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our ktvu news app have a our ktvu news app have a >> chris: i'm chris wallace. a former president trump returns to the political stage and goes on the attack. ♪ ♪ from accusations of a covid cover a pureed >> fauci has perhaps never been more wrong than when he denied the virus and where it came from. >> chris: to his report card on his successor. >> the biden administration seems to be putting america la last. he won in 2020. >> they used covid and they use mail-in ballots to steal an election. >> chris: we will ask former trump campaign manager, corey lewandowski, now head of a trump super pac where the former president plans to take the republican party. it's a "fox news sunday" exclusive. then...
>> now is the time to build on a foundation with clay. progress is undeniable, it is not assured. if >> chris: senate republican's try to bridge their divide over infrastructure but with congress split over many issues, we will sit down with a man in the middle on capitol hill, senator joe manchin, and asko he plans to break the logjam. plus, new controversy over the origins of covid-19 puts dr. fauci in the line of fire. we will ask our sunday panel about the growing backlash. and our power players of the week. wise words for the class of 2021. [cheers and applause] all right now o on "fox news sunday." ♪ ♪ >> chris: and hello again from fox news in washington. while, former president trump
made one of his highest profile public appearances last night since leaving office in january. addressing the north carolina state g.o.p. convention, he called out president biden on the economy and dr. anthony fauci on covid. he also teased the prospect of another presidential bid in 2024, but said his focus for now is supporting candidates in next year's midterms who are loyal to him. in a moment we will speak with former trump campaign manager corey lewandowski, now head of a trump super pac. but we start with mark meredith in greenville, north carolina, reporting on a former president who's looking to the past and to the future. >> former president trump told a crowd of conservatives last night he is eager to be back in the political spotlight as he offered fresh criticism of his successor. >> joe biden and the socialist democrats are the most radical left-wing administration in history. gas prices are soaring, our industries are being pillaged by
foreign cyber attacks. >> the president also had harsh words for china, saying the country must pay for its role in the pandemic. >> the time has come for america and the world to demand reparations and accountability from the communist party of china. >> meanwhile, his on-again off-again relationship with dr. anthony fauci was on full display. >> dr. fauci, who i actually got along with, he's a nice guy. he's a great promoter. not a great doctor but he's a hell of a promoter. he's been wrong in almost every issue and he was wrong on wuhan and the lab also, very wrong. >> the speech in greenville was supposed to give up the next chapter of his post-presidency. he plans to hold rallies within weeks and is offering up scores of new endorsements. >> the survival of america depends on the ability to elect her republicans at every level, starting with the midterms next year. we have to get it done. >> well trump was warmly received in the tar heel state,
online he's essentially still blacklisted. facebook says trump will remain off its platform for at least two more years. last night trump's trump's daughter-in-law lara trump announced that she will not seep the open senate seat in north carolina next year. the president praised her decision to sit this one out and moments later offered up his own endorsement for republican congressman thad budd who will likely face a fierce competitive primary. chris. >> chris: mark meredith reporting from north carolina, thanks. joining us now, the chairman of the make america great again action super pac, corey lewandowski. corey, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> corey: thank you for having me, chris. >> chris: so president trump last night attacked democrats right from the start. here is one of the more dramatic examples. take a look. >> they are vicious, they are violent, they in many cases hate our country, and they have bad
policy. >> chris: does mr. trump really believe that the democratic party is violent and many of them hate our country? >> welcome, chris, if you look at some of the numbers of the democratic party have stood for, which is bailing individuals out who have been arrested for causing mayhem and violence, attacking police stations, burning our court houses in northwest part of the country, their actions and their wallets speak for themselves. when you look at their policies, chris, in the first three months of this administration, the biden administration has canceled drilling in the arctic national wildlife reserve. he has canceled the keystone pipeline and he has caused the devastation and the loss of tens or hundreds of thousands of jobs that allow us to be energy independent, all while allowing russia to move forward with their pipeline and supporting that. so the question is, is this an america-first agenda, which is what donald trump had laid out, or is this everybody else-first agenda and i think the policies
of the biting and administration clearly show that joe biden does not care as much about this country as he does others. >> chris: mr. trump also went hard after dr. anthony fauci, which raises the question, if he was so concerned about the wuhan lab, why didn't mr. trump do more to investigate it? why didn't he do more to put pressure on the chinese when he was president? >> corey: well, chris, as we know, secretary pompeo was very involved in trying to find the origins of the covid-19 virus and where it came from. what we also know now, chris, is that almost 600,000 americans have perished because of this terrible tragedy. that's more people than all of the foreign wars that the united states soldiers combined have been lost in. that's the equivalent of about the size of the city of milwaukee, wisconsin. we've lost more people then reside in baltimore or miami or in atlanta, georgia, and we don't even have a commission to
look into this. so the question is, one president trump said we believe that this originated in a lab in wuhan, the media by and large dismissed that and even jonathan karl of abc news came out and said the media had egg on their face for dismissing that potential claim of what transpired. so why don't we have a commission, chris? let's appoint secretary mike pompeo and maybe secretary clinton to look into why 600,000 americans have died because of this. let's hold china accountable. let's ask for the reparations which they owe not only us but probably the world and i think $10 trillion sounds like about the right amount to me. >> chris: yeah, but, corey, back as late as march 27th, so at least two months after donald trump was mourned by his own national security advisor that this was going to be the greatest threat of his presidency and proceeded to play it down, as late as march 27th of last year, donald trump was
still praising president xi of china and still talk about how cooperative he was. again, if he was so concerned about the wuhan lab, he had the opportunity as president, why didn't he get tough with china then when he had the opportuni opportunity? >> corey: well, chris, we were listening to what the media has defined as the experts and dr. fauci specifically in juneau -- >> chris: come on, corey. corey, corey, wait a minute, you're telling me that the president -- they're going to blame the president's inaction on dr. fauci? >> corey: no -- chris, if we're going to follow the science and listen to dr. fauci, he has been lifted up as the media of the foremost expert on this matter in the world. this into what dr. fauci said. first he said masks would not be needed. then he said banning flights coming in from mainland china were not necessary and now we know, chris, the dr. fauci, through his government agency, funded at least $800,000 of government taxpayer money to the wuhan laboratory. so the question now with all the
males coming out from dr. fauci is what did he know and when did he know it and did he give information to the president which we could have used to prevent a series of these deaths of occurring? this president, president trump was very tough on china. we put a series of tariffs on their products so that we could compete on a global scale. we also found out, chris, that because of the inadequacies of the previous administration, we were completely unprepared when it came to finding ppe equipment number the reason being everything was manufactured in china so through operation warp speed and the retooling of some plants here in the united states, the president was able to once again produced personal protective equipment so that we were not reliant on china. >> chris: we could go on on this and the fact that the president refused to wear a mask in public for over three months after the cdc recommended it, but let me move on to another subject. the president continues to say that the 202020 election was stolen and according to a numbee
political spectrum, various news outlets from "the new york times" to the national review, he has told people around him recently that he believes he will be reinstated as president by august. corey, can you please explain to our viewers under what provision of law or the constitution president trump can be reinstated as president? >> corey: sure, chris, and i can tell you i've spoken to the president dozens if not more than a hundred times since he has left the white house and the president and i have never had a conversation about him being reinstated so i can't specifically comment on what he has said to other individuals because it hasn't been a conversation that i've had with them and i know of no provision under the constitution that allows that to occur, no do i know of any provision under the constitution that allows an individual t lost an election to come back if a recount is dubbed inaccurate. so look, there are election integrity matters that we need
to deal with. there's no question about that and specifically when i was in philadelphia, pennsylvania, after the election results, we notified the media of at least one dead person who voted. it is unequivocal, but the response from the media was "that person was a trump supporter." we have to have election integrity -- >> chris: you keep blaming this on the media. the fact of the matter is this went to more than 60 different court cases and you were beaten in everyone. the supreme court refused to even hear the trump challenges, so please don't blame this on the media. you had your day in court and you lost. >> corey: but chris, what i'm saying that the media's obligation and responsibility should be is making sure we have a fair and honest account of what the election results were. look, i have provided specific examples -- >> chris: what about the courts? what about the courts? trump-appointed judges, including the supreme court that has a 6-3 conservative majority? they threw you out of court.
>> corey: it's not the court a posthumous decision or obligation to ensure that dead people aren't voting. that's a legislative or sponsor billeted. and what, chris, in my hometown in new hampshire, unitless and the listeners know this, we had voting irregularities from with the voting machines reported on election day to what the actual count was and the reason we know that is because the democrat state representative who lost election in my hometown was entitled to a recount. that recount transpired on three separate occasions. it was hand done and the voting tallies from election night show that the republican representative was shorted approximately 300 votes based on what the machine said as opposed to what the recount said. in the state of new hampshire, we passed a bill, the governor signed it and a full forensic audit is underway to determine what her leg in her 80s or potential malfeasance occurred in that election but we should, as the greatest republic in the history of the country -- of the world, have the right to know what the final election tally was for the most important job
in the world. >> chris: well, let's talk about that final election tally of president trump's vice president, mike pence, spoke about all of that and specifically about the january 6th insurrection on capitol hill this week. take a look at what vice president pence said. >> january 6th was a dark day in the history of the united states capital. violence was quelled. the capital was secured and that same day, we reconvened the congress and did our duty under the constitution and the laws of the united states. >> chris: so, you've got the president's running mate, mike pence, saying that congress did its duty under the constitution, certifying the election of joe biden. first of all, how does president trump view that and what you think are the chances that if trump does run for president in 2024, mike pence will be his running mate? >> corey: well, the 2024 election is a long way off and
very honest that we're focused right now, president trump is focused and where we are focused is taking back the house of representatives and the u.s. senate and retiring nancy pelosi and chuck schumer from their leadership positions. look, the left has governed as the most radical left government in our nation's history. >> chris: i'm asking you about is mike pence saying that congress did its duty certifying biden's election? >> corey: chris, we don't have a national election apparatus in this country. we have a series of 50 states that all report into the congress to ratify the results of their respective states and that's what occurred. >> chris: and they all certify the results. >> corey: chris, it's also very important to remember this. there was no state in the country that said dueling electors to washington, d.c., so every state had the opportunity to send their electorates to washington to be certified. each state did that respectively on the congress accepted those certifications from the states.
>> chris: aware going to have to leave it there, corey, thank you. thanks for your time, it's always good to talk with you. up next, he's been called the most powerful man in washington not named joe biden and he has a big say in the success of the president's agenda. we will talk with senator joe manchin about infrastructure and voting rights and a lot more when we come right back. ♪ ♪ (vo) while you may not be running an architectural firm,
>> chris: president biden has rejected the latest infrastructure offer from senate republicans, but the white house says he'll talk again tomorrow with their lead negotiator, senator shelley moore capito in the hopes of striking a bipartisan deal. meanwhile, -- joining us now, the man in the middle on capitol hill, democratic senator joe manchin. senator, the president and senate republicans are still far apart on any kind of infrastructure compromise. i want you to take a look at some of the differences, we are going to put them up. the president now wants $1 trillion. he's come down from 2.25. $1 trillion in new spending on infrastructure. republicans are office offering $300 billion. the president proposes a minimum tax rate of 15% to pay for it. republicans oppose any tax increase so as you can see, they are far apart.
you're part of another bipartisan senate group working on a possible compromise. if this negotiation falls apart, and it sure looks like it's going to, what's your plan? >> senator manchin: chris, first of all, i commend the president and senator capital, my colleague from west virginia, for continuing to work hard. they're working hard trying to find a compromise. they've come a long way and they are moving in the right direction. of we have to wait and see the outcome. shelley is also a part of what we call our g20 club, which is basically there's ten democrats and ten republicans so we are supporting, we are working with everybody that we can, bringing all the different good ideas to the table, how we come together. we need a bipartisan infrastructure bill. we most definitely need that. infrastructure is something that's been delayed for far too long bypassed an ministrations. it's time for us to move forward. that's a lot that's been done with the covid bills we put out that basically overlap in some areas of infrastructure but there's a lot more that needs to be done and i think we can come
to that compromise to where we will find a bipartisan deal. i'm very confident of that. >> chris: well, secretary of energy granholm reiterated this morning that house democrats are going to start their markup of the bill with or without republicans and if there is no compromise on infrastructure, ai think it's fair to say maybe not enough, but the joe biden has made some big concessions both on spending and a different tax plan. if it were to go in the senate as a straight party line vote, budget reconciliation, will you support that kind of build? in other words, i guess what i'm asking is, straight party line infrastructure build better than no bill at all? >> senator manchin: i think -- you know, i still have all the confidence in the world, chris, we're going to get there. my goodness, the president has gone from 2.25 trillion down to $1 trillion. the republicans have come up quite a bit from where they started. this is the same type of
challenges we had back last year when we had to all get together and break a deadlock but we are not there yet. i think they're going to be talking again tomorrow. we will wait, we will talk to the senator after those meetings, we will talk to the white house. and we think we can find a pathway forward. we are not that far apart. chris, i want to say this. in the first five months of this year, we have operated more the way the senate is supposed to operate, in a bipartisan way, than ever since i've been here in ten years. so under schumer -- under senator schumer's leadership, we find more bills, more amendments voted on. we've gone through a normal process more and people are continually trying to push us to more division and i keep saying let's continue to keep working. the senate is working. we've done bipartisan about the asian hate crime bill. it was, you know, 94-1. we are now based on the new frontier, the endless frontier, we are going to that bipartisan
next week as soon as we get back so we are moving in the right direction. >> chris: let me ask you about another issue, voting rights. you're the only democrat in the senate who is not supporting s1, the so-called "for the people act," which would be a major voting reform bill. you say it's too broad and too partisan and instead, you support basically a -- a renewal of the 1965 voting rights act which said that the feds get free clearance on any roof voting rate changes in individual states but you'd like to to apply to all 50 states, not just the states in the south with a history of segregation. a couple of questions, one, is chuck schumer making a mistake pushing this big bill, before the people act and saying he wants to vote on it by the end of the month and two, if he does bring it to the floor, will you vote against that bill? >> senator manchin: i've been pretty clear on that. i did an op-ed back home home in
west virginia that came out today and laid out my concerns and my preference of what, you know, what i think would happen. you know, voting is the bedrock of our democracy. open, fair, secured voting. we used to go around the world and explain and show and observe voting procedures in a democracy. and now if we can't practice what we preach, we are going to basically do an overhaul, and 800 page overhaul of the voting rights are what we call "for the people act," i think there's a lot of great things i agree in that piece of legislation but there's an awful lot of things that basically don't pertain directly to voting, so the voting rights act -- speeone's let me just -- >> senator manchin: sure. >> chris: so just to put a button on this, you will vote against that bill if it gets to the senate floor? >> senator manchin: i think it's the wrong piece of legislation. i'm not supporting that because i think it would divide us they're there. i don't want to be in a country
divided any further and right now. i think by democrat republican colleagues continue to feel the same. if we continue to divide it and separate us more, it's not going to be divided and is not going to be the country would love and know and it will be hard because it will be back and forth no matter who's in power and that's why i've been protecting -- spam that brings -- >> senator manchin: the process. >> chris: that brings us to a comment by president biden this week about you and arizona senator kyrsten sinema. take a look. >> president biden: i hear all the folks on tv saying why didn't biden get this done? well, because biden only has a majority of effectively four votes in the dash and a tie in the senate. two senators that vote more with my republican friends. >> chris: we looked it up and infect on bills that have gotten to the senate floor, you have voted with president biden 100% of the time, but you have opposed him on bills that haven't gotten to the senate yet. for instance, this "for the
people act" with the democrats intend to put on the floor, you say you're going to vote against that. you're against the $50 minimum wage. i don't want to get into the detail of those but is it fair when joe biden says he doesn't have solid support from democrats like you? >> senator manchin: i think that's taken out of content and i support president biden and what he's doing, what is trying to do. no one understands the senate, the makeup of the senate and the challenges we have as a senate more than president joe biden, who is here over 30 some years. with that, he understands we got to find a pathway forward and joe biden always could do that and i know he understands where we are on this and we are trying to find a pathway. of course he has his position, he lays out his proposals. we look at those and we make adjustments accordingly. that's what we're trying to do. and i think deep down in his heart he knows we need to bring this country together and so i've said this. i believe joe biden is the right person, the right place, the right time for our country. now we have to unite together and that means a little bit of
difficulties and challenges, but we will get through it. we are the most deliberate body in the world and that was by design. >> chris: i want to ask you to questions quickly, if i can, senator manchin, about that. first of all, you've made it clear, and i'm not going to ask you again, you said that you oppose scrapping the filibuster. the question i have is whether or not -- and you say you hope that that will bring the parties together. the question i have is whether your doing it exactly the wrong way and hear me out on this. if you were to keep the idea that maybe you would vote to kill the filibuster, wouldn't that give republicans an incentive to actually negotiate, because old joe manchin is out there and who knows what he's going to do. by taking it off the table haven't you empowered republicans to be obstructionist? >> senator manchin: i don't think so, because we have seven great republicans that continue to vote for what they know is right, not worrying about the political consequences. i believe there's a lot more of
my republican colleagues and friends who feel the same way. i'm just hoping they're able to rise to the occasion to defend our country and support our country and make sure that we have a democracy for this republic of all the people. i'm just very helpful. i see good signs. we are doing, chris, more things than ever before. give us some time. i know everyone is putting deadlines, got to be done by this and this. >> chris: but let me ask you the final question, sir. let's just take the nine -- the idea of creating a 9/11 commission to investigate the january 6th insurrection at the capital. it republicans blocked that. senator mcconnell, the head of the republicans in the senate, says that he's 100% focused on blocking the biden agenda. question, aren't you being naive about thisan cooperation? >> senator manchin: are not being naive. i think is 100% wrong and trying to block all the good things we are trying to do for america.
it would be a lot better if we had participation and we are getting participation but when it comes time to final vote, i disagree with leader mcconnell on this and minority leader on this issue that he puts politics before the policy that i think we need for our country. i'm going to continue to keep working with my bipartisan friends and hopefully we can get more of it. if i can tell you this, in 2013, at that time, harry lead, the leader of the party, basically the nuclear option, the filibuster on appointments and circuit judges. come back 2017, then we had leader mcconnell that time and the majority and he did away with it for the supreme court. so what goes around comes around here. they all understand that and there were 33 democrats in 2017 that signed a letter to please save the filibuster and save our democracy. that's what i'm trying to do. >> chris: senator manchin, thank you. thanks for coming in today, please come back, sir. >> senator manchin: thanks, chris, i will.
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our plan is working and we're not going going to let up now. >> chris: president biden continuing to push for his jobs bill, including a huge infrastructure plan, but making little progress in talks with senate republicans. and it's time now for our sunday group. former rnc communications director doug heye. susan page of "usa today" and fox news contributor marie harf. so, susan, let me start with you. you've been around washington a while, as i have. what's your sense of where we are headed with infrastructure? a bipartisan compromise, a straight party line vote through budget reconciliation in the senate, or no bill at all? >> you know, i think that we are at the point where the negotiations are making a point, not making a deal. and making a point, first and foremost, to your last guest, make the point they have tried in good faith to reach a bipartisan deal and i thought it was interesting that senator manchin
and your question, response to your question, did not rule out voting for a bill along a pure party line vote, a reconciliation bill when it comes to this infrastructure. i think it was a significant suggestion. democrats are now moving ahead on the things they need to do to pass this bill on a party line vote through reconciliation, including hearings that begin in the house this week on that transportation bill. senator manchin said he's very confident they can reach a bipartisan bill. if he's very confident, he is the only one in washington it feels that way. i think we are moving toward a party line vote on it. >> chris: dog, you know, infrastructure is almost always popular with voters. they like seeing new bridges, they like seeing resurfaced highways without potholes in them, and you look at the latest jobs numbers that came out on friday, the economy is still struggling a bit. is it a smart political play for republicans if in the end they
infrastructure and democrats and up taking either with the responsibility and the benefit of passing it? >> well, it's certainly a risky strategy but not without precedent. if you go back to 2009, joe biden led a stimulus job package that democrats said would be electoral doom for republicans if they opposed it. obviously in 2010 that didn't happen. i still hope that a deal as possible but the reality is, chris, is not a question of what is the number, 1.1 trillion versus 900 billion or what have you. the reality is republicans and democrats disagree on what the parameters are. how do you pay for it? is it really infrastructure? those are real differences. >> chris: marie, let me ask you about that. republicans say if the answer was just spending more money, that the economy would already be booming, and as we saw with the latest job report for may, it isn't booming and the president is talking -- let's
assume now that there's no deal with republicans, so he can go back to his original 2.25 trillion for jobs and 1.9 trillion for his family plan. you're talking about $4 trillion in more spending, $4 trillion in more taxes. isn't there a political risk democrats in that joe biden is going to be sticking a big tax and spend liberal sticker on the back of any democrat who runs for election in the 2022 midterms? >> well, chris, both republicans and democrats have proven themselves very willing to spend a lot of money in the past few years and so this is increasingly a bipartisan way to do business in washington. i think joe biden will make the argument in the midterm elections that first this spending is helping real americans. we just saw this week how the government programs that help people come out of covid, come out of the economic situation, were really helping real americans on the ground and he
will also make the case that this spending is about building up the middle class and coming out of this crisis even strong stronger. something we didn't do very well in the previous economic crisis. so if he makes the case that look, i came down on spending, i tried to change the way we would pay for it and republicans just had no interest in governing. they are already gearing up for the midterms and all of these programs, all of the spending is impacting real americans in a really positive way but that's the case joe biden and democrats in congress will have to make in the midterms and we will see evidence of that if this actually passes with roads and bridges and all of the things we talked about. >> chris: i want to turn to a serious and growing issue, and that is cyber attacks and you had the extraordinary statement this week from fbi director christopher wray that he now compares the threat from cyber attacks to the threat from terrorism and compares it to what we were facing just before
9/11 and here was white house press secretary jen psaki on that same subject this week. >> president biden certainly think that president putin and the russian government has a role to play in stopping and preventing these attacks. hence, it will be a topic of discussion when they meet in two weeks. >> chris: susan, do you expect president biden to be able to make headway on the issue of cyber attacks and what the world is going to do about it first when he meets with allies starting this week in europe and then on june 16th when he sits down with russian president putin? >> those two venues are related, right? if there can be more concerted action by allies to pressure russia to stop supporting these cyber attacks, stop providing a safe haven for these groups that are mounting them, that would be helpful. you know, it's hard though. we've seen the admin's duration, the biden administration, in april impose some tough sanctions on russia to not great effect and the question is to
what degree is the united states willing to disrupt u.s.-russian relations on this front when there are other issues on which we want to have some cooperation. i think this is a tough one. that meeting in geneva that's coming up between the president and putin really are crucial one to watch. >> chris: doug, what can we do, both the u.s. unilaterally, the u.s. as part of a western movement, the public side of it, the private side of that, what can we do to protect ourselves from cyber attacks? when you see the biggest meat supplier in the country shut down, when you see the owners of the biggest gas energy pipeline in the country shut down, that's got to get your attention. >> yeah, absolutely, and it needs to be from topvernment, nm president biden being tough with vladimir putin when they meet in geneva. also china, we shouldn't leave them out of this conversation but it's up to congress to
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>> it's is more likely to be a natural jumping of species to an animal reservoir to a human. however, since we don't know that for sure, that you've got to keep an open mind. >> dr. fauci to this day says he still trusts the chinese scientists. i don't think he seems to be aware of the way it works in a communist government. >> chris: dr. anthony fauci on the debate over the origins of covid-19 and senator rand paul, one of many republicans slamming him for being too trusting of the chinese government and we are back now with the panel. susan, what's going on right now? why all this renewed focus on the origins of the coronavirus, and why all the attacks on dr. fauci? >> well, dr. fauci apparently much more powerful in the trump administration than any of us realize, judging from your conversation with corey lewandowski about the influence on policy towards
china and everything else. of course we want to find out the origins of covid-19. i think it is fair to say that scientists, including dr. fauci, to quick to dismiss the possibility that it was a lab leak from a hunt. we are now going back to look at that with the benefit of additional information. i think that some republicans and some veterans of the trump administration are focusing on dr. fauci and the question of the origins so that we are not talking but the trump administration response to the coronavirus pandemic, which has been really criticized as something that was not adequate to the challenge of the moment. i guess i think that politics is what's going on. >> chris: [laughs] what a surprise. it's like, what, in "casablanca," there's gambling going on in the back room. but maria, one of the points republicans would argue is that last year when donald trump
raised the possibility that this had escaped from the wuhan lab, whether it was just an accident, whether it was on purpose, that there was a knee-jerk reaction from democrats to dismiss that and the argument -- and also from some of the media and at the argument in effect was if trump says it, it can't be true. >> well, a lot of things donald trump said weren't true, so he didn't have a lot of credibility with the american people, but he also talked about it in a way that many people found offensive, borderline racist. not even just borderline, outright racist and also used it as a tactic to deflect from his own administration's responsibility. i think what's important of what's happened in the past few weeks as the intelligence community did somethingeally smart. they were released -- they pulled back the curtain and said there are two working theories. some of our analysts believe one and some believe the other. both are low confidence and we are going to dig back into all that information that we have from the last year to see if we
can get some more clarity. not trusting politicians, but having the experts say here's what we know and here's what we don't know and look, corey lewandowski calling for a commission to investigate the trumpet missed ration of us response to covid. every democrat i know probably heard that and said "fine, yes." dr. fauci did what he could to save american lives with incomplete information and the trump administration and his allies are using dr. fauci as a punching bag today to deflect from their failures. >> chris: doug -- look, nobody comes out of the pandemic looking particularly good. donald trump clearly made some mistakes, joe biden clearly made some mistakes, talking about the president of festiva's decision to close -- to shut off travel from china. i guess the question is, why the focus on dr. fauci, and if you can, make the strongest case you can as to why dr. fauci should somehow be held accountable he
here. >> well, everybody should be accountable. this is a situation that we basically haven't dealt with in over 100 years with the spanish flu in the previous century. so mistakes are going to be made. this is the first time dealing with a global pandemic for everyone involved but what we've seen, and you mentioned this earlier, is there's been a politicalization of everything around covid, so everything has to be somebody else's fault. that's also been weaponized and i think one of the problems in this situation is when some but he is as deified in the american popular culture as dr. fauci, somebody i have great respect for. when they are deified with all of the cocktails and the doctor fauci t-shirts and murals and hashtags and bobblehead's, it's going to create a backlash among people who are on the other side who want to defend president trump, want to defend republicans in congress. he then becomes a very easy target because he is seemingly everywhere. so it's not surprising that we see some kind of a backlash. the reality is the science then gets lost in the conversation and what we should be talking about is what were the origins of this pandemic.
that gets lost and silenced and it it weren't for the work that as marie pointed out from the intelligence community also josh roman at "the washington post" has been dogged and having this come out, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. we need to get to the bottom of what happen so we can prevent the next one from happening. >> chris: but -- you're here as a former republican official, i guess what i don't understand is what is it that dr. fauci supposedly did wrong? and then particularly with regard to the origins. he said he believed it was more likely that it was a naturally occurring phenomenon than a lab leak. we still have no hard evidence that it was a lab leak and there was this $600,000 grant, money that went to the wuhan lab and, you know, there seems to be no hard evidence it was used for gain of function or to somehow weaponize the virus. what's the hard evidence against
fauci? >> i don't think there is a lot of evidence. i think it is let's ascribe blame and find evidence that suits our argument later. unfortunately that's a lot of what happens in washington, d.c., right now and if you look at every house or senate hearing that dr. fauci is out, it becomes very contentious very quickly if not immediately and we know beforehand that certain senators, certain arbors of congress are going to use him as a punching bag. unfortunately i don't think that helps us get to the bottom of the information that we need. >> chris: susan, you know, there was an interesting comment this week from the senior advisor to donald trump, jason miller, who said that there are, his words, visceral reaction in the trump baster dr. fauci, people associate him with shutdowns, with their kids not being able to go to school. we did have these 5,000 emails or whatever it was that were released under the freedom of information act and i can't say i read everyone. i certainly read accounts about every one.
is there some smoking gun there that i'm missing? >> here's what strikes you when you read those emails. if number one, he responds to emails from strangers that had questions. that's pretty remarkable. but also what he was saying in emails and private largely consistent with what he was saying to the public out loud. so when you find things about masks, for instance -- you know, there was a point when the expert opinion was that masks were not required. then it changed. in private he was saying masks were not required. change. it contributed to his cart ability and one reason dr. fauci may be so annoying to president trump if that his court ability on this issue is about double president trump 'spread ability when it comes to handling the coronavirus. dr. fauci has a higher approval rating than either president trump or president biden. >> chris: [laughs] you can't trust anybody was got a high approval rating. guess one of the questions i
have, for all this talk about we are going to find out what the origins of the coronavirus were, the chinese have now had more than a year. they've now had more than a year, what you think are the chances that we are ever going to find out what the origins were? >> i think the chances that the chinese government will cooperate our very, very low, and that's why i think the intelligence community, our public health experts, maybe some whistle-blowers from china, from wuhan, they will actually be the ones, if we can get to the bottom of this, that will be able to dig out some of those facts. we may never have a complete picture or a smoking gun and i do not think that the chinese had any incentive to help anyone. i wish they did, i wish there were levers of power we could pull to make them cooperate, but unfortunately if donald trump had pushed them to cooperate all those many months ago, we would have had a better chance. he didn't, so let's rely on
intelligence, scientists, experts, to see if we can get some clarity on how this start started. >> chris: and in ten seconds, when the president, president trump, talked yesterday about seeking $10 trillion in reparations from china, how will that be received in beijing? you got ten seconds. >> it will be received with the same amount of credibility it has here. they will probably laugh at it and ignore it. >> chris: thank you, panel, see you next sunday. up next, some inspiring advice for the class of 2021 from our "power players of the week." ♪ ♪ that's great, carl. but we need something better. that's easily adjustable has no penalties or advisory fee. and we can monitor to see that we're on track. like schwab intelligent income. schwab! introducing schwab intelligent income. a simple, modern way to pay yourself from your portfolio. oh, that's cool... i mean,
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