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you to go while they promise it's going to be the biggest crowds ever. now we'll wait and see if it actually works. that does it for us tonight. we will see you again tomorrow night. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening, rachel. we have michael moore here tonight. i'm not sure i'm going to get anything to say on the show. you just say michael and he goes. >> last time michael moore was here, he left me a note in the makeup room in the voice of god telling me things about michael moore. so i'm look forward to it. >> he has fun when he comes here. thank you, rachel. as i said, michael moore will join us tonight. and we will also be joined by the reporters who asked the last two questions. at president obama's final press conference today. we saw something today that we will probably not see again for at least four years. >> i believe in this country.
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i believe in the american people. >> barack obama has just completed his 39th solo news conference. >> i think a lot of people in the democratic party are going to be looking to him essentially as the de facto leader until there is a next nominee. >> at my core, i think we're going to be okay. >> can you assure this committee that you will not cut one dollar from either medicare or medicaid should you be confirmed to this position? >> senator, i believe that the metric ought to be the care that the patient is receiving. >> i should take that as no? >> tom price is about to take us off a health care cliff. >> i haven't heard anything yet that would persuade me to support him. >> this is not tom price's official confirmation hearing, but this is a hearing that could have repercussions that we'll be talk about for months. >> the only thing is the end of the world is the end of the world. >> it's not the end of the world. that was one of president
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obama's messages today in his final press conference. what may be his final public comments as president of the united states. what is very likely to be the final presidential press conference in the press briefing room in the west wing of the white house. it was stylistically and substantively the die metric opposite of president-elect trump's last week. >> mr. >> go ahead. she is asking the question. >> mr. president-elect, can you -- don be rude. >> if, and that's a big if, donald trump holds pss conferences as president, the trump administration has indicated they will not be in the white house briefing room because it is too small. the trump administration will want to invite gangs of right wing bloggers and talk radio
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shows and supporters to applaud and cheer him on, all of which were present at donald trump's press conference last week. and so team trump has indicated that white house press briefings will move to the eisenhower office building across the street on the white house campus. across the street from the white house. and that all of the reporters who now have cubicles in the west wing will be driven out of the building and herded into the eisenhower office building. all of the reporters present today know that that is what is likely coming their way. so as they listened to president obama's opening remarks, they were surely all thinking that this is probably the last time they will hear a president speak in that room, and they also had to be thinking this would be the last time that they heard a president praise and thank reporters for doing their jobs and fulfilling their essential
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role in our democracy. and between the lines of president obama's thanks to the white house press corps, you know they had to be imagining how much they would miss this man standing before them when the time comes to deal with the trump white house. >> i have enjoyed working with all of you. >> the press is really bad. >> i didn't always agree with your conclusions. >> it's disgusting. be ashamed of yourselves, fellows. >> you're supposed to ask me tough questions. you're not supposed to be complimentary. >> look at all that press. among the most dishonest people in the world. >> you're supposed to cast a critical eye on folks who hold enormous power. and make sure that we are accountable to the people who sent us here. and you have done that. >> the crooked media. you talk about dishonest people. >> a free press. that is part of how this place,
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this country, this grand experiment self-government has to work. >> they are bad people, i'll tell you that. >> so america needs you, and our democracy needs you. >> i would never kill them. i would never do that. >> we need you to establish a baseline of facts and evidence. >> i would never kill them. but i do hate them. and some of them are such lying, disgusting people. >> i want to thank you all for your extraordinary service to our democracy. >> all of the reporters in that room, especially the ones who over eight years badgered the president with what they thought were gotcha questions, the ones who most proudly created the most combative moments in the obama press conferences had to be loong at him today with admiration and respe for his boundless grace and dignity under their fire, something they will not see again for at least another four years.
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the last two questions asked today were asked by my first guests tonight. they are both women who have been white house correspondents for every day of the obama administration. april ryan asked president obama a question about civil rights. and at the very end of that question, she tagged on something a bit more personal. >> you are the first black president. do you expect this country to see this again? >> well, i'll answer the last question first. i think we're going to see people of merit rise up from every race, faith, corner of this country. because that's america's strength. when we have everybody getting a chance and everybody is on the field, we end up being better. and we're going to have a woman president. we're going to have a latino president. we'll have a jewish president, a hindu president.
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who knows who we're going to have. i suspect we'll have a whole bunch of mixed up presidents at some point that nobody really knows what to call them. >> the last question was asked by christy parsons, who has probably been covering barack obama longer than anyone else in that room. she first covered barack obama when he was a member of the state legislature in illinois. in illinois, she did that for the chicago tribune. >> i wonder now how you and the first lady are talking to your daughters about the meaning of this election and how you interpret it for yourself and for them. >> my daughters are something. and they just surprise and enchant and impress me more and more every single day as they grow up. they paid attention to what their mom said during the
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campaign and believed it because it's consistent with what we've tried to teach them in our household and what i tried to model as a father with their mom and what we've asked them to expect from future boyfriends or spouses. but what we've also tried to teach them is resilience. and we tried to teach them hope. and that the only thing that is the end of the world is the end of the world. and so you get knocked down. you get up. brush yourself off, and you get back to work. and that tended to be their attitude. >> joining us now, april ryan and christy parsons. also with us steve schmidt, republican strategist and msnbc political analyst. christy, to start with you, you have been on this long journey
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with president obama, probably covering him longer than anyone in that room today, beginning in that illinois state legislature. what was it like for you in that room today and the man you were watching who you've been covering for so long. what did you see in him now at the end of this journey? >> well, he has changed a lot over the 20 years since i've known him, and certainly over the past eight years the president changes as a person and changes his relationship with the press corps who covers him. he has been vigorously covered by an adversarial independent press. and at the end of the eight-year period he has come to a point of mutual understanding. we sort of understand how he works. he understands how we work. there was an interesting moment as he was coming to me for that final question. he sort of made it a little bit personal, made note of the fact that i had been covering him for a long time, going way back to springfield in 1997. and in that moment i decided to
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change the question that i was planning to ask him. i was going to ask him something about how the eight years had changed the way he looked back on the bush presidency. but i had this question about his daughters in mind that i've been wanting to ask him. and it just seemed like maybe he was in a personal moment and might be open to a question like that. and i think that was one of the more personal i've ever heard him give to a question, more reflective. but it's taken a long time to get to the place where the people in that room can read him like we do. but it's happened and it's now a skill that will not be valuable after friday. but it was useful today. >> christy, i'm so glad you changed your question. that really gave us i think one of the more beautiful moments in the history of presidential press conferences. and to see him speak, i hope for all fathers when he said that
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line about how his daughters always enchant and surprise him. april ryan, what was it like for you being in that room today, and how did that room feel different today than it has on other days? >> one, it was so crowded. christy can attest to that. it was overly crowded. but in anticipation, i guess. the crowdedness was about anticipating the words of the first black president, his last words to the press, and basically to the media, to the world at his last press conference. what it meant is an end of a historic era. we were there to see the first african american president of this nation to watch him govern not for one term, but for two. and to listen to what he had to say. and with my question, the first part of the question, i wanted to go back to something that he had said on the flight going to selma for the anniversary of bloody sunday. when he said something to the
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effect that what he iere to do is to close the gaps that remain, the equality gaps that remain. and he talked about those. and he said equality is still a problem. the fight for equality is still a problem in this nation. he talked about voting rights, and he also talked about the issue of criminal justice. those are some of the top issues when it comes to closing the gaps. the racial disparity gaps in this nation. so to hear that from the fist black president after his eight-year term, and then going into what we're going into, it was very interesting and historic to hear those words. >> steve schmidt, i think everything the president said today is what we would have heard him say if hillary clinton was taking over on friday, except of course the last question about his daughters being disappointed in the election. but even though he said all these things, especially in its reduction where he was very graciously thanking the press for its work, those things sounded like they were being
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directed at the incoming administration, particularly something the president said about how valuable it was to have the reporters working there in the building, in the west wing. let's listen to that part of it. >> having you in this building has made this place work better. it keeps us honest. it makes us work harder. >> and steve, with the trump administration talking about kicking the reporters out of the building, you couldn't hear him say that without thinking what might be coming. >> no, of course. look, the press has had difficult times with this president, this white house there has been long-standing complaints about access, comments that the president made tonight very similar to the comments that president george w. bush, who had difficult moments with the media made as he gave his farewell news conference remarks eight years earlier. but they do take on a special import, i think, when we look at e degree of animosity, the
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aggressive attacks by the commander in chief, the steward of the american constitution. you know, when he attacks the press, he is showing a lack of faithfulness with the spirit of the first amendment. and i think it's an important reminder that american democracy doesn't function without an adversarial, without a free press. and despite all the criticisms of the media, many of them well-deserved over the course of this election, it's important to remember the vital necessity of a courageous free press covering, holding to account people who hold, as the president said, great power in this country. >> i want to play something else that the president said about the press in his introductory remarks. and again, imagine hillary clinton or anyone else being inaugurated on friday. he surely would have said something just like this. but because of the trump relationship to the press, it sounds -- it can be interpreted as something he was saying
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directly to the trump administration. let's hear what he said about his hope is for the press dealing with the next administration. >> my hope is that you will continue with the same tenacity that you showed us to do the hard work of getting to the bottom of stories and getting them right. and to push those of us in power to be the best version of ourselves. and to push this country to be the best version of itself. >> christy, what was the buzz after the fact among you reporters in the room about those comments? >> well, it's always surprising to hear any political source thanking the press for holding their feet to the fire. it's not usually something that people enjoy. but i think at the end of eight years, he could look back and realize that it was so clear as his presidency unfolded that obama was better when he was under fire, when he was getting tough questions, when he could
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watch the news briefing every day and watch his press secretary getting tough questions, he got better at answering those questions, not just when he came out to talk to us, but in addressing them as he was carrying out and implementing his policy. so i think what most of the people in the room have been there for a very long time and have watched, know how that relationship has played out. certainly he was acknowledging it as well. but it's always surprising as reporters to hear someone say hey, thanks for really putting my feet up to the fire that was great. >> april, we're watching the president go out at the top of his game in terms of the approval rating of the american public. he is going out at 60%. that's kind of the opposite way that his predecessor left at kind of a low point in his approval polling. and my sense is you could feel that in the room today too. >> yes, you cod. u coul feel a president who was leaving. he was walking in his stride. he wasalking in his stride. and he was leaving on a high note. you would think that he would be
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doing the wrong thing, he might have stepped on himself after having that farewell speech. but he actually didn't. he actually gave us a bit more. he knew what to say, how to say it. he didn't know what we were going to ask. but he definitely knew, he pretty much figured out where we were going. but he knew how to answer it, and he kept it going. and he is walking in his stride. and he is leaving on a high note. and he did not -- i don't think he didn't receive any negatives today. i believe he really got a lot of thumbs-up today. >> steve schmidt in the history of polling, we have an incoming president scoring the lowest poll numbers ever, the latest cbs poll showing donald trump with a 37% approval rating. and we all know that that is usually the high point in a new president's polling approval. and it only goes down from there once they go to work day to day at that job. >> look, when you look past the
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span, this is a very worrying number i think for this incoming administration. the reality is despite the claims of a mandate, has the president-elect lost the popular vote by 2.8 million. he won narrowly across three states in the upper midwest. he was elected with 46%. his approval rating is down to 37 on a day that should be the high watermark. and so what's true in all white houses is the first campaign meeting for reelection will take place some time secretly later this week. and so for donald trump to be a two-term president like barack obama was, he is going to have to expand his coalition. he can't see it retract. so over the course of the transition, the coalition that elected him from a favorability perspective hasn't expanded, it's contracted. so politics is a gym of addition, not subtraction. if he is going to be there for eight years like this president was, he is going to have to grow. and he hasn't done that over the
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course of his transition. so in the weeks ahead now, we've seen all the talk. but now he will have the power. and republicans hold all the levers of power in government. it's their job to govern. and the american people will make a judgment on how they're doing. i think we'll have a real good sense, about 100 days from now, about how this administration is doing. and, you know, how reality has met the rhetoric. >> steve, just a couple of seconds before we go on this. but i wanted to get a quick last word from you about republicans on capitol hill because a president's popularity and approval numbers are one of the most important engines in getting in a president's agenda through congress. we've never seen anything as weak as this with the incoming president before. what does that mean to the trump agenda in congress? >> i think, lawrence, this is the closest this country has ever had to a coalition government. we have three parties in washington, a democratic party that is at its weakest points
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since the 1920s, a republican party, a conservative party and a donald trump party, a nationalist party that coalition agrees on some issues and it disagrees on other issues. you see that playing thought the testimony of the cabinet nomination. so they'll agree to reduce taxes. they'll agree in a supreme court nomination. but when paul ryan sends up the medicare privatization bill, donald trump is not going to do that. there is going to be fierce resistance to a trillion dollars in infrastructure spending. and these fault lines in that coalition and essentially i think a three-party town now are going to be very visible for everybody to see in about six months' time. >> steve schmidt, thank you for joining us tonight with your perspective. and christi parsons, thank you for joining us on this historic night, which is also a historic night for your career in covering barack obama. really appreciate you joining us. >> thank you. >> and thank you to april ryan. she is the author of the new book "at mama's knee: mothers
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and race in black and white." april, again, thank you once again for joining us. really appreciate it. >> thanks, lawrence. coming up, donald trump's nominees in their confirmation hearings continuing to disagree with donald trump. it's the only way they can get through it. michael moore and david corn will join us with a look at those confirmation hearings. had. the classes, the friends, the independence. and since we planned for it, that student debt is the one experience, i'm glad she'll miss when you have the right financial advisor, life can be brilliant. ameriprise mone hundred thousand times a day, sending oxygen to my muscles. again! so i can lift even the most demanding weight. take care of all your most important parts with centrum. now verified non gmo and gluten free.
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nbc news has confirmed that donald trump has completed the selection of members of his cabinet with the choice of former georgia governor sonny purdue to be agriculture secretary. purdue was a veterinarian before becoming georgia's first governor. the dallas news reports the trump administration will now be the first one since 1988 without a hispanic cabinet member. coming up, donald trump's nominees. some of them having a rough day in the senate. and later tonight, a very special last word. barack obama gets tonight's last word.
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literally crawling, but there is some movement on the eastside overpass. getting word of another collision. [burke] it happened. december 14th, 2015. and we covered it. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ noaa, nasa has declared 2016 the hottest year in the 137-year-old record that has been kept. donald trump has called global warming a hoax caused by the chinese. do you agree that global warming is a hoax? >> i do not, senator. >> so donald trump is wrong? >> i do not believe that climate change is a hoax. >> and so confirmation hearing continued today with some trump nominees once again finding themselves compelled to disagree with donald trump. and somehow at the same time avoid the sentence donald trump is wrong.
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here is governor nikki haley disagreeing with donald trump in her confirmation hearing for ambassador to the united nations. >> russia is trying to show their muscle right now. it is what they do. and i think we always have to be cautious. i don't think that we can trust them. i think that we have to make sure that we try and see what we can get from them before we give to them. >> the most contentious hearing of the day was republican congressman tom price's appearance before the health, education, labor and pensions committee. >> did you buy the stock and then did you introduce a bill that would be help to feel the companies you just bought stock in? >> the stock was bought bay broker who was making those decisions. i wasn't making those decisions. >> this is someone who buys stock at your direction. this is someone who buys and sells the stock you want them to buy and sell. >> not true. >> so when you found out -- >> that's not true, senator. >> well, because you decide not to tell them? wink, wink, nod, nod, and we're
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all supposed to believe that? >> joining us now, david corn, washington bureau chief for mother jones and an msnbc political analyst. david, there is so much in tom price's confirmation hearing, from policy which was handled extensively, health care policy, to also these issues of the stock trades, which has become sort of the biggest problem it seems that a nominee has had in this area. >> well, he sort of became a poster boy for the swamp with his hearings and with stories that have come out in the past week. my favorite being that he was -- he got a tip so to speak from another republican congressman, congressman collins about getting in early on a health company's stock. and these guys are in charge of the laws that regulate these folks. and he bought big. he made -- i think the value of the stock went up four times. and he was sort of saying no big deal today. if there is anything that donald trump or he seemed to stand for
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was that washington was a cesspool of corruption and self-dealing. and today congressman price said yeah. i'm that guy, and i'm proud of it. not a single republican blanched at these ethical dilemmas. and it was all left to the democrats. >> well, one republican tried to compare these buying of individual stocks to other democrats on the committee who have mutual funds with hundreds of stocks in them, none of them individually chosen by the senators themselves. which is really completely invalid comparison. let's listen to patty murray talking about another stock trade. >> you in your own words talked with congressman collins about innate immuno. this inspire you'd to in your own words study the company and then purchase its stock. and you did so without a broker.
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yes or no? >> no. >> without a broker? >> i did not. i did it through a broker. i directed the broker to purchase the stock, but i did it through a broker. >> you directed the broker to purchase particularly that stock? >> that's correct. >> david, i think people sitting there watching this were thinking wait a minute. how is it that they can even buy individual stocks? it seems elementary that congress should be -- a member of congress should not be allowed to buy and sell individual stocks. big mutual funds that retirement funds handle fine. big giant bundles of stock where no individual stock matters that much. but buying and selling individual stocks, if he wasn't using inside information, everything he did was perfectly legal. a question now is should it be. >> well, of course not. this guy is making laws and acting on regulations and holding hearings and they'll be in charge at hhs on regulating
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companies like this. and the idea that you could go out and not just buy a couple shares here and there, but an inside position, and the only privilege people get when a stock offering is first made available, you and i can't buy that stock. and so it's not just, you know, kind of improper to have stocks in companies you regulate, but to get the inside track, how can you not think favorably about that company or any of the company doing business with it or company that you might be interested in buying stock? it's just too much to ask anyone. and it was kind of -- i thought he look kind of foolish trying to defend it today. but this is where we are. and, you know, what do they say? a fish rots from the head down. donald trump doesn't give a damn about financial conflicts of interest. and he has sent a signal to everyone. i can just see kids in the eighth grade now saying hey, hey, hey, i can invest money in my teacher's soccer team, and
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it's okay. he is a signal to everybody that it's all whatever you can get away with. the rules, the norms do not matter. >> and on policy issues, tom price has disagreements with donald trump on cutting medicare, which he has supported. donald trump doesn't want. to but he handled himself verbally very smoothly throughout the hearing, including when he was facting the policy differences he has with bernie sanders. let's listen to what he said when bernie sanders asked him if he thinks all americans have a right to health care. >> i believe, and i look forward to working with you to make certain that every single american has access to the highest quality care and coverage that is possible. >> has access to does not mean that they are guaranteed health care. i have access to buying a $10 million home. i don't have the money to do that. >> david corn, that' always been the distinction, that republicans can use is the notion of access to. >> yeah. i mean, that was a great line from bernie sanders. the democrats are going to have
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to hit this really hard again and again and again so that people out there realize that when republicans and maybe donald trump will start using this terminology that access, access to health care, access to health insurance is that what they mean is yeah, if you can pay for it. otherwise, we don't give a damn. and that's their talking point. it's well honed for years. and you saw congressman price making good use of it. it has to be called out because, you know, we're entering this big fight over what is going to replace obamacare. trump says he wants insurance for everybody, access to it, or actually real insurance? >> you can certainly see why tom price is donald trump's choice. he is possibly the smoothest republican debater on the subject of health policy, and a physician himself. david corn, thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> sure thing. up next, someone who has done a documentary about health care in america and around the
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tonight protesters in washington, d.c. organized what they called a queer dance party at mike pence's house. an lgbt group obtained a permit for their dancing demonstration. mike pence's neighbors would have objected to that permit, but they didn't, and presumably some of them joined the dancing. the dance party got under way at 6:00 p.m. tonight.
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tomorrow michael moore is leading a protest at trump international hotel and tower in new york city. and joining us now is the leader of tomorrow's protest, michael moore, academy award-winning documentary filmmaker. no singing tonight, okay? do not try to -- the last time you were here. >> well, you know, it was the holidays. >> you're a good singer. i am not. i cannot -- >> it doesn't matter. >> tomorrow -- by the way, will you be doing the dance party? >> the gay dance party in washington, d.c.? i think if you go back and freeze-frame it, i saw pence out there. >> ah could, be out there. >> you couldn't tell. he had his rainbow on. >> we'll study the video. will there be dancing tomorrow? >> there is going to be a lot of things going on. this is going to be massive rally right here in the center of manhattan. >> you, marc ruffalo. >> marc ruffalo, myers, alec baldwin, rosy perez. and then a whole bunch of really great activist leaders on all the issues that we're going to
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be -- we're going to kick off 100 days of resistance. the first 100 days of donald j. trump. and we're one piece of this. this is happening all over the country. but tomorrow we want to sort of ignite this thing here, nonviole, peaceful demonstration. it's at the trump hotel now, not trump tower. >> columbus circle. >> on columbus circle, 6:00 p.m. and they're telling us, the police are expecting thousands. >> you have permits. >> oh, yes, absolutely. permits. and i'll be speaking. marc ruffalo will be speaking, others that you mentioned. it's going to be a great rally to celebrate the fact that barack obama is still president of the united states. >> yes, he is. yes he is. >> and to sort of kind of get us all together to get ready for what is really going to be a whole weekend of inaugural protests across the country. but especially in washington, d.c. the big women's march on saturday.
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it's -- the latest numbers i heard are amazing. i'm not surprised. but i would encourage people to get there early. it starts at 10:00 a.m. on the corner of independence and third down towards the capitol off the mall there. and it's going to go back all the way up independence avenue towards the washington monument. anybody who can make it there should be there. they're now predicting it will be the largest anti-inaugural demonstration ever at any president's inaugural. they've never had this many protesters who are going to be there at the march. i'm going to speak. others are going to speak. gloria steinem is speaking, scarlett johansson. there is a whole list of great people. and every day people like from flint fighting the water thing, they're going to be there. >> is there a focus to your protests tomorrow, your demonstration tomorrow that is different from the saturday protest? >> yes. our protest tomorrow is to kick off these 100 days of resistance. we're going to -- >> by the way, how does it feel that your 100 days of resistance
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will be against the least popular incoming president in the history of polling? >> i know what you're saying, lawrence. it kind of makes our job a little easy. >> well, no it's not an easy job. but it's a different thing if someone was coming in with a 70% approval rating, and you're standing up there trying to enlist protest. >> that is right. i was at president nixon's inaugural in 1973. that was a different situation. all i remember are the capitol police, park service horses chasing us off. but yes, this is a different time. i'm joking about that it's easy. it's not easy obviously, you know. some of us are trying to keep our sense of humor, because what we have in front of us is something like we've never seen before. and we know it's going to be bad and very bad. for a lot of people. and believe me, when i heard yesterday on nbc that trump had cut back on the parade, and now it's going to be a 90-minute parade, some of these parades, as you know go three to four
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hours. 90 minutes. they're saying well, it's because he couldn't get the big names. i think it's honestly, because be ready. he is going to get in there, and he is going to start signing those executive orders. he doesn't want to be sitting out at a parade. he wants to start doing the damage to the american people that he promised us he was going to do. and i believe he will do it. >> let's squeeze in a quick break here. i want to get your reaction. you're an expert o health care in america and other countries, having studied it. i want to get your reaction to some of the policy discussions going on this week. we'll be right back with michael moore.
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any other country on the earth. we have the highest rate of childhood poverty of any other country on the earth, and half of all senior workers have nothing set aside for retirement. i don't think compared to other countries we are particularly passionate. >> back with us, michael moore. and michael, i think among people not currently working in the senate, i probably logged in watch mortgage hours of senate hears than anyone else out here. i have never seen somebody do what bernie sanders just did. and jump in there and say no we are not a compassionate society, and here is why. here is how we prove it every day. >> yeah, there are certain rules. >> yeah, that's one of them. >> you can't say we're not, number one in everything. that was an amazing moment. and it's a painful moment. we laughed -- i laughed, well, i was watching it just now. >> because it was the inappropriate thing at church. that's what makes you laugh when you hear that. >> correct. but then immediately the sadness of that statement that we know
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is true. and what makes it -- >> by the way, no one fought that statement. no republican said how dare you. >> no, nobody said shame on you, senator sanders, no, no, no. >> right. >> we know the truth in it. we know the truth in that statement. so it's like we don't want to be that way. and we know we're better than this. we are better than this. we can be compassionate. why we allow so many tens of millions to live in poverty, why senior citizens are once again living in fear that they're just not going to be able to make it. they can't even get somebody to say i won't cut medicaid or medicare. i won't cut social security. just say it. it's like pulling teeth watching these hearings. it's been -- i don't know what to compare it to. i've never seen anything like it. it's frightening. most people if they're working haven't seen these things during the day. but boy, don't go back and watch any of it. it's too depressing. >> i want you to take a look at
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betsy devos' confirmation. >> devos. >> devos. she is from michigan. your michigan diction and your pronunciation. >> i know her well. here she come. >> in a 2015 speech on education, you were pretty blunt. quote, government really sucks. and you called the public school system a, quote, dead-end. in order to clarify, you never attended a public k-12 school, correct? >> and your children never did? >> correct. >> and you have never taught at a public k-12 school? >> i've not, but i've mentored in one. >> why not secretary of public education. >> bernie asked her the same question. do you think if you had contributed $200 million. >> >> her family. >> her family in the past years do you think you would be in this position? she proudly admitted in her opening statement that she did not attend public schools ever, she only went to christian schools. but we know her in michigan.
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she has destroyed or helped to destroy our school systems, defunding them in lansing. supporting of for-profit charter schools. she has helped to create what is now a billion dollar a year for profit charter school testimony in michigan. it's one of the saddest things that i've seen happen over the last decade or so. she with the republican governor, republican legislature, which are all by the way little red flags because we -- michigan has been electing these republicans, you know. i kept sending little notes to the clinton campaign, please pay attention to this. you know, hillary lost by only two votes per precinct in michigan. two votes. but betsy devos, who is from the amway family, multibillionaires, they are on a mission. there are koch brothers, and frankly number two or three after the koch brothers in terms of the amount of contributions
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they made to right wing groups and republican candidates over the past umpteenth years. and she is the sister of erik prince, the founder of blackwater. so this is -- the west side of michigan, there is a lot of this kind of craziness that goes on over there. with all due respect to the people who live there, my friends. but i beg people to call their members of congress tomorrow, 202-225-3121. you can -- they'll actually put you through. if you don't know who your member of congress, just give them your zip code. they'll put you through, and tell them you care about your kids' education. you cannot allow betsy devos to be the secretary of education. this would just be a crime. i mean, look, we can do this to ourselves. but why do it to the kids? you talk about not being compassionate. >> michael moore, thank you very much. >> thank you, lawrence. come on out and join us tomorrow 6:00 p.m. columbus circle. >> you want to put this out again? >> no christmas song this time.
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i believe that people are more good than bad. i believe tragic things happen. i believe there is evil in the world. but i think at the end of the day, if we work hard and if we're true to those things in us that feel true and feel right, that the world gets a little better each time. that's what this presidency has tried to be about. and i see that in the young people i've worked with. i couldn't be prouder of them. and so this is not just a matter of no drama obama. this is what i really believe. it is true that behind closed doors i curse more than i do publicly, and sometimes i get mad and frustrated like everybody else does. but at my core, i think we're going to be okay. we just have to fight for it. we have to work for it and not take it for granted. and i know that you will help us
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do that. thank you very much, press corps. good luck! msnbc's live coverage continues into the 11th hour with brian williams. that's next. the time can now be measured in hours until the inauguration of donald j. trump now facing new questions on the subject of russia and intelligence gathering. the departing 44th president reveals what it would take for him to speak up during a trump presidency and reminds his fellow democrats this is not the end of the world. tonight an unlikely group of voters who delivered the white house to the president-elect. those who went for obama twice and then trump where and how did the democrats lose them and what do they expect from the new guy? plus the latest from houston where the former president and former first lady are both hospitalized.

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