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turns out that's what he had. that will be a big deal about him and this crime. it's way more likely that it will turn out it was not that kind of weapon. we'll see. stick a pin in that point. this is one of the important pieces of information that will presume my come out of the investigation soon as we continue to learn more. that does it for us tonight. see you tomorrow. time for the "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> thank you very much. today tragedy struck in chattanooga, tennessee, as rachel was telling us four marines murdered before the gunman was killed. >> today is a nightmare for the city of shat no ga. >> four u.s. marines are dead gunned down by a lone shooter. >> a hail of bullets tore through two with military centers. >> all of a sudden i heard ten or 15 pops you know, really fast pop, pop, pop. >> what we know is somebody brutally and brazenly attacked members of our armed services.
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>> it's a heart-breaking circumstance for these individuals who served our country with great valor to be killed in this fashion. >> according to the police this gunman a acted alone. >> a naturalized american citizen identified as mohammad youssuf abdulazeez. >> we are conducting this as an act of domestic terrorism. >> the fbi and joint terrorism task force are investigating the shooting death of four marines after a gunman opened fire. the suspected shooter is also dead and has been identified as 24-year-old mohammad youssuf abdulazeez. he is a naturalized citizen of the united states born in kuwait and lives in the chattanooga area. at least three other people were
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injured, including a police officer and another military service member. u.s. attorney general -- united states attorney general loretta lynch said the fbi will lead the investigation and the shooting is being investigated as a potential act of domestic terrorism. homeland security secretary jeh johnson said in a statement that officials are enhancing the security posture at certain federal facilities out of an abundance of caution. in new york law enforcement officials stepped up security at local recruitment centers and president obama said this earlier today -- >> when you have an attack on a u.s. military facility than we have to make sure that we have all of the information necessary to make an assessment in terms of how this tookattack took place and what precautions we can take
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in the future. >> according to sources the fbi had not been investigating the alleged gunman before the shooting and officials were not aware of plans for attacks in chattanooga. joining us is gabe gutierrez who is live in chattanooga, tennessee. what do we know at this hour? >> hey there, lawrence. s you can see behind me the fbi is still on the scene. they are taking the lead in this investigation. there are also investigators here from atf and other agencies. this is what happened this morning. around 10 k34r7b:30 and 10.35. different witnesses give different time but around that time. they heard a volley of gun fire. some of them thought it may have been a construction project. they didn't immediately realize what it was. they say it happened in rapid succession. we know the suspect fired more than 25 rounds here at this
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location. this was the first of two locations that where the shootings took place. this one first. then the gunman took off and drove seven miles to a naval reserve center. that's where four marines lost their lives and the gunman was killed. at this point, it is unclear whether the gunman took his own life or whether he was shot and killed by police. that's one of the details we are awaiting conformation on. authorities aren't giving a lot of confirmation on what happened. we spoke to one of the sergeants, who was in this military recruiting center a short time ago. he says there was one gunshot and then a pause and then more gunshots continued. he says there were a total of five people in this military recruiting center himself and four people under him. he was leading this military recruiting center. and then they went in to an active shooter position rg or active shooter drills and stayed in there until they got the all clear. a lot of unanswered questions
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about what happened what was the motive was and as you mentioned federal officials are rooking to see if this may have been -- and that's a big "may," may have been inspired by isis perhaps, only because of the nature of the targets, military centers, and also the timing of this, which is as ramadan was wrapping up. that's what investigators are looking at throughout the evening. they have gone to the home of the suspected gunman which is near chattanooga. they have also been looking at perhaps who he may have had contact with in the past few weeks, e-mail communication, phone calls, trying to get any idea of what may have led to this lawrence. >> were the chattanooga police able to engage in any kind of chase of the shooter's vehicle when he was going from one location to the other? >> earlier today, they said they were able to engage the shooter as he made his way to the second location. the exact details of that are unclear.
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there were 911 calls that suggested after he left this location or right after the shots were fired here and the drove the seven miles to the other location they were in pursuit. they said they engaged the suspect. but the question is what does that mean, engaging the suspect could mean a variety of things. given they knew that he had fired already and he was presumed armed and dangerous, they may have gone up to him and you know with guns drawn and may have fired the first shots or it could be they yelled out freeze or something to that effect and he fired and they returned fire and struck him. we don't know that. again, we don't know if the police officers were with firing the fatal shot or if the gunman may have taken his own life. those details will trickle out over the next day or so the coming days as this investigation continues. we do not know how he obtained the weapons used in the shooting. again, that's something authorities are welcoming in to
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at this point. lawrence? >> we will listen to a video of one of the witnesses, robert dodge who will describe what he heard when that shot went off. >> we heard one shot go off, which kind of alerted us at that time. about a second or two went by and we heard the first volley of fire. at that time we knew it was gun fire at our location. then we went in to what we call an active shooter drill and moved to the rear of the building and barricaded ourselves and got on the ground and waited for it to be all clear. >> we are joined by phone by robert freeman, who is a former recruiter at the lie highway recruiting center where the first shooting occurred today. robert, what can you tell us about that location and what it must have been like there today? >> all i can really say is it's pretty open. the doors ain't locked. they can walk in at anytime.
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it's not like it's anybody's making sure that people don't have weapons or anything. and when you walk in the door the recruiting office is wide open. >> i want to listen to something else robert dodge said about how the posture they are in a situation like this and how it is different for them as trained soldiers in combat. let's listen to this. >> when you are in combat you are in full gear and you have a weapon in your hands, and you are more ready for it. when you are in the civilian community, it's not something that you are ready for on a regular basis, but the additional training and experience has definitely helped us and my team react the way we were supposed to react today. >> robert freeman, robert dodge talked about going in to active shooter training they have done. could you describe what that involves? >> it is just basically a way to barricade yourself. with the active shooter drills
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and stuff they do it is more so that, like for him in the instance that he was in a different office some they barricaded themselves to keep the shooter from coming in to their office. as far as the marines that were in the chattanooga office at the time, they didn't have time to get in that posture. the guy wausked up and started shooting. there was no active shooter drill for someone who's actually shooting in to the office. they just had to run for their lives basically. >> is this something that any of you working there had ever discussed especially say after the shooting in ft. hood? >> it is something -- we do annual training every year as recruiters. it's something that we do go through and talk about. but again, there's no real drill for someone who's putting rounds in to the room you are in.
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it is more so to make sure you don't go through and take more lives than he could before. >> robert freeman, thank you for joining us. i'm very sorry for what's happened to your former teammates down there today. i really appreciate you joining us. >> thank you. >> joining us is gene o'donnell and a former police officer with the nypd and jim cavanaugh, nbc retired law enforcement analyst and the head of the atf's nashville office where they are investigating tonight. so jim, you know the area. tell us what's going on in what investigation now. >> a big command post set up. scores of agents from surrounding offices and they have agencies in there that are key to this. chattanooga pd hamilton county
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sheriffs department, the bureau of investigation, the tennessee department of homeland security the fbi, the atf, the tennessee highway patrol. surrounding communities. they have a lot of people lawrence to be able to do the investigation that they need to do. the scene is stopped and static and the shooter is deceased. so they are at the other house, they are doing their searches. they are starting to know more and more about this buy by the hour. you know they will have it all wrapped up but no prosecution. >> eugene o'donnell, you hear these stories sometimes and you listen and think, well maybe if they had done this instead of that. this is one of those things where it's just pure vulnerability. they are in a store front and there's -- i don't see what they could possibly have done about this. >> it's a business office in downtown on main street. i think the two things that are at play here is learning about him, whether he has a network or
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simply about him acting alone. and i think lessons learned as to whether this guy should have been on somebody's radar screen. how people like this are being grown in the country and what intervenges we need to do to see if there's anything that can be done with people being radicalized. whether this turns out to be -- how far along on the continuum of terrorism this is the fact is we have a dangerous environment where people are trying to go overseas and have been apprehended doing that en route to the battlefield essentially. it is no longer a question of whether we have this issue that is a serious issue, it is profoundly a serious issue at this point. >> let's listen to what fred fletcher said about the investigation earlier. >> we're identifying spots, meeting on an hourly basis to make sure any identified areas that mightphile feel vulnerable are addressed in a appropriate area. all agencies federal, state and local, are working with together
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to keep everyone in the community, city state and country safe. >> jim cavanaugh, talk about the emotions in an investigation like this. these are all people who never expected to be investigating the murder of four marines. >> this is heart breaking. law enforcement always has a close relationship with the military because a lot of loek law enforcement come from the military. we work with them and go on their bases, atf we work closely with the cid, army, naval criminal investigations service, air force osi. a big law enforcement military interaction. we certainly feel that. and then a wounded chattanooga officer. these foreign terrorists groups have been encouraging their followers to kill police and military in the u.s. so that's an ongoing thing like eugene mentioned. it is a real live threat to people in uniform. to comment about what transpired
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today when you talk about what happened this guy might not have gotten out of his vehicle. this could have been a drive-by shooting at the recruiting center. a 911 call comes from a mustang convertible and i have done it in a patrol car and shooting situations where there's a shooting situation you encount they are vehicle. it had a partner with me an the guy started to shoot at us. this is likely what happened. the chattanooga pd engages when they see the vehicle and try to pursue or apprehend. then he speeds to the naval recruit center or reserve center and what happens is he kills four marines somehow. we don't know if they were in a kampl we think they could have been in a car and he drove up next to them all and shot them with his rifle. we don't know how it transpired. were they walking? the officers might have been behind him a few seconds which would have given the ability to
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kill our heros lake like they did. >> what headway are they making on the kind of detail jim cavanaugh was talking about? >> this is an active scene with the fbi on scene. forensically trying to figure out what happened here. 25 a, at least 25 rounds fired at this location. the other location is actually even more blocked off. the media hasn't been able to get a great -- been able to see exactly what transpired there. what jim was saying is right. we don't know a lot of things. we don't know if the four marines that were shot what their proximity was to this convertible. if he managed to get out of his convertible and approach the facility or in the parking lot of the facility r facility and we don't know if it was the officers that fatally shot him or if he decided to take his own life. authorities have not reveal ed
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that as well. this investigation is not just looking at the logistics of what went on here. there's also -- they are trying to piece together his history. he was arrested for driving under the influence earlier this year. that was really his only reason he was known to law enforcement. he was not in federal watch list of any sort. the fbi did not consider him to be a terrorism suspect. they had briefly, according to federal officials looked at his father years ago for perhaps having some type of connection to a terrorism organization. he's from palestinian territories but that investigation was closed and he was not put on any terror watch list. now we are look hg to cut out perhaps this gunman acquired weapons. we don't know how he acquired them. we have heard within witnesses say automatic weapons were used but were they semiautomatic, what type of gun was used. there are a lot of unanswered questions as to not just how it
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transpired but why it transpired. >> thank you all for joining us tonight. >> thank you, lawrence. coming up president obama makes a historic trip to a federal prison. we will have more on the investigation in chat no dpa. the signs are everywhere. the lincoln summer invitation is on. get exceptional offers on the compact utility mkc, mkz sedan... the iconic navigator. and get a first look at the entirely new 2016 mid-size utility lincoln mkx. lease the 2015 mkc for $369 a month with $0 down, $0 first month's payment and $0 cash due at signing.
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>> we know what appears to be a lone gunman carried out these attacks. we identified a name. at this point, a full investigation is taking place. the fbi will be in the lead working closely with local law enforcement. we have also been in contact with the department of department to make sure that all of our defense facilities are properly attentive and lij vigilant as we sort through what happened. >> according to the "new york times," the gunman was not on the government's radar but law enforcement officials said his father had been under investigation several years ago for possible ties for a foreign terrorist organization. at one point, a law enforcement official said the father was on a terror watch list and
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questioned while on but removed from the list. they cautioned it was old and did not generate any information on the son. >> joining us now is david stern, program associate at the new america foundation and expert in american terrorism and anthony -- the associate director of the global cities institute and lead researcher of the transcultural conflict and viems program at georgia state university. david, your reaction to what we have seen today? >> thanks for having me. i think that what we have seen today is a horrible tragedy. the fbi is doing exactly what it should be doing, opening a terrorism investigation, while cautioning people that there's no evidence, so far, at least publicly that this is actually an act of terrorism. >> anthony, what's your reaction
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about what you have seen as the story has developed today? >> first thing is certainly my sense of, you know, just being really upset for the victims and their immediate families. and, you know thinking about it as david points out really understanding and getting in those underlying motivations. i have been curious to see what becomes available about the perpetrators background. so far we don't know a lot but have seen some things come out, some statements he posted recently on social media that have been of interest. >> let's on the to what james comey said last week about how the islamic state is trying to target young people through social media. >> they broadcast a message which is two-pronged. come to the islamic state and join us here in this -- our version of paradise, which is like a nightmare and if you can't come kill somebody where
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you are. videotape it. cut their head off and videotape it. please try to kill law enforcement or military. >> david, do we see any pattern in the young people who are susceptible to that kind of material? >> it's very difficult to determine pattern within people charged with jihadist terrorism crimes. they tend to be middle class, but you see other classes, both men and women, although they tend to be overall men. thach a wide variety of ages but tend to be younger at this moment in this particular cohort and a wide variety of education level. it is hard to generate any kind of profile. we have no information on this particular individual and whether he was connected to jihadist terrorists at all, let alone isis. >> we have going to hear in short form from a young person who's been susceptible to this. this is the son of a boston
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police captain who was arrested for illegally buying firearms from an undercover fbi informant. this is video of him being questioned by the fbi after he was arrested on july 4th. here he is talking about the people who we have seen beheaded by the islamic state. >> the people that you see being executed are criminals. they are criminals. >> tony what does it take to take an american kid, this kid has had a lot of mental problems in his history that we know of. that's a factor in this. pu to har a young american talk about people beheaded what is the road that gets to that space? >> there are a lot of pathways that get you there. one key thing, he went on to say they are the lowest of the low.
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he had that dehumanizing aspect of it. they are not considered as people. to bring that back to the chattanooga attacks, you have here targeting of a military recruiting station. so there's an extra layer of that a dehumanization. and labelling the outgroup as an enemy that you need to go out and kill. i that is part of it. it had a sense of here's someone trying to fit in. certainly in the case of boston to try on the part of something bigger and that's part of the appeal. certainly that isis is trying to do. the thing that would lead me to sway towards that as david points out. we don't know definitively yet, there have been specific calls for attacks and especially now. especially because we are about to end ramadan. we are in that period where isis had been calling for those particular sorts of attacks and military recruiting stations
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have been targeted in the past, even 2009 in little rock. this is not unprecedented. it just happens to be the worst we have experienced thus far. >> thank you for joining us on this sad night. thank you. >> thank you. coming up president obama makes history. the first sitting president to visit a federal prison. if you can't stand the heat, get off the test track. get the mercedes-benz you've been burning for at the summer event, going on now at your authorized mercedes-benz dealer. hurry, before this opportunity cools off. share your summer moments in your mercedes-benz with us. fact: when pharmacists are in pain the medicine in advil is their #1 choice for pain relief. more than the medicines in tylenol or aleve. use the medicine that pharmacists use most for themselves. relief doesn't get any better than
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today president obama made
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history by being the first president to visit a federal prison are. >> the united states accounts for 5% of the world's population. we account for 25% of the world's inmates. that represents a huge surge since 1980. i just took a look at a cell where because of overcrowding typically we may have three people housed in a cell that looks to be what 15 by -- >> 9x10. >> 9x10. three full-grown nen a 9x10 cell. >> later president obama started to walk away from reporters when one shouted a question and the president's answer got personal. >> visiting with these six individuals -- i've said this before, when they describe their youth and their childhood, these
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are -- these are young people who made mistakes that aren't that different than the mistakes i made and the mistakes that a lot of you guys made. i think we have is a tendency sometimes to almost take for granted, or think it's normal that so many young people end up in our criminal justice system. it's not normal. it's not what happens in other countries. what is normal is teenagers doing stupid things. what is normal is young people making mistakes. we have to distinguish between dangerous individuals who need to be incapacitated an incarcerated versus young people who are in an environment which they are adapting but if given
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different opportunities, different vision of life could be thriving the way we are. that's what strikes me. there but for the grace of god. and that is something we all have to think about. >> more on president obama's historic visit next. later, a few words about donald trump. ♪ ♪
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programs. >> joining us now david corn washington bureau chief for mother jones and msnbc political analyst and opinion writer for the "washington post" and msnbc contributor and former judge kordell, the independent police auditor for the city of san jose. your reaction to what you heard the president say today in that prison. >> lawrence, by the president going to a federal prison and then two days ago delivering a speech about criminal justice reform, this was a game changer. this is a game changer for reform of the criminal justice system. no president before him, who has -- and all of them have pushed for criminal justice reform but in the opposite direction. they have all pushed for more prisons, tougher sentencing laws. this president has done a 180 and it's remarkable. this is a huge deal. >> jonathon that personal moment that came down for him
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there but for the grace of god. how did you react to that? >> it is something the president has talked about before. he mentioned it during my brother's keeper launch last year. he brings it up every time he talks to young people. particularly young men of color. remember after the the acquittal of george zimmerman. he said he could have been trayvon martin 30 years ago and because he grew up in an environment where second chances were allowed, where he was allowed to make mistakes his path was different. he recognizes very strongly and very well that a lot of the young people he has met during his presidency, a lot of the people who are in that prison in oklahoma that he visited today and who are caught up in the criminal justice system that he could have been them.
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those are the folks who are in prison for, you know low-level drug offenses and who could have been diverted to other programs. that's what he's trying to -- that's what he's hoping to change. i hope he's right that he would like to get a criminal justice reform package done this year. but as we know in this town the president wants it. it's hard to see how he's going to get it. even with bipartisan support there is for criminal justice reform right now. >> there's surprising bipartisan support right now. david corn before we get to that i want to linger for a moment on the fact that he didn't just say that it could have been him. president obama didn't just say this thing could have happened to me. he pointed it to all of the press corps there and said a lot of these are the kinds of mistakes that we all made that you all made. that is certainly applying to me and everybody i grew up with at
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some point did something trivial or not so trivial that could have gotten us arrested and most of the time didn't. >> he was basically saying we live in a rigged system. where some people get treat ed a different way than others for doing essentially the same thing. you grew up in a middle-class upper-class suburban area and you get in trouble with the cops the law, you have family friends, maybe a lawyer and you can get off pretty easily. it's been true for decades. it happens in an urban area, you are poor you don't have those resources you pay a heavy price. and politicians, politicians for decades starting really with some ways with richard nixon but even before that have played politics with crime. they have used all of these poor kids as basically a cub dill in going against the other side. we will throw away the idea of
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rehabilitation and be punitive. even though clinton did that with the crime bill in 1994 and barack obama has come around. thank god for sikd terms and saying we need to rethink fundamentally how we deal with crime from a political and a policy perspective. >> let's listen to what bill clinton said today, not today but this week about what he got wrong when he was president. >> i signed a bill that made the problem worse. i won't admit it but in that bill there were longer sentences. and most of these people were in prison under state law, but the federal law set a trend and that was overdone. we were wrong about that. the bad news is we had a lot of people who were essentially locked up who were minor actors for way too long. >> ladoris cordell, talk about
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that. all of washington was excited to introduce new, harsh, federal penalty. i once heard a senator jokingly say about the clinton health care bill we could get this passed if we put a death penalty in here. that was the spirit of washington at that time. >> sure. the political wins were such that bill clinton grabbed on to them. i will tell you, he should apologize, but that's not enough. if he really wants to make amends for i think the great harm he caused in pushing for the passage of that legislation he needs to be out front. i think he should be out front on criminal justice reform. when president obama pushed for all of this this is for the federal system. this is not about the states and the hope is the states will follow the tailwinds of the federal system here as we reform it. i think if bill clinton is truly apologetic, he should really take the lead in seeing these reforms happen throughout the country. >> listen to what john boehner said about the possibilities
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here. >> i have long believed there needed to be reform of our criminal justice system. chairman last year put together a working group that had recommendations. i supported those recommendations and they are by and large embraced in the bill mr. sensenbrenner has with mr. scott. we have a lot of people in prison that frankly, in my view really don't need to be there. it's expensive to house prisoners. frankly, sometimes these people are in there under what i'll call flimsy reasons. so i think it is time that we review this process they have and i'm looking forward to putting those recommendations on the floor. >> john capehart i don't know how that is going but to hear a republican speaker of the house say that has to be encouraging. >> i'm going to walk back what i said in my original answer a little bit. on the one hand i noticed that he talked about how much it costs to house these prisoners.
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that's where you have some republicans on capitol hill who are latching on criminal justice reform because they see it as a way of bringing down government spending. but speaker boehner went the extra step by talking about the moral part of this problem, and that is as he said people in prison for quote flimsy reasons." that actually did give me -- i'm more hopeful than i was when the segment started. >> all right. >> that's the perfect note to end on. thank you all for joining us tonight. >> sure thing. >> thanks, lawrence. coming up next a verdict in the aurora, colorado theater shooting. and later, i will address donald trump's big challenge to me today.
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a new fox news poll released tonight shows the republican
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field has an officially new front runner -- donald trump is at 18%. scott walker is 15%. jeb bush at 14%, rand paul 8, marco rubio 7. last month jeb bush led with 15%. donald trump with 11%, carson 10%, rand paul and walker 9%. it has a 5% margin of error. a few more words to say about donald trump next. . except that managing my symptoms was all i was doing. and when i finally told my doctor, he said humira is for adults like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease. and that in clinical studies the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems,
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now for a few words about donald trump. i like him. i know how shocking that sounds to faithful viewers of this program. so let me explain. when i was a kid, the first columnist i ever read was "the boston globe "'s great george frazier who said he never wanted to meet politicians because he was afraid he might like them and couldn't write about them object ively. i understand what the he meant. here's the moment when i met donald trump just three months ago. donald was making his grand entrance in the ballroom of the white house correspondents dinner and i was sitting alone at a table minding my own business. he spotted me, called my name and what he watch what he did, he stretches out his hand for a hand shake. that, he does that to a guy who savaged him four years ago when he was talking about running for president. i bothered him so much back then
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he threatened to sue me but he didn't care about that when he saw me. he just wanted to shake my hand and wish me well. that moment wasn't going to happen if it was up to me. i wasn't going to go out of my way to say something nice to donald trump and shake his hand because on that night, in that moment donald was a bigger man than i was and i liked him for that. it wasn't the first time donald reached out to me. a year ago when i returned to this show after a lengthy hospital stay from a car accident, donald watched the first show when i came back. i really didn't know how to return to the show. i didn't know what to say about what happened to me if i could talk about it at all. i was unsure of myself that night. i spent the first 15 minutes of the show thanking from the heart all of the people who put me back together and then i tried to move the show closer to the regular jurisdiction. the first e-mail i read the next day was a message from
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donald trump to me. it said donald trump's office called this morning. they wanted to express donald trump's sentiments. he said he watched the show last night and thought larry was great. and that touched me deeply. and when donald trump announced his candidacy i welcomed it in the same spirit as jon stewart. this is going to be fun to cover. that's what i set out to do. that's the way i wanted to cover donald this time. but i got myself hung up on the least important thing about donald trump, the future president, how much money he has earned in tv. donald is now bothered by my disbelief they have expressed about how much money nbc paid him as the star of "the apprentice" series and he came up with a better idea than threatening to sue me. he challenged me to bet 100% of my salary that i'm wrong about his nbc income. now where i come from no one settled disagreements with bets
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because no one had money to bet. so no donald there won't be any bet because i would never bet about anything. i just don't bet period. and i don't want to be in a story about donald trump. i want to cover this campaign. and, i might be wrong. i have never said i know exactly how much donald trump made for the entire series. i don't know. i have made semi-educated guesses about it and i don't care very much about it. i don't really care. so, after i offered my guesses about it last night on this program and tried to have some fun with it. james fallows tweeted that donald trump's income doesn't matter and i agreed with him on twitter. then i stupidly jumped in to talking about it again on "morning joe" where i hijacked a few minutes to talk about this thing that i know doesn't matter. that i have already said publicly doesn't matter.
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others have expressed doubts about donald's claims about money. timothy o'brien wrote doubts about such doubts but no one than with harsher language than i have. i'm not proud of that. i don't want the prize for the guy that wants the meanest words in the debate. i don't want to be the angry guy about donald trump because i'm not. so, as i said i do not want to be in stories about donald trump. i just want to sit here and cover the donald trump campaign. i was trying to have fun, talking about donald's money this morning, but when i watched the video of that thing this afternoon, it didn't look like it. and when i finally shut up about this stuff this morning on the show only then did i realize that i had been eating up time that should have been devoted to joe -- and interview with april
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ryan who had just joined the panel to discuss her very important question to president obama yesterday in the press conference about bill cosby. now, i am really sorry that i wasted the time that should have been focused on what april ryan had to say. i want to give april ryan a chance to be heard again on this because once we all listened to april this morning, she left us all speechless. >> april, step out of the reporter role and tell me what you felt as a human being about that answer. >> um -- you know i'm not supposed to. but as a woman, as a daughter of a woman, as a mother of two daughters, i was floored. i was like wow, it was strong.
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it was a statement. you know and hearing these allegations -- i mean it's -- it's amazing. and then someone -- being a kid i grew up on cosby, "fat albert." i remember my parents gave me this little -- what is it a 45 remember the little 45 dichks. it was called "water water everywhere" by bill cosby. i watched "the cosby show." i watched "different world." it was interesting. but my reporter's hat was on. but taking a look back you know it's just a sad situation all the way around for everyone. it was a presidential issue. anytime you have people asking that this president revoke a medal of freedom given by another president it became presidential and i had to ask that question. it's not about me personally. it's about the issue. anything presidential anything
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nothing is beyond bounds to ask the president of the united states and that was a presidential question. >> april, thank you. lawrence o'donnell and for bill tonight on "all in" -- >> we are conducting this as an act of domestic terrorism. >> a mass murder in tennessee. four marines killed, the alleged gunman is dead. tonight we're learning more about the motive. we'll go to chattanooga for the latest. then, the verdict in the colorado theater shooting is in. we'll go to aurora for the latest. plus, the president makes history inside an american prison. >> these are young people who made mistakes that aren't that different than the mistakes i made. >> and all in america water wars. there is a knockdown, drag-out fight over bottled water, and we got inside the bottling plant.

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