imagine a week after inauguration that we would be angry. can you imagine that? these guys just got elected. they should be joyous. they should be happy. if they are really confident in their agenda, they should be executing it seamlessly and their only argument on why they are unable to do that is democratic opposition? the democrats haven't gotten it together, to be perfectly honest. it's their own dysfunction, their own lack of understanding. the eo didn't go through an interagency process, which we're seeing the ramifications of today. it's mind-blowing. the fact that most people did not support this president in the popular vote and those who did, particularly in the evangelical and faith community are saying we voted for this guy but we did not vote for this unamerican thing that he's trying to do. >> kal penn, thank you for your time tonight. really appreciate it. >> thanks, brother. nice to see you. coming up, the national security and breitbart.com, growing alarms over steve
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bannon was the architect of that order along with stephen miller. president trump gave bannon a permanent nancy on the national security council. a task providing the president all the information he needs to make the urgent and high stakes life and death decisions about this country's security. bannon elevated and lost their permanent neant status and the director of national intelligence and october 2015 long before bannon joined up with joshua green, profiled him in a cover story for bloomberg business week and he was for trump all along, before he
joined the campaign and the world view is the one that trump espoused all along and i'm surprised that he's been named the nac. he doesn't have any foreign policy experience and isn't a military commander and seems like just another one of the norms that trump is knocking down in how he organizes his white house. >> i've got to say that the executive order and the response to it, to me, seems very much from the bannon school, that basically we're americans, everyone else is a provisional person and we'll deal with that however we want. it's sort of sean spicer saying it's a privilege, not a right, to come to the u.s., which is true. nations control their borders. but there's this contempt that seems to me to come directly from bannon. >> well, yeah. i think there's a certain coldness to it. the bannon world view, his idea of nationalism is not only that
companies like we shouldn't ship jobs to mexico, keep them here, the flip side of that idea is we shouldn't be allowing refugees and immigrants into the u.s. to potentially take those jobs from american workers. and i think it was done in a particularly clumsy way, the executive order. the idea is that we're going to keep these people out, tighten the labor markets and that will cause wages to rise. >> yeah. >> and help out these americans who have been left behind over the last couple of decades. >> we should be clear, there's no labor market tightening that's really happening with this executive order. if you started to do other things, you can see that. there's also this. this to me embodies his world view. this is him on the radio show talking to donald trump. take a listen. >> you know, when two-thirds or three-quarters of the ceos in silicon valley are from south asia or from asia, i think -- my
point is -- >> that statistic is not trump. worrying that you can cut down on visas and all this to filter in. >> it's sort of striking that trump is the zero sum view of economics and national sovereignty and engineers that companies in the u.s. be forced to hire engineers and may cost them a little bit more and a tradeoff he's willing to make even if in the aggregate that hurts the american economy. >> there's also this idea of chaos and him thriving on it. he's got this famous line, i want to burn down the state. lennon wanted to burn down the state. this idea of destroying everything, of sort of the entire institutional landscape
is broken and corrupt and we're going to light it on flames and laugh as you try to save it. >> you know, i don't think in fairness that that idea still pertains. his focus really was ongoing after the institutional republican party and absolutely he wanted to tear that down. i spoke to him on the record for a business week piece the day after the election and asked him that very question. i said, you've called yourself a lennonist. is that what you and trump are going to do in government and he sort of switched historical analogy and said this isn't the french revolution. we're not looking to tear down the system. what we want to do is restore american capitalism to some earlier purer version where the rewards were spread to the middle and lower classes in addition to the wealthy 1%. whether or not they follow a set of policies that actually bear this out, i do think it's important notice that he was already backing away from the lennonist idea the day after the
election. >> the final thing i'll say here is that there are two parts of the trump pitch. it was, there are these people who we're going to screw because we're screwing you and protect you from them and you are going to get help, you the voter. it's much easier to live by that first promise, whether we keep immigrants out. the big question is can they deliver on the second promise. can they help the people they said they would help? that's a much harder thing to do. >> it is. it's made all the more difficult by the fact that you have now offended and upset a good deal of republican senators and house member who is you are eventually going to need to pass a trump agenda through congress. remember, not only has trump never been in congress but neither has bannon. he's never worked in government. right now it's a great trumpian show of strength and bannon is cheering him along. i don't think that's going to work when you're making actual policy tradeoffs that senate and
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lyft surpassed uber. that's only half the story. on saturday, uber ceo who agreed to sit on trump's economic advisory group offered to compensate drivers impacted by the new policy but crucially stop short of denouncing it saying he would raise concerns when the business advisory group meets this week and saturday night, new york taxi drivers announced a solidarity strike at jfk for an hour to stand with the protesters. shortly after that ended, uber tweeted surge pricing had been turned off and as an attempt to cross that picket line. #deleteuber began trending on twitter and uber said, last tweet not meant to break strike as a pr disaster continued to unfold on sunday. uber called president trump's policy unjust and creating $3 million legal defense fund for
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democrats to talk about the qualities they want in a judge. and before they've even heard who this individual is, you've got some of them saying absolutely no. it shows you it's all about politics and not about qualification. the president has a right to have his nominees taken up. that is part of -- and so for them, it is going -- the default used to be unless qualified, confirmed. it's go to always know. that's a pretty sad message. >> the president has a right for his nominees to be taken up. what do you think about that? >> to hear sean spicer, a long-time republican party, spokesman, i don't know if he ever worked for mitch mcconnell, but he might as well have, this judgeship has been open for a year, public doesn't want us to go back and litigate that. look what has happened to this court, how this court has become not just more conservative, more ideological, but more political,
more political in the sense of how it goes after voting rights, more political in how it helps the koch brothers and big money dump more money into right-wing politics, political action and political candidates, all the issues to make the republican party and the right -- not the traditional conservative but the far right movement stronger. that's what this court's been about. that's why mcconnell blocked it for a year. and i think one thing we'll talk about is how -- what this court -- this country, the more it learns about the supreme court, the more unhappy it's going to be over what it's done the last four or five years and i think that's -- that's where the public weighs in and i think you'll see the same kind of response as you saw at the women's march, as you saw at airports. i joined a thousand, according to the columbus dispatch, pretty conservative paper, a thousand people in columbus, our daughter and 3-year-old granddaughter last two days ago, you see it in cleveland, you see it all over in boston and washington and new
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votes or is the democratic caucus going to stand firm against him? >> i was the first member of the senate to come out against sessions maybe three weeks ago. i went up to the floor and that is a courtesy, not voting for him, and telling him face-to-face if you know that you're not going to vote for him and overwhelming number of democrats who vote against him. i assume it's maybe not everyone but almost everyone. i think every democrat will vote against devos. particularly by what price has done and lying to the finance committee and buying and selling health care stocks, i think democrats may close to unanimously vote against him, i think with mnuchin's response, front page today how mnuchin lied about robo signings and we're seeing more and more these very political and ideological and usually very wealthy, uber wealthy kind of nominees having
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the absolutely united states precedented explosion of treat protests. anand, how do you understand what's happened the last ten days? i've covered politics and i've covered organizing activism on the left and right. i've never quite seen something like i've seen the last ten days, particularly saturday. >> it's an extraordinary moment, chris. and i think, you know, this is in my lifetime probably the darkest hour that i have encountered for this country. but i would -- that for me
before this weekend was probably the full story of it for me. and something about this weekend gave me a glimpse of a dawn beyond this darkness. and i think what it is, it started perhaps with the women's march right after the inauguration but that was still a theoretical striving and a beautiful summons to action. but this weekend, we got action. we had that darkness produce a very dark kind of law and then in a way that i think none of us were expecting because we were all so depressed, those of us who don't like to be governed by the worst of us, was that the system that we were so doubting actually started to work. people started to protest, companies started to speak up when two weeks before they had been cowardly. the courts that had been demeaned and belittled by this president started to deliver rulings saying what the law is and challenging him.
bureaucrats who were terrified and intimidated and belittled by him started using their channels of descent to speak up. lawyers started volunteering, flooding to airports, giving up their time and money, buying tickets just to get into the terminal. people started raising money. people started organizing. and i think, speaking from my own generational cohert, i think of this as an easter. we're dying and becoming citizens, realizing that this is a moment when if we want a republic, we have to earn it. >> do you think -- i thought about you because you wrote this incredible book about two americas. you've spoken about this and i keep talking about how much order this hits home in one part of america, really nails it in
there, and how you think about the other america that is not -- that is much further removed. for instance, as they watched this play out. >> i think it's a really profound question and something i struggle with. because i -- until this election happened, my focus was actually on the other half of your question and then in thinking about, i've been writing for years about the decay and loss of hope and anger in that part of america and never saw trump coming but seeing that and the challenge is two different goals. we are so threatened by this man that we have to protect each other and what you saw this weekend was an extra effort, first aid, but we also have to reconnect with each other and those are very conflictual
stridings and they have to also persuade each other on the other side and i think there's a immediate triage that needs to happen but i think there's a deeper effort to actually go beyond speaking to the tribe and try to expand that tribe as hard as it is when you're doing first aid. >> thank you for joining us tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. the fbi was founded in 1935. its founding director was jay edgar hoover. for the first 37 years that the fbi existed, they never had another director. they only relinquished the fbi when they pried it from his cold, dead hands. in our system of government, judges get lifetime tenure but he