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that we've seen enter office, partially because there's just so much unknown about him. how is he going to govern? what priorities is he going to make? and what sort of executive orders are going to be. anyway, he'll come to the ball. we'll see him here and see his first dance. chris, thanks. >> you're the best. katy tur who know this is guy well who has covered him to the point he can't stand it anymore. that's "hardball." tomorrow night we're on at 7:00, we're going to cover the women's event all day tomorrow. it will be exciting. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >> goods evening, on this inauguration day from washington, d.c. i'm chris hayes, there's a lot happening. we have inauguration balls now getting under way as protests continue in the streets. we'll be checking in on that
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throughout the hour. we begin with what is by any measure aistoric event in the life of this nation. the inauguration of donald j. trump as the president of the united states. an inauguration day that looked very different than what we saw for now former president obama eight years ago. the streets in this city where trump got just 4% of the vote. this image posted by vox shows the 2009 inauguration of now former president obama on the left and trump's inauguration on the right with far fewer spectators. the crowd estimated to be about one-third the size of obama's and while there were thousands upon thousands of jubilant trump supporters, it was i believe possible not to notice nearly empty bleachers along the route of the inaugural parade. there were also thousands of protesters, the vast majority of whom were peaceful although some windows got broken and limos smashed and lit on fire. they were there in larger numbers than eight years ago and there is a huge protest march still to come tomorrow. also scenes of violence among the protesters i noted, some of
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whom clashed with police. we have reports of arrests in d.c. and in san francisco which is one of many cities that at this hour or during the day are having their own marches. but the biggest difference on this inauguration day was tone. compared to the optimism of president obama eight years ago, president trump offered a far darker vision of america one awash in drugs, crime, and poverty. as the "washington post" graphic lists, words trump said for the first time in any inaugural address "bleed, carnage, disrepair, sad, stolen, tombstones." >> this american carnage stops right here and stops right now. >> meanwhile, president trump is signing things as the president of the united states. this is video inside the oval office. trump signing confirmation papers for defense secretary mattis, homeland security director kelly. also according to white house press secretary sean spicer an executive order, and i quote here "to ease the burden of
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obamacare pending repeal" although we have literally no idea what that means. we are hoping for more details information. joining me, lynn sweet, washington bureau chief of the chicago "sun-times"s. sabrina siddiqui and tim carner. you can see one of the inaugural balls on the left of your screen. we are expecting at some point this evening the president and first ladyill make an appearance at one of those balls. lynn, i imagine you've covered a number of these and i've been to every one since 2000 and all the way through. what struck you today? >> what struck me today besides the small crowds, it was great, get on the subway, what struck me was in the speech itself certainly the lack of strong aspirational tone. what struck me was the inability it seems of trump to find any way of unifying people. this is number six for me,
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inauguration, i think since '97 and usually people go away saying "well, i didn't vote for him but i kind of got something out of that speech." and i don't think -- unless -- you know, he's so much talk to his base, chris, i don't know how -- i've never been to an inauguration -- to answer your question most crisply -- where there was not a message to the people who did not vote for the new president. >> i have to say, it didn't surprise me for this reason, and i agree with this, it was similar to the rnc speech. i remember getting an early copy of the text of the rnc speech thinking this is his first opportunity, he's going to be the nominee, you've won the primary, that's a speech where you try to shift the rhetoric and it wasn't. it was -- it was much like his inauguration speech. this is what the vision is. >> the ending of the speech was similar to what he had. right, that's the point. >> but if you're him, that worked. >> he wasn't speaking to you. >> no. well, that's clear. >> and so -- but it wasn't e
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ideologic ideological. it wasless ideological than w or obama. this wasn't a conservative speech by any stretch of the imagination. >> it was nationalist. >> and it was populist. >> which i would note is an ideology. >> you expected him at the end of the speech to say "and everybody come over to the white house for a kegger." yes, hence the andrew jackson. it was against washington so it wasn't for you but it was for those people in michigan and pennsylvania who were the swing voters. >> you have to remember that donald trupecifically said as a candidate that this is the republican party, not the consvative party. so as far as his republican critics in washington are concerned, this did very little to alleviate some of the reservations that they might have about how he might govern. because it could very much represent the beginning of a dramatic shift within the republican party and also you have to remember, donald trump very much caters to perceptions
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and i think that this speech, as lynn said, it was intended for his supporters and it was very much an indictment of all of the people who were sitting on that stage with him because that is at -- that is what he campaigned on. no one should be surprised because we keep looking for this pivot and donald trump has made it clear there's going to be no pivot. >> what i think is interest sag s that there was not a drop of ryanism or pencism. in fact, very little about the almighty. >> i'm serious. >> inaugurations tend to get pretty -- about god and there was very little of that. there was -- i don't think the idea of freedom, even the word freedom, there are a lot of free markets, things like that. this was the full bannon nationalist populism. >> but i was looking for -- i understand in a speech like this we don't want policy or politics. i think for his own governing ability i would have thrown in something that just doesn't
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leave everybody as polarized now as they came. now kellyanne conway gave an interview where she said well, i think this is going to be aspirational and all this. i could see where there were some attempts at it but it didn't even come close. >> i will say this to tim's point. i do think it was effective to a certain -- you know, the idea of the bleakness that he paints the picture of. for people that feel like things are bleak, i think that's effective. >> that's a michigan -- pennsylvania democrat. that's not the washington, d.c. democrat. >> i just have the big question here on that devote that everyone is using, let's listen to the whole thing. everyone's seizing on carnage, carnage. he said it's going to end now. now. >> and this is to me the big difference. >> how are you going to do it? when are you going to do it? >> i want to bring in republican strategist msnbc contributor wanted to talk to you about the foreign policy aspects of the speech because in som ways the most remarkably radical parts of the speech i think have to do with the way he talked
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about his vision for what the kind of international order of trumpism looks like and it -- i think, and i'm curious what you think, a radical departure from where things are. >> an absolutely radical departure from the post-cold war and the post world war ii consensus amongst democrats and republicans about the primacy of the united states as the guarantor of a liberal international rules-based order that has largely preserved and kept the peace after the catastrophe that killed 80 million people in the second world war. american foreign policy has always been values based and when he talks today about all nations have the right to pursue their interests as they see those interests, that's going to be greeted with cheers in beijing and moscow. that is their point when they push back about america's assertion of values across the
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world and so i think it's a speech that sent shivers down the spine of our european allies and i think it was gratifying to some other leaders like vladimir putin for instance. >> yeah, and you know i should say that there's a lot of people around the world who believe those american values have been honored in the breach a lot. as a sort of addition to the context to that but you're totally right. i mean particularly tim, you mentioned this, the second inaugural of george w. bush which was basically that -- as long as there's any person anywhere in the world who isn't free that america's goal is to liberate them. it was unbelievably sweeping. >> and i just remember listening to that second inaugural and thinking this was the most ideological speech i'd ever heard where bush was laying out this vision that came straight out of sort of washington, d.c. think tank talking points and it wasn't the way americans felt.
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americans don't feel oh, well, i want to make sure the saudis are living according to madisonn principles. and one of the things trump has done is he's taken this republican party, the ideology, a lot of which i subscribe to and said, nope, we're not going to go there, we're going to tie it to this populist thing. i thought today's speech reflected that populism, including the international level. >> sabrina and then steve i want to come to you with another question. >> one of the compelling themes of donald trump's presidency will be the narrative he constructs around himself through the rhetoric you heard today and you'll have mike pence behind the scenes and someone he appoints to his cabinet go a frern different way to keep somewhat of the republican orthodoxy in place. a lot of it has to do with donald trump, again, creating the perception he promised he would do. creating the perception he's bringing back jobs so all he needs to the -- he is have media savvy. he needs to keep his supporters pacified through speeches. he went on the victory tour.
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make them believe he is doing what he said he would do. we don't know the extent to which he'll carry out a lot of what he promises. >> this connects to something lynn said about promises. he made a lot of promises today. in fact he said he was going to eradicate radical islamic terrorism from the face of the earth. now, i went back and i looked at barack obama's twine inauguration. what's interesting about that as a document is all the hope and change rhetoric, that was a very kind of clear-eyed speech that was very much like it's going to be really hard and we face a lot of challenges. it was an attempt to ratchet down almost explicitly expectations. today donald trump promised the world. >> no, he sure did and, look, he's going to be held to measure on that. you know, three times in the last 100 years the president's party has won seats, gained seats in the first midterm election. structurally the system is set up, usually that -- that incumbent party loses seats.
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we will not be too far from now talking about the midterm elections and all of this is down for the record now. i think one of the things is we functionally have three parties in washington. we have a trump party which is nationalist and populist, we have a republican party that's a conservative party and we have a democratic party and so the issues in the coalitions that we form around issues like infrastructure where republicans are spending a trillion dollars of infrastructure, the ideological pursuits of a paul ryan who wants to privatize medicare signed by trump so you have a republican congress not that's not going to be warm to donald trump's idea of the imposition of 35% tariffs on
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automobiles made outside of the country. this coalition will be very interesting to watch as it starts to functioning in a governing capacity. >> this is -- that's a great point, steve schmidt. thank you for your time tonight. it was great to talk to you. it tees up perfectly the point i wanted to talk about what happened on the governing side. stuff already happened. i have a document here. and that distance between bannon trumpism and ryanism, pencism and what that means for what the government duds. that's the liberty ball that you see on your left. we're expecting the president and the first lady of the united states of america to come in there and maybe say some words and dance and celebrate as the revellers are celebrating the 45th president of the united states sworn in today at noon. lynn sweet, sabrina siddiqui and tim carney are too. don't go anywhere.
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it is inauguration night. that's the liberty ball you're seeing on the left. footage from earlier today. the president and first lady when they got out of the motorcade, out of the limousine, the presidential motorcade and walked for a bit along that parade route and this is a live shot of the gorgeous nation's capit capital. tonight we are expecting the president and first lady will be showing up for a dance at some point. obviously we got our eyes on that. lots going on. have lynn sweet, sabrina siddiqui and tim carney. i have the first executive order signed by the president. this is minimizing the economic burden of the affordable care act and i should say it looks
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like a tremendously sweeping document so i'm going to quote one section for you that gives you a sense of it. "to the maximum extent permitted by law," and that claus will be important "secretary of hhs, heads of all other departments and agencies with authorities under the act shall exercise all authority and discretion of them for-to-waive, defer, grant exemptions from or delay any provision of the requirement of the act that would impose a fiscal burden on a state or cost, fee, regulatory burden on families, health care providers, patient recipients, etc., etc." the key thing about the paragraph is everything about to the maximum extent permitted by law is you can do whatever you want. the question is what does the law abide? >> this law had a thousand clauses that said the secretary shall, the secretary shall, the secretary shall. so some of that went through sort of more formal rule making process but some of that went through less extensive rule making process.
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>> here's the thing because i'm reading this, too and the goal here is to -- you have the power, tim, now, if you were an executive and now remember there's no political appointees in place so i'm not sure who for the short term -- >> this is a good question. >> i cannot answer the question. >> because the hhs secretary designate has not been confirmed. >> i should be clear. this is the first executive order signed by the president of the united states. it has -- we are -- its text has been released. it was signed by the president in the oval office earlier today. it is titled "minimize the economic burden of the affordable care act." >> anything that deals with your critical health, safety, financial or national security matters or the great one, it says here, for some other reason. >> right. the point here is that this is, a, going to be litigated. b, this is the opening battle in what will be the first and biggest battle on the hill. the affordable care act. >> before we get -- just so our listeners know. the bill as tim said being so complex that meant that the -- a
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lot of the regulations, most of them, the guts of it, was really subject to interpretation and rule making by the department of health and human services. it didn't even necessarily have to every dot and "t" crossed didn't get done by congress even with all those 4,000 pages. so this is a law where the guts are dealing with it -- are so much done by hhs and the regulations, that's why this is important. and so when you talk about litigation, you know, step one, let's get someone in there with the power to do something, whatever it is. >> i don't know who the head of the hhs is as of this moment. >> so nothing will happen today or tomorrow. really people, there are people that think, great, i have a problem, this can't affect you in the next week or two. you have to get the people in place but moreover they have to still i think have some process eventually with -- you can't have -- waiver everything forever, right? >> and this is obviously with respect to the health dare law as you said, the biggest and
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most immediate debate confronting congress and i think that the challenge facing republicans in particular is after all these years and, of course, all these vows to repeal and replace obamacare there still isn't consensus within the party, within elected officials in washington on a path forward so you have one camp that is saying just repeal it entirely day one, that was the vow. you have the other camp saying repeal and have a two-year process to come up with a replacement so it wouldn't immediately phase out. then you have to third saying we shouldn't repeal it unless we have a replacement line up. >> and we're still waiting for that replacement plan. >> the amount of work that the obama administration put into building any individual rule, that's the amount of work roughly it takes to dismantle it. so a lot of republicans hope and a lot of democrats fear that trump can undo it with a stroke of a pen, but no. it will take months. >> i would hate too leave here without this. what is this executive order going to do to to insurance market? if you're running an insurance company right now and you're
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trying to price policies, i don't think -- >> i'm glad that you're really worried about aetna and blue cross/blue shield because they deserve our sympathy, too. >> i think what you deserve is an orderly transition to market. i am a health consumer. we all are with our policies. you n't want somebody to jack up your price because now they don't know what the future holds. >> the fear here and the difficulty is controlled demolition, essentially. >> right. >> and pulling out a piece of the jenga tower before things are in place and this is part of the problem they face with repeal and replace. part of the idea that if you send signals into this market -- >> this is one of my criticisms of trump. he tries to make it between words and action and he doesn't realize now he's president his words are action. >> well, this is both and at this hour tonight this is the first executive order and it is to go after obamacare. it's not surprising given the campaign that we've had and the campaign rhett riblg we've had over the last few years. >> and obama's first one was the
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lilly ledbetter fair pay act. >> that's true. lynn sweet, a sabrina siddiqui, tim carney. thank you. there are balls happening all over the city tonight. much celebrating by supporters of the new 45th president of the united states. much more to come, including michael moore. stay with us.
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earlier today, i caught up with documentary filmmaker michael moore at mcpherson square here in washington, d.c. hundreds of thousands headed here for the woman's march tomorrow. moore told me what he thinks about the protest movement, its political power and what protesters can expect from the
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new administration. >> they're dejected today? wait until tuesday. wait until they've had a couple days to sign executive order after executive order or pass laws. they're going to pass laws. watch what they'll do. they'll try to pass these by voice vote. they that's how fast they'll try to push stuff through and a lot of people on my side are going to be like wait. what's going on. here's what's going on. the people that lost won and now they're in power and they have the legal ability to do whatever they want. >> how do you stop that? >> we're not going to stop it. we won't be able to stop a lot of it. let's be honest. there's going to be a political slaughter over the next week or two. that's the fact of it. people are going to be hurt. i'm talking about groups of people by the laws they pass and the executive orders that he signs. but in the end we should be able to form the majority that we are
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to resist, stand up, and fight back. let me give you a small example because we did a dry run of this two weeks ago. so on the night before congress comes back into session the republicans vote in secret to eliminate the office of ethics. and the next morning kellyanne conway goes on the "today" show on "good morning america," 7:00, 8:00 in the morning to basically endorse what the republicans have done in eliminating the office of ethics. i and others immediately, 8:00, 8:30, went on facebook and twitter to say everybody call your member of congress right now. 202-225-3121, call and say absolutely not, you're not going to close this office. and in the words of many of the members i have spoken to since, they called in that hour or two and an avalanche of phone calls, the switch board was jammed, people in congress couldn't talk to each other because the phones were tied up with so many
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thousands of citizens calling. by 10:07, trump tweets -- now, remember kaellyanne conway is a 8:00 saying -- >> i like that you have the ticktock down. >> well, thanks to twitter it's there for history. 10:07 he tweets "maybe we shouldn't close the office of ethics today. we have other more important business to do." i think that since the election, between the election and now he got 46% of the vote, his approval rating today is 38%. what happened to at least 8% of his support? i think there's a lot of buyers' remorse. i know that for a fact because i live in michigan and i know people that twice voted for obama and voted for trump. so they don't like trump, they didn't vote for him liking trump, they're just so angry that they have been been ignored. if you're living in flint michigan you're still drinking poison water, you're still angry, as you should be and you hate them all so trump because
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of the way everybody was like oh, my god this will be the end of the world if trump is president, they're like, oh, okay, end of the world? well, come see what we're living here in flint michigan. you want to see end of the world? i'm voting for trump. so i knew what was going on there. i don't excuse that because -- but i understand that their anger and their despair overroad their understanding that by voting for a racist and voting far misogynist means that they're supporting that. as much as they'll say i'm not -- and they aren't. i don't believe they are. >> what's key there, people conflate his hard core supporters, the people who would travel across the country to be here for his inauguration, and the marginal voters. the reasit's the folks in kin n that, wisconsin, you think those are getting people? >> he's getting them for us. he's our best organizer. >> michael moore earlier today.
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you can see some live footage o protests still happening throughout the city. there was protests all day. most non-violent. some of it property destruction. a limo broke and set on fire. huge amount of people coming in tomorrow. hundreds and thousands. images of planes packed with folks coming in to town for the women's march. we'll talk about how folks are planning to resist after this break. don't go anywhere.
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all right, we are anticipating the president to appear at the liberty ball at some point tonight and despite the president saying "we are going to have an unbelievable, perhaps record-setting turnout for the inauguration" there were, as we pointed out earlier, plenty of people who were not there. including close to 70 democrats who decided to forgo the festivities. one of those lawmakers is maryland congressman jamie raskin. initially congressman raskin assumed he would go to witness the peaceful transition of power and "set aside my grave concerns about trump's bizarre provocations." then he released a statement that read in part "as the hour approaches i realize i cannot bring myself to go. these are not normal times, i cannot pretend as if they are. i will not attend the organization." joining me is congressman jamie raskin from nearby mmaryland. good to have you on set. what was the change of heart?
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>> i was a state senator in maryland for ten years and i went to republican governor hogan's inauguration and i felt it was the right thing to do because i felt his oath meant something. donald trump's oath of office means nothing. he has nothing but disdain for the rule of law and the constitution. he refuses to divest himself of his corporate concerns all over the world that are doing business with foreign governments. continuing to collect millions of dollars, presumably, from the trump hotel which is renting out space every single night this weekend and through the weeks to foreign governments and foreign embassies. he's on a collision course with the emoluments clause and the whole governmental administration looks like a money-making operation to me despite the fact he said he's going to put america first. he's putting the traump family first. >> i will put out something i found interesting we saw the press conference which n which he announced the plan to move ownership to his sons. it was denounced by bipartisan experts as insufficient.
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>> control to the son, not on r onnership. >> good point. >> and the transfership, trump has to find documents in long island, delaware and new york. pro-publica asked if people had received the documents as of 3:15 today, officials said they have not. point being, we don't know if he's taken even the steps he announced. >> even the inadequate steps he claimed he was going to do. no, we'll get those filings at the same time we get his tax returns, i think. >> what about the idea of the peaceful transfer of power, the observance of it? i heard people say look, if hillary clinton can go, anyone can go. ofnyonthat would fd it difficult to be there. >> all i know is when i watch that speech, which was the meanest most low-down insulting inaugural address in american history, deeply divisive and offensive to the obamas, i felt completely vindicated by it and nobody gave me a hard time afterwards, most of my
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constituents were happy i wasn't going. i was hearing from right wingers all over the country. after the speech nobody was complaining anymore. people understood. these are abnormal times. in normal times people go to each other's inauguration regardless of political party. the problems with donald trump go way beyond partisanship. the man acts as though he's completely oblivious to the constitution, to the rule of law and he -- there's an erratic and deranged quality to the things he says and does. this is a very scary moment for the american republic. >> what are you going to do about that as a member of congress in the minority? >> well, i'm on the house oversight and government reform committee and the house judiciary committee so we need to get into this. >> you're on the house oversight and government reform committee. i want to ask you about an instagram jason chaffetz posted in which he's shaking the hand of hillary clinton and he said "i'm so glad she's not president. the investigation continues." he's going to continue to
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investigate hillary clinton. >> this is like a parallel universe, right? here we have the intelligence agencies of the united states saying there was a conscious campaign directed by vladimir putin to undermine hillary clinton, to benefit donald trump and subvert american democracy and they want to go back and relitigate the benghazi investigation in which they've spent tens of millions of dollars on and nothing has come of it. >> congressman jamie raskin, a new congressman just has joined. this is his first term from nearby maryland. >> my first time on your show, too. >> good to have you here. >> thanks so much. much more coming tonight as we continue to follow the protests happening live at this hour in washington, d.c. that have been going on all day and also the balls, the inaugural balls, the traditional balls that celebrate the inauguration of the new president. we are awaiting the president and first lady. they will be on at some point. don't go anywhe.
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last night, on the eve of donald trump's inauguration as the 45th president, the "new york times" dropped a major scoop. i got a push notification ony phone reporting that "american law enforcement a intelligence agencies are examining interc t intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of the broad investigation into possible links between russian officials and associates of trumps including his former campaign chairman paul manafort manafort." manafort denies having any ties to the russian government but this is the latest in a string of reports that says that while the fbi was probing hillary clinton's e-mail server it was investigating members of donald trump's campaign and crucially it only discussed one of those investigations in public. i'm joined -- after a quick break we'll talk to matthew rosenberg, the national security reporter for the "new york times." he will be with us right after this break.
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>> this has been the privilege of my life and i know i speak for michelle as well and we look forward to continuing this journey with all of you and i can't wait to see what you do next and i promise you i'll be right there with you. all right? [ cheers and applause ] god bless you. >> president obama addressed service members at jointase andrews today for his final ight aboard a presidential aircraft bound for vacation in palm springs, california. vice president joe biden and his wife headed home to delaware directly after the inauguration service taking amtrak. biden's legendarily preferred mode of transportation throughout his senate career and vp term. >> hey, guys. back on amtrak! we need to be ready for whatever weather may come our way.
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all right. that is live coverage of the liberty ball where we expect the president and the first lady. i just told you about that report in the "new york times" that there was an active investigation in the "new york times." they ran that last night before the president was inaugurate rated and i'm joined by matthew rosenberg, the reporter for the "new york times" who wrote that story. matthew, why -- how can i ask this. there have been scattered reports pointing in this direction. what do we now know about the nature of this investigation? >> we know they've got intercepted communications that are what clued them into this and exactly the nature of those communication s we're not entirely sure. we believe they were first intercepted on the russian end, so these were russians talking either to people directly involved who were the subject of the investigations or thirty parties talking about what they
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were possibly doing with these people and that that kind of got this going but it is a confluence of a number of investigations that have all come together sort of over the last few months and i think one of the things to keep in mind here is that these investigations, counterintelligence investigations which are looking into people who are trying to potentially curry favor, influence policies, steal secrets, the bar for hoping these things is exceedingly low and prosecutions are very rare. so we're still in this weird place where we don't know what they have. this is also a part of the fbi and part of the intelligence community that doesn't leak that much which is why this stuff can be hard to find out. >> that's important. you say the bar to open such an investigation is go prosecutions are relatively rare but we know the fbi was actively engaged in one of these investigations prior to election day. that is to say while the campaign was happening. >> yes. >> and also obviously
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investigating hillary clinton but we did find out about the ladder. >>e did. >> righ and i think -- and i -- we should be clear what you said about the leaks. you had director james comey speaking on the record but there are leaks coming out of the fbi. and this is weird but i thought it interesting, your own public editor basically asking if your paper, you, the names, were too late in running this story. essentially should this have been something that ran before the election perhaps? looks like the investigation was then. the idea you only publish once every piece of information is fully vetted is a false construct. what's your response to that? >> i think if we were confident we knew they were doing this and they had a substantive investigation going we would have published it as soon as we knew that. we were confident that we knew it yesterday which is why it went online last night in today's paper. it's not something we would sit on or something wernl overly
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cautious about. like we said these things are incredibly sensitive and we are talking about people's lives. you don't want to say somebody is being investigated when there's nothing to it if we're not confident that that's the case. >> i absolutely agree. i think probably huma abedin would agree as well. >> i imagine she would. >> thank, matthew rosenberg, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> you're looking live on the left at the -- sorry, that's the salute to the arms services ball. traditionally what happens the president and first lady make their rounds, they maybe dance at a few of them. we are expecting to see them at some point this evening so you'll want to stay tuned. we'll be back after this break.
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we're back here. a live look at the freedom ball where there will be -- typically there's an appearance by the president and the first lady, folks in there to celebrate the inauguration of our 45th president. joining me now, msnbc contributor joan walsh, national affairs correspondent for the nation. ben jealous, former president and ceo of the naacp and cnbc chief washington correspondent john harwood, political writer for the "new york times." john, you've covered this town for a bit. how is this going to go from the governing stand point and who is going to be running the show? >> well, first of all, we don't
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know even who donald trump is, what his interests are, how interested he is going to be in governing the country we would assume that reince priebus, his chief of staff is pretty interested, but a i've encountered a widespread assumption that mike pence, mitch mcconnell and paul ryan are going to be running the parts of the country that involve legislation but i think there's a lot we don't know and there's a tremendous amount of appointments that have not been made and so we don't know who those people are going to be. >> and we're seeing we had this executive order on the affordable care act which i think if you were watching was a little confusing, we were digesting an executive order in realtime which always makes amazing television. >> it was great. >> thank you very much, thank you. they're still chewing through what that means. i'm watching health policy wonks work this out in realtime. here's what i think is an interesting idea, right? you have populist nationalism on
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this rostrum up there today, on the dais. that was full bannon. it sounds different than ryanism and pencism. the question is do you get that rhetoric and get basically the paul ryan/mike pence agenda? >> that's what i'm afraid of. people has said he's going to block it, he promised not to touch medicare and medicaid, social security. the ryan budget is very different. but i have just a feeling that when they start selling him on it he'll try to sell it to his people as this is a bigger better bolder version of medicaid, this is better for you. i'm saving it, it was the worst, obama ruined. >> it or say we're not privatizing medicare when you're privatizing medicare. >> exactly. say you're divesting yourself or turning your businesses over, you don't turn them over. right. >> it's easier to do that when you're talking about your business than when you're talking about somebody else's medicare. >> right. because you don't get it. >> the opportunity here for
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people who are organizing out there is to try to hold him to his promises. >> yes. >> and there's lots of trump people in places like pennsylvania who have made it clear if you try to take away my health care i'll be locked up trying to shut down your white house. there are people who are really hurting in this country. some came for bernie, some went for trump. trump promised to solve all of their problems. trump has said he's going to increase jobs, he's going to increase wages, he's going to give them something better than the aca. if he starts to not do that, politics in this country get interesting and you'll see lots of people on the left but even some folks who voted for him who aren't really on the right, they just want their lives to get better saying "no, but you promised". >> sooner or later reality catches up. >> well, that's the question. >> what do you do. >> this is a follow-on point on
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the aca executive order. you know, so you're trying to figure out is this a meaningless document put out or really something that has authority that would -- could cripple thes say yay? the problem is republicans know they don't want to immediately cripple the aca so to the extent that that possibility exists it would be counterproductive to their goals. >> that's where we get into the thicket of this when you talk what about the politics is going to look like because let's say it does have power and let's say insurance markets start reacting. you get a big premium hike and they say well, we have this new executive order. you now own that, right? democrats learned the hard way what it means to own american health care. >> right. democrats have to make sure that they own it and, you know -- john is right. i think they want to do a lot of this stuff and have it take effect after the 2018 midterms and not have your premiums go up or not raise the age of medicare ed jiblt.
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>> but i think you'll see more actions shift to the states as people actually try to lead from the areas where we have some control, have some influence and create some insurance against the fact he may try to yank the insurance from so many of our folks. >> there's a bunch of stuff that has been reported in terms of what the agenda looks like. more executive orders coming, the "l.a. times" report had a -- they want deportation raids. they want to do deportation raids and they want them on the nightly news. that's important to start sending out. i thought the most important thing that happened today was this fha, this weird obscure thing that they basically stopped what was going to be a cut in the premium on insurance for people in have fha loans. it's going to cost a million people about $500 a year. first time hone buyers. >> not well off. >> it's a totally obscure piece of policy. to john's point, i'm going to go on a limb and say that was not a donald trump call. and that to me is like -- that's
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where it gets interesting about who exactly is calling the sho s s. and to your michael more interview earlier, this could be one of the cases where you get the right number of phone calls to congressmen and something like that gets revisited. it looks like a land mine laid by the obama administration at the end of their term to put it right in the lap. >> the cut was going to happen. >> exactly. >> let's go back to the deportations we were talking about a second ago. this is a guy who was put in office with 46% of the vote who now a super majority of people in this country don't approve of. most people in the country didn't sign up for this. we didn't sign up for you to come after our neighbors. we didn't sign up for you to create a special registration from muslims or ban them from airplanes so i think this president at some point is going to have to come to grips with his own very low and falling approval ratings. >> so this is the big question. this is the thing i think of because a lot of people made a lot of mistakes in the campaign.
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i was in cleveland. today felt like cleveland. i was at the rnc and cleveland was like -- i was like what's different? it felt emptier, lower, more subdued. part of that is the people that are the institutional framework for the republican party weren't there because they're not trump people. that was the same here at this inauguration. i think the -- ultimately the guy won and how are you feeling about what you learned from the campaign in terms of how you're assessing the politics of this moment? >> i wish that the clinton campaign had not told everybody hey, we've got this in the bag. i think going into the last few days -- >> fight and attack for every last one. >> right. i think a lot of people didn't vote. i'm hearing non-buyers remorse for people who didn't think it was important and now they know it's important so that's part of it. i'm trying not to true huge conclusions from it because she did win. >> 30 million votes. >> but those people that ben is
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talking about and those three states that flipped they are hurting and somehow the message -- >> and -- >> they're hurting in lots of other places. she lost michigan twice and we have to pay attention to that because there are parts of michigan in in most states in this country. >> and they got a lot of promises today. it's inauguration tonight, that's "all in" for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. >> happy inauguration, my friend. nice to spend part of it with you. >> to you as well. thanks for staying with us for the next hour. happy inauguration to you as well. for all americans it's happy inauguration day because any time we have an inauguration it means our republic still exists. and the continual, you know, renewal of there being new presidents is a process that continues. that have in itself formatally is a good thing. who's with me? come on! all right, i have somebody to introduce you to on this fine inaugural friday


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