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compares to reagan's glitzsy galas that happened 36 years ago today. breaking news changes everything on fox news channel. "your world" with neil cavuto starts right now. >> neil: all right. despite a heap of controversy and criticism, president obama in his final news conference standing by the decision to commute chelsea manning's preson sentence. take a look. >> chelsea manning has served a tough prison sentence. i felt that in light of all of the circumstances that commuting her sentence was entirely appropriate. >> neil: all right. many in the military community say that's not the case. that manning was behind the same type of intelligence leaks that were very big issues to democrats pointing out the election results didn't matter
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then suddenly matter now. suddenly don't matter now. the confusion is rampant. brett bauer, author of "three days in january" and that tossing of a baton and so many other ways of one administration and another. and brett, what do you make of what the president is saying about this? it's done, but how do you think he characterized it, she suffered enough? >> it's interesting to hear the president defend that considering his own defense secretary and leaders in the u.s. army were pushing against this decision, this commutation saying it sent a signal around the world about this kind of leak of classified materials. they were not alone. i interviewed vice president-elect mike pence on the mall overlooking the u.s. capitol where he will overtake the office of vice president friday. here's what he said about it.
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>> to commute private manning's sentence was a mistake. private manning is a traitor. should not have been turned into a martyr as senator cotton said. private mannings actions compromised our national security, compromised individuals in afghanistan who were cooperating with our forces by leaking 750,000 documents to wikileaks. >> i went on to press him about wikileaks and julian assange and if he's going to let himself to be extradited to face trial in the u.s. and if trump would press that considering the fact that they talked about the positive things from the release of the material that wikileaks put out. he said they would. they would move forward with prosecution. so we'll see. >> neil: you know, he didn't associate the wikileaks here in
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this case involving manning versus those that became the subject of considerable discourse and debate during the campaign and afterwards. what did you make of that? >> i thought it was interesting. i thought that there's a separation here. think about how much talk there was from the administration, from the president himself about russia hacking, about the implications there and then that this commutation comes at the end of that much time, that much oxygen being sucked up by that discussion was really telling. >> neil: now know, brett, while i have you hear, the goal was not to talk about the book but i was thinking about your book and at that time when eisenhower in his last few days spoke to the nation, warning about the great military industrial complex and then a few days later you have john f. kennedy, who is young enough to be the
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then-president's son and that transfer of power. then i thought about how this is going now. the president saying all the right things, but he was making it very clear that he will speak up when things are not what he likes or there are problems. in the case of dwight eisenhower, what was the role he picked in the kennedy straight, brief as that administration was? >> right, the warning, the farewell address, which was 56 years ago last night, eisenhower works on two years, 21 drafts to get it right. it was warning about the military industrial complex and deficits and debt and working in a bipartisan way. the role he plays after the bay of pigs, kennedy calls eisenhower. that's that iconic image on the
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front of the book, which is at camp david. he's looking for advice. he continues to do that. i don't know if that's going to be the case this time, neil. they have president obama and president-elect trump talked many times. president obama wouldn't talk about the details of that today: arguably the logistics of the transition have gone well from both sides accounts. but the president is also not weighing in on the 58 plus congressman that will not show up for inauguration day. it was telling that he didn't weigh-in on that. >> neil: thinking about on the book, kennedy could have said about the pay of pigs, they were recommended by guys in your administration and i took and heeded their advice. some said after that, he thought less of necessarily instantly accepting the military leaders'
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advice and it's the cynicism that has been borne out. you think about it, right through this administration on the way out. >> yeah, listen, that farewell address could have been read this last week. >> neil: absolutely. >> as things are really relevant. kennedy -- well, eisenhower started this small operation and trained operatives, started the process but he wanted the cuba exile government ready to go. somebody to take over castro and the operatives to have air power. none of those things happened. as they're walking up the path there, kennedy said you don't know how tough this is until you're in the office. eisenhower said with all due respect, mr. president, i told you that three months ago. >> neil: while i have you and you had a chance to speak to the vice president-elect 48 hours less than that from being vice president and a lot has been
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made, a big fuss, carried over to today, the remarks about the dollar is too high. they've been whip-sawed by that because they wondered, what is your view of the dollar and are you going to start rigging it as you claim the chinese and others have. what came of that discussion? >> i wanted to asked about that. obviously this is not usual for president-elects or presidents to delve into this kind of talk about the dollar. >> neil: ever. >> this is the front page of the "wall street journal." dollar sinks as trump talks it down. it is unusual for a president-elect, president, to talk about the strength of the dollar. is that going to be practice? >> well, i think the american people have elected a man who understands business. our president-elect understands that a strong dollar actually has a negative effect on american exports. in fact, much of the financial crisis in latin america just a
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few short years ago was driven by a strong american dollar. so expressing himself on those issues and expressing himself on broader economic policies is something the american people welcome. they should get used to. >> a man that understands business, neil, but a man that will probably operate not business as usual as far as the president goes. i think we've all come to realize that. we'll see how this goes after friday and what changes, if anything, about the way president-elect trump deals with the office. >> neil: yeah, if you think about it, he tweeted out concerns about the dollar policy, about the way businesses price their items, the drug industry the latest. even about the federal reserve. all bets are off now. >> it will be interesting to see. i'm interested on friday to listen to that speech. you know, he said that he's working on it and he's having an active hand and writing a lot of it. he sent out the tweet today with
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the pad. i'll be interested to see. i bet it has a lot of unity and america first and see if he can reach out to the people that are clearly not supporting him. >> neil: we'll watch closely. thanks, brett. it's going to be awhile. meantime, another thing that is wild, this ongoing reaction to what was the administration thinking in commuting the prison sentence of chelsea manning. amber smith, former u.s. military helicopter pilot. amber, the administration's view, the president's view is hey, she has been punished enough. roughly seven years into this. i didn't see the need to make it 35. what do you think? >> no, i think that's absolutely ridiculous. president obama doesn't seem to grasp the weight of the decision that he made. people were killed based on the secret documents and the
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classified information that chelsea manning released. so president obama is acting like he is a soft parent who has a troubled teenager and he's like oh, he means the best, he didn't really mean to do what he did. he didn't understand what he was doing. he was a military member. he got briefings on how to maintain that classified information, how you handle it. they had briefings and all sorts of continuation training. so i just think this is ridiculous that president obama is going out like this when he's acting like it's not that big of a deal. people were killed over this. >> neil: all right. it is what it is. i'm wondering if it's telegraphing one last blast of pardons and commutations. >> yeah, a lot of people are thinking this is one more national security mistake from president obama. but i think we're really seeing
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that president obama just views national security through a different lens than the rest of national security professionals. so i think it's a sad day as a former military member myself. i personally view it as the commander-in-chief turning his back to those soldiers and men and women in uniform who have to keep those secrets every day and people that risk their lives to keep those secrets. so i take it personally as a veteran and someone that has had to keep some of that secretive information, for him to sort of down play it and to glorify what chelsea manning did and acted as though it's not that big of an issue. it sets a dangerous precedent for the intelligence community and military men and women. >> neil: amber thank you. former u.s. army helicopter pilot. we're following up all the grilling that went on on capitol
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hill today. four different donald trump cabinet posts up for grabs in what was sort of a consistent theme to go over not just their background but sometimes things having nothing to do with their area of expertise. i'll explain because this guy on the left dealt with it first hand.
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>> we commit today that any replacement plan for the affordable care act will not in any way contribute to our deficit or our debt. >> i commit to working with you to make certain that that happens. >> will you commit as a member of the tea party that no replacement for this dreadful obamacare that allegedly created this deficit will add to the deficit and debt? will you commit to that? can't you tell the tea party you won't increase the deficit by appealing the affordable care act. >> there's a lot of contributions to the debt, as you know, senator. >> neil: that well went. the democrats going off on donald trump's choice for the health secretary, namely on the debt and as a republican some have charged how that added to it. but what was remarkable here in the back and forth, is that a party that by and large had ignored the doubling of the debt under this democratic president
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and their role in it is suddenly very much concerned about these issues. it's just an observation. catalina founding publisher from the women's independent forum, sabrina, what did you make of this new-found forum to get on top of the debt? >> they're all really good questions. i have no problems with democrats and republicans going after all of these individuals who are up for hearings. not because they should be nasty and really important jobs but have the ability to impact lives and the future of our country and the economy. there's a lot of questions to ask. the reality on the debt, the debt did increase by $9 trillion under president obama. he can only take part of the blame because really it's congress that controls it all. >> you're right about that. all i'm saying is, you know, it's -- i guess it goes to when
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leaks are bad idea, it -- not so much if you're pardoning someone or commuting their prison sentence, but on the debt, that was never really a big worry. deficit spending was never a big worry and now it's a big worry. i understand both parties play this game. but it's getting to be a little old, isn't it? >> you know, when it comes down to it, neil, democrats and republicans are guilty of this. that go on and on and the debt and deficit and both don't do that much about it. so we're engaged in this dance with the two parties where they cry foul on the other party and they're they're guilty of doing the same thing. >> neil: the one thing that department come through in that line of questioning, where i appreciate where the senator was going, the republicans talk about the debt and the deficit but they talk about the obamacare not being affordable in any way shape or measure. the debt and how it's made the deficit worse was a side issue.
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didn't even come up. so there are a lot of things that did come up, but rarely do i remember them making it an issue of compounding or debt. >> right. the economy actually as hillary clinton said always does better under a democrat than it does under a republican. the same is true for the obama administration. if anything, his record is close to ronald reagan. jimmy carter had a better economy than ronald reagan. democrats do better with debt and the economy than republicans do. >> neil: but i know what you're saying about the economy and the markets, but nobody should say our debt growth is less than your debt growth or our spending is better than your spending in excess. what i'm asking you, when i hear people telling me now that scan republicans aside of tax cuts or maybe rethink spending initiatives, are both parties hands strung here and do they recognize that?
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you think that's the worry here, kathy? >> i think when trump, president-elect trump says we're going to have free health insurance for all, automatically we think, oh, my gosh, what is going to happen to our economy and to the definite set -- >> neil: he didn't say free insurance. he said health insurance for all. >> doesn't that mean free health insurance for all? >> neil: no, it does not. >> that's how we interpreted. >> neil: maybe you did. i listened to his words. where are we going now? i talked to steve moore here. we don't have to rerun what he said. i can tell you what he said. we might have to do our tax cuts in waves here. corporate taxes first and then individual tax rates after that. which sounds to me like they're not really on the same page. that they could blow an opportunity for big tax cuts. or they're reassessing it to these issues that have been mentioned here and saying, it's
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not doable. what do you think? >> yeah, like many things it remains to be seen in the coming weeks, what will happen. but look, both parties, republicans and democrats tend to use the budget in particular as a weapon. they cry and moan about what the other side is doing and especially with debt they're doing the same thing. >> neil: sabrina, where are we going with this? if we're getting things scaled back or potentially rejiggered, are republicans in some disarray here? >> this puts into perspective how large government has become and why it's so hard to get things done. one of the reasons we're having fights over tax reform is everybody wants a piece of the pie. when government is in the business of energy, in the business of healthcare. in the business of exploration, then it gets hard to make sure that that everybody gets their fair share. the bottom line, we want to
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reign it in. >> neil: and here we be. thank you all very much. by the way, when we come back, what the 66 democrats are doing that are skipping out on the inauguration. what's going on?
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>> neil: can you believe it up to 66 now, the number of democrats, all congress, that are not growing to the trump inauguration? many argue like john lewis that started this, that he's an illegitimate president and it's gone on and on. earlier i had a chance to speak to a prominent democrat, andrew young, our former ambassador to the united nations in the carter administration and he had a different take on this issue. take a look. do you think he's an
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illegitimate president? >> no. i think this is something that, for one, i don't believe that -- though i know the russians tried to disrupt this election, we lost this election. the russians didn't take it. we did it, and it's our fault. we overestimated, we played president-elect trump cheap, we did not think he could get elected. the polls said we were in lead and we were wrong. >> neil: let me repeat again. "we lost this election, the russians didn't take it." what do you think of what this powerful figure in the democratic party, civil rights icon in his own right? what do you think of that? >> i applaud him to his courage. i said to every democrat as if we were swearing in hillary
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clinton, it's not a celebration of that individual, it's a celebration of the presidency and even more than that, a celebration of america. these inaugurations bring together democrats and republicans, every four years, to communicate to our country and to the world that our democracy is stronger than any one individual. that elections only come every four years and that the rest of the time is about governing. how can you possibly govern if you have a significant percentage of the opposition party that doesn't even have the respect to participate in this great event? neil, i've been on your show and i've expressed a great deal of concern about where our country is headed. this is one of the worst displays in my mind of immaturity. i would tell them to grow up and show up. it's your responsibility, your voters voted for you to participate. >> neil: so many of these
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congressmen and women come from safe democratic districts. 2/3s came from california. they feel safe enough to do this. but i'm wondering what the message is to their voters, to the supporters, to their constituents if it spreads the world that donald trump is an illegitimate president? whatever your opinions are of him. i like your point this moment that we celebrate in this country is as much about the presidency as it is the president, as much about the white house and the occupant in the white house. having said that, it will fall now on 66 different constituents who will not get that view. >> i'm sure that in some of these districts, a majority of the voters would say don't go. that's what makes america so strong and so effective. that we had one time in our history in 1860 when states decided that they wanted to opt
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out rather than participate in a union. the results of that was cataclysmic. all that i think americans should be asking of their elected officials is to listen, is to learn, is to work together and if you can't even show up on that inaugural day, to celebrate all that is great about american exceptionalism, then we have a fundamental problem in this country and it's going to get worse and worse. i urge trump voters to call these districts. i urge clinton voters to call these members of congress and to say we have to participate. we can't take our ball and our bat and go home. >> neil: that's a message pretty much from andrew young. but this was barack obama's final press conference today. again, reminding people that he was going to show up at the trump inauguration. of course, he has no choice. and hillary clinton, obviously,
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will show up. do you think that counters any of this? >> it doesn't. but -- and i've got one word for barack obama. i don't know if he's listening today -- >> neil: he does. it's ridiculous. he does. >> then if he's listening, there's someone out there, mike milken. the person that is doing more for education, for taking technology, innovation and supporting science. mike milken, if there's anyone that deserves a pardon, it's not these people that sold out america, it's not the criminals, it's a gentleman that has spent his entire life promoting cures for cancer, promoting quality education, supporting of science. mike milken has done for more people like you and me and keeping us healthy than any other individual in america. if barack obama cares about this country, he will find a way to pardon him over the next 24 hours. that is someone that deserves
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it. >> neil: you're talking about the financier -- >> yes. it's putting aside politics and partisanship and recognizing someone that is a genuine american hero. he deserves a pardon and i hope the president is listening right now. >> neil: for the others, you think there will be more activity of that sort out of this president before he leaves? >> i do. he's going to be pardoning people with low-level drug offenses or pardoning people that were found to have given away american secrets. those are not the people that we should be saying, okay, we're going to forget about what you did. if you have done something great in your life as mike milken has done, that's what deserves a pardon. i hope that your listeners and you have millions of them, neil, i hope they call the white house in the next 24 hours -- >> neil: milken is living a good life now. it's not as if he's been robbed of that. >> but he's being robbed of his
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reputation. someone that has done more for prostate cancer than any other human being. he deserves it. >> neil: thanks. we'll have more on this and the chelsea manning sentence.
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>> neil: all right. she suffered enough. chelsea manning, that was the view from the president of the united states. but did she? coming out now of prison in a couple months, that is shaving 30 years off of a prison sentence. senator, what do you make of what the president said today? >> well, neil, it's very disappointing and doesn't justify his unwise decision for chelsea manning who put at risk the lives of americans and people around the world that cooperated with us and it's going to be very hurtful to us going forward. we depend on the cooperation of people around the world to help advance our interests. with the president in a prominent-type profile way deciding to cut short the sentence of someone that leaked that information, it's going to
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cause people to think twice about cooperating with the united states. >> neil: there was a large growing lgbt community demanding her early release maybe because of the trans-gender thing. i have no idea. but something changed the president's mind to do what he did and to make the argument that she suffered enough. is he even didn't draw the parallel of the irony, arguing for someone that was instrumental in getting the wikileaks, the stuff that got out and embarrassed hillary clinton and the stuff that has really been a consternation for democrats saying that that fit the election and then doing this. there was no connection. what did you think of that? >> neil, chelsea manning's change is besides the point when it comes to the crimes she
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committed. >> neil: do you think it would have been the same i remained bradley man something. >> i can't read barack obama's mind. his answer didn't hold weight with me. the fact is she got a 35-year sentence for serious crimes. she would have been up for parole in a few years. if she was going to be released early would have been better than a sensational high profile, much discussed presidential pardon because of that signal that extends to those people around the world that now doubt whether the american government will be able to keep their identity secret if they decide to cooperate with america. >> neil: all right. so you noticed and didn't get any world that lgbt groups and others arguing on her behalf didn't influence this decision? >> neil, i can't read the president's mind. it's certainly not an issue for me. what i care about is the crimes that she committed and the signal that we're sending around the world. >> neil: one of the republicans
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said the crimes he or she committed, the gender, but the crime. let's step back and get to this anger developing. we're getting mixed messages in the white house that the intelligence leaks was damaging to democrats and particularly hillary clinton. but this stuff is not. what did you think? >> i don't know, neil. make barack obama's position on wikileaks is it's bad when it i'm -- embarrasses the democrats. i don't know. maybe we should take our secrecy laws and classified information very seriously. >> neil: some say that julian assange should get pardoned. but he is still president for another 38, 39, 40 hours. so what do you think could happen?
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>> that's right, neil. obviously chelsea manning's case is the most high profile. maybe we shouldn't overlook other looks that he's taken this week. he released a convicted puerto rican terrorist. he released hundreds of drug dealers keeping with his policy of letting drug dealers go. his actions the last several days have badly undermined our national security and law and order here in the united states. hope he doesn't do more in the next two days. never know. >> thanks, congressman cotton. we had tom price for hhs, wilbur ross for commerce. we have scott pruitt for epa. nikki haley and the u.n. post. there were arguments that came
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up in her discussion that i don't think i've heard in any discussion any wherever in the history of man kind and woman man kind. i'll explain.
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>> you won't shy away from threatening and actually enacting, withholding u.s. funding to get real reforms out of the u.n.? >> i won't shy away and i need your help to do it. i need to say i have congress backing me up, saying if this doesn't change, the funding will stop. i think that that could be great leverage. >> neil: good luck with that. because nikki haley found out today that pretty contentious hearings when you try to hold the united nations' feet to the fire as being one of the biggest financier, we account for one of every $3, every bets are off.
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john bolton joins us. what did you make of what she was saying? obviously the decision to let happen a u.n. indictment of what israel is doing and to call the u.n. on the carpet for that on these settlements and not expect some blow-back? what did you think? >> i thought that her position was exactly correct. it warmed my heart. i think that's exactly what the united states needs to do. it works. in 1989, the palestine liberation organization tried to join the world health organization as a member state which it manifestly was not. i was involved in stopping that. secretary of state jim baker said publicly if any organization in the u.n. system upgrades the status of the plo, the united states will cut off all contributions. by god, the status of the plo
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was not upgraded. congress put that in law. that was another point. she needs congresses backing. that worked up until the obama administration when they moaned and groaned when the palestinians tried to join. so they admitted them. now we're saving money not contributing. so i think that was a cauterizing wound across the u.s. system. i don't think the palestinians will get any anywhere else and that's the way it should be. >> neil: one thing i noticed in her confirmation hearing and wilbur ross and price and scott prude of the epa, the issue of climate change came up. i guess i could make a point for nikki haley, darned if i would have a tough time with either commerce or a couple of these
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others. but that was a wedged in point. by the way, you at hhs, you of the united nations, in the middle of everything else going on, that that was going to be a litmus test. >> well, there's a lot of carbon emissions in the united nations from the delegates talking about things that are irrelevant. so if it means reducing carbon emissions out of the u.n. to reduce climate change, count me? >> neil: i don't know how you feel about this. a democrat raised this. governor haley, are you telling us -- paraphrasing here -- that if a decision comes down that you or the administration doesn't like it, that would be an opportunity for you to threaten funding, threaten support or walk off? we should be careful how we handle this argument. take our marbles and go home or
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take the marbles that we paid for and go home. what do you think? >> i hope this anti-israel resolution that obama let be adopted by the security council moves us to a more profound debate about whether we ought to pay assessed or mandatory contributions to the u.n. as it is. you mentioned we pay 22%, 25% or more of the peace keeping, which is the biggest in the budget. it's like a tax on the united states. they set the budget and we pay 22%. i think the way it ought to be is we make all contributions voluntary based on the revolutionary principle that we pay only for what we want and should insist we get what we pay for. that revolutionary principle would have a profound impact on the u.n. and the u.n.'s strongest supporters should want that because they should want a u.n. that is effective, not in the shape it's in now. >> neil: thank you, ambassador. very good seeing you. how do you feel about jim brown? he's the greatest football
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player that ever lived. maybe the greatest athlete that ever lived. and he has a message for those who are skipping out on a quadrennial event. jim brown is next.
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. >> neil: all right. to those 66 democratic congressmen and women that are opting out of the trump inauguration friday, this might be a moment to listen to jim brown, the nfl hall of famer, arguably the greatest running back that ever lived about what message that could be sending. jim brown, very good to have you. thanks for coming. >> thanks for having me. >> neil: your argument, jim -- they're free to do this and you're okay with that. but you don't like the message that it is sending, right?
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>> you mean those who are not respecting the fact that we have a president-elect? >> neil: yes. >> and who has a personality of his own and thoughts of his own and is looking at how to help minorities and do some really great things. so i don't think people should name-call, name-calling is nasty. if you don't help the sitting president, then what are you going to do? go back home and complain about why you didn't elect someone else? so however you measure it, it's going to make yourself look bad. i am going to support president trump with every bone in my body. thank you so much. >> neil: you have taken a lot of heat for that position, jim. if you knew you were going to get the heat you've gotten, would you have done it? >> absolutely. i've taken heat all my life.
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>> neil: so you're ready for that. the reason why i ask you, john lewis, a civil rights icon in his own right, had said that donald trump was an illegitimate president, which is what trump got to treat back at him and built to the point that we're at. what do you tell people that say stuff like that? he's an illegitimate president? >> it speaks for himself. if he's illegitimate, i guess they would peach him. that process would take place. i respect john lewis. i know a lot about his background, when he was a young man marching working in civil rights. i respect that and always will. but he sounds very bitter and very sad because when they asked him why is he an illegitimate president, he said the russians, the russians. nobody has brought any proof forward that the russians have done anything.
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there's all these rumors about the russians. you think they're magicians because they can affect the great process that we have and electing our officers. so you know, it's sadness and it's eye baby, it's whining and it's not correct because donald trump fooled everybody and became the president of the united states. >> neil: you know, andrew young agreed with the last point you made, the civil rights icon of his own mind. he told me earlier, jim, we lost the election, referring to democrats, the russians didn't take it. that still bothers a lot of african american leaders, political leaders, who claim you can't possibly be legitimate and it goes on and on and on. but i wonder where you're coming from. one of the things that donald
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trump said throughout the elections to african americans, what the hell do you have to lose? what did you make of what he was saying then and what he's saying now? >> what he's saying is that those officers that were in office that should have been making a difference for african americans did not make a difference in our life. we have been fooled because people pat us on the back. then when they deal with real programs and real economics and economic development, those concepts, we're on the outside. so what president trump is saying, that he will -- he's a business man. he understands business. he's got to get the african american community involved in creating businesses as all other ethnic groups have done. >> neil: okay. let him do it. let him try. if he fails, he fails. jim brown, thanks. great seeing you. >> thanks for having me. >> neil: all right. more coming up.
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and you're talking to youro doctor about your medication... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira helping me go further. humira works for many adults. it targets and helps to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. humira has been clinically studied for over 18 years. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. ready for a new chapter? talk to your rheumatologist. this is humira at work.
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>> neil: i would love to sit and chat, my fellow americans, but i've got to leave for washington. i owe it to you to keep this country straight and deliver the skinny on the biggest event ever. >> hi, i'm greg gutfeld with "the five" ." as our current president lets bombers, traders, crack dealers out of jail, it is president-elect trump we should fear. right, carol? >> a lot of people in the country are scared. they are anxiety ridden. they want to hear something from him that says it's going to be okay. instead we are hearing from the competitive -- combative donald trump. >> the feeling is that the president-elect is feeling this

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