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luther king jr. said, hate is too heavy a burden to bear. and the twitter face-offs don't end there. trump takes on the intel community, undermines nato and appears to sing a different tune about repealing obamacare and what will replace it. we take you live to the national mall where we have a front row view at what it takes to protect the peaceful transition of power. let's begin this hour with trump battling congressman john lewis after the civil rights icon questioned the legitimacy of his soon-to-be presidency. the feud between the two men still hot the very day the nation honors the life of martin luther king jr. trump met with mlk iii who spoke to reporters moments ago before leaving trump tower. >> in the heat of emotion, a lot of things get said on both sides. and i think that at some point, you know, i am, as john lewis and many others are, a bridge built. the goal is to bring america
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together and americans. we are a great nation, but we must become a greater nation. and what my father represented, my mother represented through her life, what i hope that i'm trying to do is always bring people together. >> republicans, meanwhile, are trying to turn the tables on lewis, criticizing him for refusing to attend trump's inauguration. >> for someone of john lewis' stature, to lend credibility to the baseless assertions of those who question the legitimacy of this election is deeply disappointing. i hope he reconsiders it. >> barack obama should step up as well and call it what it is. it's wrong what is happening. it's wrong how some of these democrats are treating president-elect trump. >> the president-elect has a right, as he's done over and over again, of fighting back and making sure that he shows that he's not going to sit back and just take attacks without responding. >> that's not about president-elect trump alone. it is the peaceful transfer of power.
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>> a growing number of democrats in congress are joining lewis in refusing to attend trump's inauguration. just hours ago congressman lewis spoke out for the first time since his public spat with trump began. >> i said to you as young men, the future leaders of this state, the future leader of this nation, the future leader of the world, we must never, ever hate the way of love is a better way. >> joining me now from the capitol is hallie jackson and mariana is live in miami where congressman lewis address aid crowd at the mlk breakfast. hallie, let's start with you. democrats would like donald trump to call congressman lewis to smooth things over. is there any indication at all that trump might be open to doing that? >> reporter: no indication, katy. as you know, the president-elect can be at times unpredictable so you can never rule anything out. that said, look at what his team has been saying all morning long when asked about this up. heard it from incoming press
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secretary sean spicer a couple times this morning that essentially congressman lewis started it, so the thinking goes, why should donald trump have to call up and either say he's sorry or extend the olive branch. again, spicer and other members of the transition team are not ruling out that could potentially happen. obviously, they say the president-elect has open lines of communication to a lot of folks here on capitol hill. that being said, katy, this is one simmering on this mlk day holiday. you know, i wouldn't be surprised if we saw maybe a tweet or a comment from donald trump, but he did have the opportunity just in the last 20 minutes to come down and address reporters. he appeared sort of at the doors at the golden elevator at trump tower 20 minutes ago and chose not to come out and address the press about it, knowing he would certainly be getting questions about this. >> is there any concern behind the scenes that maybe this is a battle they can't win. of course, they're getting into a fight with a civil rights hero and it's spilling over into martin luther king jr. day. are they concerned about
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backlash in areas of this country where maybe they did not win a majority of support? >> reporter: i would like at the public comments being made by members of the transition team in which none of them are backing down from the president-elect's comments. that is typical from what we've seen from the president-elect and his team for the last, what, 60-plus days now, ever since the election. you know, as much as you are seeing republicans, like, for example, marco rubio thread the line a bit saying they disagreed, perhaps, with john lewis, that donald trump is not a legitimate president, but crediting, as you called him, civil ryan icon, freedom fighter, for being not all just talk and no action but the opposite. this may be one that simmers for a couple days and then dies down. i think the bigger story is who is not attending the inauguration on friday and what that means for democrats on capitol hill working with the president-elect and his team moving forward. >> hallie jackson just mentioned marco rubio. he was at an mlk breakfast with
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john lewis in miami, where we find mariana. dp congressman lewis address this fight at all and what was the message he was hoping to send today? >> reporter: so, congressman john lewis did not mention this very public feud with president-elect trump that has dominated the headlines just days before the inauguration. it was highly anticipated that he was going to give remarks reacting to donald trump's tweets, essentially calling him all talk and no action. there was even a media availability here that was canceled last minute. but john lewis did give a very emotional speech to a young crowd here in miami, remembering martin luther king's legacy. he did allude to the controversy by talking about standing up for what you believe in, about the power. vote, which he called the single most powerful nonviolent weapon. he also reflected on his political career, the fact he was elected to congress in 1986. we do know, of course, he has attended every inauguration since, except for this one if he follows through on this word.
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something florida senator marco rubio told me, he thinks lewis should reconsider. >> thank you both for joining me, ladies. joining me now from san francisco, democratic congressman mark desaul nichlni. congressman, first, i want to ask you, you were not going to go to this inauguration even before this spat with john lewis. do you believe that donald trump is a legitimate president since you weren't planning on going, period? >> well, katy, first for having me on. he received enough votes through the electoral college so he is the incoming president. in terms of his legitimacy and what the russians have done, i think it will take some time and maybe history to quantify that. at this point, i'm not ready to
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say he's not legitimately elected president. >> how do you feel about some of your colleagues or at least one of your colleagues, john lewis, coming out and saying he doesn't believe he is legitimate. how do you feel about not going to the inauguration when there's criticism that the democratic party isn't trying to help make sure that someone like donald trump is a successful president? >> well, first, let me say, john lewis is the most respected member of congress, as you have said, a civil rights icon. so, i have great, great respect for john lewis. i think it was a tremendous mistake by the president-elect to confront john lewis. on the other side, this is a personal decision by myself. i waited until a wednesday press conference to make my decision. i just don't feel right about being in attendance with the president-elect. i had hoped he would grow into the office, but his constant attack on american decency, irrespective of whether you're republican or democrat, i think, is a real problem for this country and it was a problem for me.
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>> and, nina, congressman barbara lee was on with my college hallie jackson. she asked her multiple times if she believed donald trump was a legitimate president. she ducked three times. take a listen and we'll react on the other side. >> jerry nadler this morning agreeing with john lewis that donald trump is not a legitimate president. is he? >> let me first say to you that we have to realize and recognize what this means when a foreign power interferes in our elections. >> so, do you agree with him then, because of russian interference donald trump is illegitimate? but on the issue of whether donald trump is legitimate, do you think he is on january 20th going to be the legitimate president of the u.s.? >> donald trump, first of all, will be sworn in as the president of the united states. >> i'm asking -- >> are you worried about statements like that undermining the democratic process, nina? >> a little, katy.
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everyone has the right to their own opinion but they don't have a right to their own set of facts. although all of the intelligence agencies have come out very clearly to say russia meddles, i.e., there was some hacking of e-mails across the board, what they did not say is russians voted on election day. what they did not say is russians interfered with the voting machines themselves. we did have a free and fair election. the russians did not write the e-mails. that being said, there needs to be a full investigation because as the united states of america, we cannot allow any power, whether it's russia, china or any other power, even domestically, to be able to impact our elections or we must -- we got to deal with the cyber war threat we face in the 21st century across the board. president-elect trump is legitimate. even president obama has said that. so, my democratic colleagues have to come to grips with that and we have to decide what we're going to do moving forward to win elections. that starts this year, next year
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and beyond. >> let's talk about that. you were a big supporter of bernie sanders. how does the democratic party find a way to capture the enthusiasm that bernie sanders enjoyed during the primaries but then also make sure that that gets carried on into the general election and is a message that a growing segment of this country can rally behind, one that is bigger than, say, donald trump's growing amount of support? >> absolutely. we have to speak to the hearts and souls of people. not chastise people. when they say they're hurting, we have to affirm they are. dr. reverend jesse jackson talked about class and cast. we have to do both. it's not either or. when president obama took office, let's face it, everything was in the dumps, no doubt about it. he through his leadership and leadership of others to raise our this nation up. that does not mean we don't have
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higher to go. although the unemployment rate is lower, the quality of people of life for people has not advanced, has not kept up with that. instead of working one and a half jobs people find themselves working three and four. when people say, ouch, katy, the democratic party has to say, we hear you, we feel your pain. not only are we going to have the most progressive platform, we'll have people who stand up for the people. 13 senators vote the other day, democrats the other day, not to lower the prices of pharmaceuticals by allowing those pharmaceuticals to come from canada, that's one example of people who talk the talk but they don't walk the walk. >> don't just rely on facts and figures you see on paper, instead go out, take the pulse, talk to communities, get out there. thank you for joining me. also congressman. guys, enjoy your mlk day and happy inauguration week. meanwhile, we're asking you in today's microsoft pulse question, do you think it's disrespectful for members of congress to boycott
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president-elect trump's inauguration? weigh in at we'll share your responses throughout the hour. donald trump at odds with brennan suggesting that twitter -- suggesting through twitter that, perhaps, the cia director himself leaked that unverified dossier. why would he do this? why target the very people he needs to keep america safe? also ahead, international reaction to trump's new round of tweets suggesting a lift on russian sanctions and calling nato obsolete. i'm worried i can't find a safe used car. you could start your search at the all-new that might help. show me the carfax? now the car you want and the history you need are easy to find. show me used minivans with no reported accidents. boom. love it. [struggles] show me the carfax. start your used car search and get free carfax reports at the all-new
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what i think mr. trump has to understand is this is more than being about him. it's about the united states and national security. and he has to make sure that now that he's going to have the opportunity to do something, as
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opposed to talking and tweeting. he's going to have tremendous responsibility to make sure that u.s. national security interests are protected and are advanced. >> that right there, cia director john brennan over the weekend, where he opened up a new front in trump's fight with the intelligence community. trump fired back on twitter, going as far as suggesting brennan might be responsible for leaking that damaging and unverified dossier against the president-elect. the divide threatens to undermine the core relationships of the president, between him and, of course, the intelligence community. here to talk us through it, msnbc's pentagon correspondent hans nichols and msnbc host and political correspondent steve kornacki who joins me here on set. guys, thank you for being here. hans, let's start with you. talk to me about what means for donald trump amidst all the tension oversaes in the middle east, tension in europe, this mistrust between the intelligence community and democratic party and russia, what does it mean that donald trump is fighting with the ig or
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ic, and how does that play out going forward? >> well, it's going to make it bigger and more difficult task for his incoming cia director and his incoming dni, dan coats has been nominated for that, and mike pompeo on the cia side. their jobs will be both to provide intelligence to their main client, their number one client, the president of the united states, but also assure the intelligence community, folks out there every day ri risking their lives that this president is interested in what they're doing, interested in what they have to say and has full confidence in the documents and tid by the ways of information they give him. >> talk to me about those out in the field, not those on television, but those carrying out operations, in harm's way. from talking to your sources in the pentagon, do you have any feeling that there is deep concern and reservations about their safety and what necessity are doing overseas, their mission? >> not yet.
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i want to be very careful on that. we haven't quite gotten to that level. most of the overseas operators in the cia are case officers. they typically work out of an embassy. they're out there running people, trying to get information, trying to get intelligence. here's the challenge for whoever the next cia director will end up being, we think mike pompeo. you have diplomatic constraints. you almost have quotas in every embassy on how many undercover opera tifs you can have working there. there's a separate program called nonofficial covers, people coming in, pretending to be businessmen, selling some sort of glassware. they're a lot less of them. that program has come under some harsh criticism from republicans and democrats, mainly republicans, simply, it doesn't work as well as advertised. all this will have to be -- when we look at the russia issue it has added urgency.
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>> steve, people like mike pompeo isn't -- he's not going to criticize the cia. general james mattis isn't going to criticize the intelligent community but we're seeing donald trump's own transition really double down on what the president-elect is saying. let's take a listen to what sean spicer, incoming white house press secretary said, and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> i think when you see someone that's supposed to be a trusted confidential adviser go out and make silly comments like this, it really makes you question what else that they've said or done. and i think that's where the president-elect's coming from on this. >> what does it mean for his team -- donald trump saying outrageous thing but what about his team to come out and criticize someone like john brennan? >> it means we're four days away from inauguration now that this idea of donald trump bending in any way to the proet kols of washington, protocols of diplomatic norms and customs, not going to happen during the
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transition. the wild card, obviously, is -- you say pompeo is going in there. he'll have some of his own people in there, coats n these intelligence positions after this friday, or when they're confirmed, so will that change things a little bit. it is amazing. people looking for donald trump since the election, since he gave that speech on election night, people looked and said, maybe this is the start of a new tone. his very basic rule with donald trump, if you say anything negative about him in public, he finds something and he comes right back at you. doesn't matter if you're the cia director, doesn't matter if you're a foreign leader. he's going to do that to everybody. >> i mean, we know this on the campaign trail. he always said he could be the most boring person ever. he could be the most presidential person ever. that he would be -- tweet less when he gets into office. the idea he's going to change in any way is almost laughable at this point because we haven't seen him do it. that being said, donald trump lives in a self-actualized universe and he can do whatever he wants. but are we going to have to adjust or is the intelligence community going to have to
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adjust, congress, government going to have ato adjust, to del with donald trump who tweets foreign policy, tweets attacks. has the bar changed? >> no, everybody has to adjust. everybody has to change because we're dealing -- whether you like it or not, we're dealing with somebody who will conduct the business of the presidency very differently than anybody before. there is no template for it. ether you think it's right or wrong, whether you think it's confusing as heck he's doing, it he's going to be doing it. this is going to be almost a full-time job the next four years, interpreting s this a tweet that's actually a declaration of policy, is this just him blowing off steam? we've never had to have these calculations before about presidents. like it or not, we have to with this one. >> the new abnormal. that's what i'll call it. steve, thank you for joining me on set. hans nichols, thank you. breaking news. a new arrest in the investigation into the orlando nightclub shooting.
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the fbi has arrested the wife of the gunman who killed 49 people last year. noor salman, married to omar mateen, now faces charges of aiding and abetting. here is u.s. attorney general loretta lynch earlier today on msnbc. >> we continue to take very seriously. it was always our goal and we said from the beginning we were going to look at every aspect of this case, every aspect of this shooter's life to determine not just why did he take these actions but who else knew about them, was anyone else involved s there any other accountability that needs to be had here in this case? >> nbc news justice correspondent pete williams is live in our washington news room. it's been over a year since that shooting. why would they find the need to arrest omar mateen's wife now? what sort of new information could they have? >> actually, seven months since the shooting. the question has always been, did anyone around him have any advanced knowledge of it?
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did they help him in any way? did they know about it and fail to tell the authorities? those are always the questions when immediate family members live with someone who carries out such a horrific attack. now the wife of omar mateen, noor salman, has been arrested. she's been charged with aiding and abetting. that indicates, officials say, they believe she knew he was planning some kind of attack. it's not clear to what extent they're claiming that she knew the details of what he was going to do. but that she was aware that he was going to do something and she failed to tell authorities. that is something, we were told, she initially had told investigators. she feared something like this might happen and she tried to talk him out of it. subsequently she said in public statements that she had no idea anything like this was going to happen. she's always claimed, most recently in a long interview in "the new york times" with her in november, that she had absolutely no idea what he was
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up to. but she'll appear in court tomorrow in northern california where she was arrested. that's where she's from originally. then she'll be sent to florida to face the charges, katy. >> nbc's pete williams, thank you very much. and preparations are under way to secure the capitol and national mall as millions prepare to protest the inauguration of president-elect trump. it is a herculean effort to make sure everybody involved is safe. we'll show you what they're doing after the break and we'll speak with one of the organizers of the women's march on washington. well this here's a load-bearing wall. we'll go ahead and rip that out. that'll cause a lot of problems. hmm. totally unnecessary and it triples the budget. we'll be totally behind schedule, right? (laughschedules. schedules. great, okay. wouldn't it be great if everyone said what they meant? the citi® double cash card does. it lets you earn double cash back: 1% when you buy, and 1% as you pay. the citi double cash card.
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monday. donald trump will do so without any military or government experience, that's the first time for that. the tradition of the inauguration has come a long way since woodrow wilson took office in 1917 when women were included in the event for the very first time. and in 1861 heavy security precautions were put in place for the first time when abraham lincoln paved the way for african-americans to march in the celebration for the very first time. that happened, of course, once he took power the second time around. these are relevant bits of information because on saturday at least 200,000 people are expected to flood the mall here in d.c., but the women's march on washington isn't just about women. organizers say they're demonstrating for all of those targeted by the president-elect this year. now they're looking for a way forward. the head of trump's inauguration committee told us today that even trump's critics are welcome to join. >> if you're a protester, show up. we'll give you cookies, kool-aid, whatever else you need. it's a great opportunity to express what your frustration
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is. if you support him, show up. most importantly, if you support america, if you believe in the american system, just be here. >> here now on set with me, janae ingram, head of logistics for the million womens march on washington. >> and now it's women's march on washington. >> i can't speak when i'm cold. so you were expecting -- you permitted for 200,000 people. the cops are getting ready for 400,000 people. do you expect that many people are going to show up? if so, why? >> right now we're thinking 200,000 is our number. we're continuing to crunch the data. we always we're in the week of, and so we're continuing to crunch the numbers. but, i do think we will have at least 200,000 people. and the reason i think is that people have been bothered by the tone and rhetoric of the past elections cycle. they feel like the results may have meant something to them about their issue. they want to come and show that they have power and they want
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people to recognize that. >> it seems like you're encompassing everybody who felt they were targeted by the president-elect when he was still campaigning. tell me who you expect to show up in addition to women who say they feel like their rights are in jeopardy? >> well, i think any and everyone from men who have faced issues like being targeted in the criminal justice system, the disability community, lgbtqia communities. all of these people have felt somewhat alienated by some of the things that have been said in the election and want to come and say, we stand in solidarity and we want to speak up against anyone who wants to target our rights and our freedoms as americans. >> you just heard the inauguration committee, i believe that was tom barrack, saying you are welcome to protest, welcome to come to the inauguration. has anyone from the trump team reached out to you to say, what are your concerns? how can we make sure we're going to represent you going forward?
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>> no, no one from the trump administration or prospective administration has reached out. ultimately, i think this is more so about the hundreds of thousands of people that will be here and how the trump administration plans to reach out to all of them and really speak to their issues once he's in office. >> have you tried? have you called them and say, hey, i would like really like to sit down? >> no, because i think this is a moment for, like i said, the people together and say what we want to say and say what all of the people who are coming have to say in lifting up those issues. it's not necessarily the moment for a sitdown and let's talk about how we can get those issues together and get progress for them, but really about people coming together saying, we stand in solidarity and we are going to work together around lots of different issues. we understand that together we are stronger. >> thank you. good luck this saturday. now we have to go to msnbc senior editor cal perry, he's along the inaugural parade
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route. we're also talking about security. we had a bit of historical context talking about how abraham lincoln was the first president to get ramped up security as he was walking down the inauguration route. what are they doing this year? since it is such a divided country, since there is so many protests plan, are they taking any extra precautions than they might not have in the past? >> i think there's going to be about 5,000 national guard that haven't been in the past. this is pennsylvania avenue. you can see they put in risers on either side of the street. if i swing you around this way, you'll see these giant black barricades. this is what's going to go along this street to keep people from going out to the parade route, where donald trump will first drive, likely to get out at some point and walk. we think about 200 meters down on the left, the trump tower hotel, is a likely place he'll get out and walk. security is of the utmost concern. also allowing people to move freely throughout the city. you're looking at two roads that
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run from the capital. constitutional avenue, pennsylvania avenue and two spokes on a wheel. those roads will be open. everything else closed to vehicular traffic. they want to keep all vehicles out of almost like a 16-block radius. of course, that is for the threat of a potential car bomb or ramming attack. >> cal, humor me for a moment on a completely different topic. bathro don's johns, weren't they supposed to cover up those signs? >> on capitol grounds there's no advertising. the signs are covered, the don's johns. when you get away from the capitol, there is signage. don't know if that's an issue but that is the talk of the town, certainly. >> was it because of the sign or because of the name on the sign? >> reporter: i'm told it's because of the signage and not thin-skinned, but, you know, like you said, certainly both are in play. >> my producer says i have to go. she's going to try and not get
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five top stories we're watching. celebrations are being held around the nation marking the 31st observance of martin luther king day. thousands already paid homage to the civil rights icon at a wreath-laying ceremony at his memorial. congressman john lewis spoke earlier. >> if i was martin luther king jr., i wouldn't be a member of the house of representatives since 1987. >> a plane crash killed dozens in a kyrgyzstan village this
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morning when the pilot tried to land at an airport covered in dense fog. at least 31 people are dead, including 35 passengers on board. in play y playa del carmen,, five are dead after gunman open fire at a blue parrot nightclub. officials are questioning possible suspects but the investigation is ongoing. comes as his long-standing efforts to shrink the facility he once promised to close. speaking of the president, is he honoring his hometown team, the chicago cubs at the white house this afternoon in celebration of their world series win, which broke a 108-year losing streak. is trump about to throw republicans under the bus on health care? in a washington post interview over the weekend president-elect trump announced likely to the surprise of many in the gop, a plan to get insurance for everyone.
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if you've been paying attention to the debate over the years, you'll know that that is something republicans certainly have not supported. so, what do they do now? what about the fight to keep it? over the weekend bernie sanders made noise by organizing rallies across the country. in warren, michigan, with more than 10,000 people cheering, sanders vowed to stand up to his republican colleagues. >> we are the only major country on earth not to guarantee health care to all people as a right. we are saying to our republican colleagues, we will not allow you to throw up to 30 million americans off of health insurance. >> joining me now, politico's health court dan diamond. first of all, do the republicans have -- i'm sorry, the democrats have any chance at stopping the
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republicans from just gutting obamacare and repealing it without a plan already in place? >> well, the republicans have the votes to repeal the law. the question is, do they have enough support for replacement. >> they need the democrats to replace it because it's a 60-vote majority, right? >> that's right. they have one democrat, west virginia senator manchin said he would help repair the law but they're seven short. that's one reason i think trump has come out with this idea, insurance for everybody, trying to throw some salt on the wound of what do republicans actually have to get support from across the aisle. >> donald trump said he had his health care plan and it was almost ready to go. is there any indication that he does actually have a health care plan? has anybody seen any details about this? has anybody heard of the president-elect's team actually working behind the scenes on a plan like this? i thought republicans on the hill were supposed to be doing it. >> two thoughts to that. i can throw this back on you. you covered him during the campaign. has trump ever said something is coming and, voila, it didn't
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come? >> yes. >> we saw last week with the intelligence and the technology of the hacking of russia. i think you're right. we're looking at congress, house specifically, to come up with a reform package. trump's plan, even if there was one, seems to be more about the political ob op tiction of trying to patch that wound where the most effective attack on republicans is they've had years to come up with a replacement plan. it hasn't come about yet. trump saying that one is ready is more about trying to capture the conversation. >> over the weekend in colorado, congressman mike kaufman was supposed to be holding a meet and greet with his constituents at a library in colorado. a few people were supposed to show up, instead, hundreds showed up and they were trying to talk to the congressman how they did not want obamacare to be repealed. somebody said they had cancer multiple times. they would never get health care again if this was taken away from him. the congressman instead of
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talking to his constituents went out a back door and the cops lined it off with police tape so he didn't have to actually talk to anyone. are those that are up for re-election in a couple years worried that if they vote to repeal obamacare that the 20, 30 million people who will potentially lose their health care might come for their heads election day? >> i think that's an absolute fear. what's interesting for those who covered the debate six or seven years ago, this is now the inverse. democrats standing up at their thanh halls being attacked by their constituents. now republicans who have to answer these difficult questions. right now, these are not questions they're equipped to answer, hence, leaving out of the back door rather than taking them -- those questions. >> never good when you don't want to talk to any of your constituents. >> probably not a winning strategy. >> dan diamond from politico, thank you for joining me on set in d.c. we to want check your responses to today's microsoft pulse question. do you think it's disrespectful
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president-elect's plan to deport undocumented immigrants s one of his signature campaign issues. i'm sure you remember. but how will it work exactly? we've been trying to find out answers. all week our jacob is taking a look at the real world implications. meanwhile, jacob joins me from california and part of his new series, "what's next, usa?" you visited a facility that employees
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employs deported workers. >> reporter: that's right. when donald trump talks about deporting 11 million undocumented immigrants, people thought that was a huge departure from president obama's policy, which it was but president obama deported more than any president, about 2.8 deportees. half were criminals, those who says donald trump will get out of the country first, the minute he takes office, but the other half were not. there are places springing up in mexico, just across the border in tijuana, putting those places to work. they are call centers that make use of these folks because they spent the vast majority of their lives living in the united states. they pick up the phone. it sounds quite familiar. take a listen to one of the young women i met. how long did you live in oregon for? >> my parents took me when i was 3 and i was deported when i turned 27. >> reporter: what happened? >> the lawyer messed up my paperwork and they deported me.
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>> reporter: did you commit a crime? >> no. >> reporter: no crime? >> no crime. >> reporter: and you lived in u.s. whour whole life? >> and i worked for the u.s. post although service. >> reporter: worked for the u.s. government and paid taxes? >> yes. >> reporter: everyone an american does. >> everything an american does. have i two kids there. >> reporter: what would you tell them if they said, come back and live with us. >> i thn i'm in a visa waiting process. they're patient. >> reporter: if you want to get a look at what deportations in donald trump's america looks like, can you do it by going across the border here from san diego to tijuana. throughout the day here on msnbc, we'll have a deeper, longer look at what it looks like to be a deportee. not only in donald trump's america but in barack obama's america, too. it's a familiar sight for many people. and going into the donald trump presidency, it's something that a lot of people on that side of the border know a lot about. >> you out there should stay a look at jacob's full piece at
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it is a fascinating look at what it is going on. truly powerful. thank you so much for joining me. trump and twitter, can they mix in the oval office. a look at the power of words and how a tweeter-in-chief could play out on the international stage when our live coverage from the nation's capital continues. degeneration, amd, he told me to look at this grid every day. and we came up with a plan to help reduce my risk of progression, including preservision areds 2. my doctor said preservision areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula the national eye institute recommends to help reduce the risk of progression of moderate to advanced amd after 15 years of clinical studies. preservision areds 2. because my eyes are everything. i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i got a medicare supplement insurance plan.
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in case you had any doubt that donald trump would stop tweeting after friday, or if he would tweet after friday, well, you have no more doubt. the president-elect plans to keep his own twitter account including his handl handle @realdonaldtrump. joining me, mother jones washington bureau chief, david korn. donald trump's not going to stop tweeting. >> clearly. >> does congress have to adjust? does the media have to adjust? do international leaders have to
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adjust? >> i think everybody has to adjust. what we see here is his ability with 140 characters to totally destabilize whatever world he ames at. whether it's international relations with china or with nato o whether it's what he's going to do on congress. the thing is, he's so erratic to begin with, with his policies about russia, they differ with what mattis is saying. does he want something different from health care than republicans? it just adds a greater level of profound instability to what will be a trump presidency. >> we've been seeing this now for 17 months. maybe on some level we are getting used to it and we can figure out when donald trump will have a follow-up tweet, maybe on some level. but how does a foreign leader know when he's serious or when to react or respond and how do they know when they should just ignore this tweet of donald trump's because he's trying to get attention or distract them?
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>> it comes from the fact they have no idea when to take him seriously. they don't know when he's being nuanced or serious. he could be joke being china trade or saying, this is something i'm really going to do and changing the policy. because he's not in a press briefing room where people can ask a follow-up question, they have no idea when he's being serious. >> what about all the supporters who say, this is just the media being alarmists. i'm not watching every single one of donald trump's tweets. i'm not taking him literally. i'm taking him seriously. things are broken out is there and i don't care if this is what he does. he's got to go in there and change it. >> well, that may be true if you're a september zen, but it you're a foreign leader or american company or member of congress, people take the words of the president with great weight. and so -- and he doesn't seem to care about this. during the campaign that you covered so well, chaos was his friend. but now as the governing -- you know, top executive of the country, maybe of the planet, chaos is not really something we should look for. >> and how do the american -- i mean, how does it affect the
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average american, donald trump going off on these twitter rants? >> i think the way it affects the average american, i just had dinner yesterday with friends who are teachers, and the idea is you're sending a message as president -- you set the tone for the nation. so, if the president is going off and ranting and he's bullying people and he's seen as someone who's unstable on twitter, that gives rise to a whole generation of people who think it's okay to do that and it could also affect people's lives. if he tweets at a union leader and that person gets attacked on twitter, that's a person being effected by the president of the united states. >> what's going to happen in the next four years? >> i stopped making predictions. we know he's unpredictable, erratic and it's clear how serious he is about any given policy initiative. so, we don't know how this -- how this white house is going to function, even if it can function. >> do you think the president is under threat from the trump administration or is this a golden opportunity for people in the news media to find their
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voice or both? >> i think it's both. there's this idea that if he starts moving reporters out of the white house and we have to start covering him from trailers outside the white house, it's going to bring, i think, a level of intensity that's going to be really important for the media and it's going to make us all, i think, up our game. on the opposite side f he's someone attacking the media and rolling back liable laws, that's problematic for journalists. >> we'll see how this plays out. david corn, thank you both for joining me. tonight counselor to president-elect trump, kellyanne conway will join greta van susteren at 6:00 p.m. eastern right here on mction. be the you who shows up in that dress. who hugs a friend. who is done with treatments that don't give you clearer skin. be the you who controls your psoriasis with stelara® just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer. some serious infections require hospitalization. before treatment, get tested for tuberculosis. before starting stelara®
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that wraps things up for me this hour. i'm katy tur live in washington, d.c. all week long. now i'm going to throw it over to my colleague and friend, kate snow. >> hey. >> how's it going? >> good, good. nice to be here in washington. good afternoon to you. i'm kate snow. obviously, in washington today, four days from now donald trump will become the leader of the
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free world. again, the public focus is on his comments. for starters, there is his very public feud with civil rights icon, john lewis, angering some on the left and on the right. what he is saying about health insurance also raising eyebrow on the right today. a deep dive on obamacare coming up in this hour. plus, as we get closer to the inauguration, lester holt will be traveling the country talking to folks coast to coast. we'll check in with lester. finally, my conversation with bernie sanders, two months after the -- rather, a year after -- what am i trying to say? two months after the election. what he is saying now about our country, what he has learned over the past year and a little bit of a spoiler here. it is a positive message he has. we will let you hear it coming up. we start this martin luther king day talking about a feud the president-elect and his team are having with civil rights icon john lewis. the congressman called trump an illegitimate president and then trump and his team struck back at him and the ste


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