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tv   Interview - Human lives are the most important thing for me  Deutsche Welle  August 19, 2018 12:15pm-12:31pm CEST

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and india is showing no signs of easing rest areas in the southern states have kyra are stepping up efforts to bring food and water two hundred people stranded by the high waters more than three hundred fifty people have already died and authorities fear that the death toll could rise. but that for me for now you are watching news coming to you and more again at the top of the hour and don't forget you can get all that aid season information around the clock on our website f t w dot com to. play. he takes a personal leave us. with a little wonderful people in stories that make the game so special. for all true for. golf more than football longline. germany state by state.
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the long list. of the most traditional. any time. check in with a web special. take a tour of germany state by state on d w dot com. stefan stefan schmidt is a german sea captain and the refugees commissioner for the state of sleighs because don i'm talking to him about death in the mediterranean sea rescue and migration fundable. does mr smith know you've experienced it all firsthand or you rescue chip africa with the german ship caught on a more in two thousand and four. or and in italy they arrested you as
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a human traffic are just that still hang you today it's hard to. i need the fact that motivates me to carry on fighting like against the injustices in the world. and. it's not as if i'm especially angry with the italian groups have been vikas they were actually all on my side we realized that in prison it was just italian government that has gotten worse and. the most of all. back then you wanted to help but you were charged with a serious and organized aiding and abetting of the illegal entry you were facing four years in prison when the trial lasted for five years how did you cope with that it can't have been easy to make a little money for life i know i can't say it was but it's made me what i am today it's good now i know exactly what i wants and i work with all the energy i have in the flood i'm a little bit older to find the injustice of this pack of lies that have been told. in the same company if i save people's lives it's everyone already saying. well
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done you know i'm not blaming you know the same lies are being spread about the captains of the ngos that you can pick up between today and he also. sees you say you were against and just all of the africans you rescued were deported because they gave false information regarding their country of origin. did you think that was justified or unfair. as of tomorrow and this is what will they want all the ports that i was led to stay we don't know why an exception was made as a scene for all but it doesn't matter what the captain rescues people to stress the sea he doesn't have to ask where they are from just whether they have brown or green face he just has to bring them to safety and that's all he is obliged to do it within fifty i understand and you have to look as justified as the italians saw this as illegal immigration. absolutely not that would be a different case and let me bring them to shore they first have to check where you
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really from do you have grounds for asylum where this was not checked which was a major mistake and breaks every law on the booking us because it's. now many years later the refugee crisis in the mediterranean has taken on an even larger dimension of this according to the un eight hundred people have already drowned this year and that many in the meantime it looks like private sea rescue operations are the bane of many mediterranean countries. is that an accurate observation. with you i'm afraid it is although i don't really have the policies change so while it's because we have to count all we can to support spain on that we can't just say ok the problem to solve spain was sort of that it's opening with. the german chancellor is just spoken to the spanish prime minister and we're one of the world's richest countries and we should be turning a blind eye considering ourselves safe because we're surrounded by safe third countries. involved in the hunt for. the human but the nuns and the first thing the
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german chancellor wanted to do with other heads of government is the problem of the traffickers who are sending people over there now is this the right approach isn't acting and that's not at all. let's imagine there was no trafficking being then you know for a while this was the message of. will three hundred more refugees around will to try to stop the printing so what happens next then flip of x. and i'm being a bit too. bucket of here because people would starve the beaches of north africa instead of it because i can't get out to see. no one would help them you know they would starve there about on a north african beach phone i don't know what's worse starving or drowning or not seeing the big picture if you come to fuss about it could be but there's another market and something will say that all the private rescue ships near the coasts are part of the traffic and business model. tied austrian chancellor court sees it that way when this comes for courts rule. he says nobody drowned off the coast of
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australia because the refugees know that they will get sent back how do you respond to that. but i would say mr kurtz needs to think a little bit harder. we ought to study the world before he comes out with some dumb statements like that the album of two major universities although the oxford spent years the best they could whether there is a little effect on the yacht a lot of the old rescuers had rights and if motivated by them so to speak their own studies show that this pull a fact is not exists and we agree let's get more to do so we have these studies there are also fact based observation kind of work since the balkan route was closed no more refugees travelled this way isn't that a valid argument. of course we got very annoyed when the miss you said the refugee problem is have been solved because they put a fence because it's water but we saw pictures of people on the other side of a fence trying to wash in ice cold water and nobody was helping them to the. border
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line you're a human rights with no borders when we drove there enough struggling to get food suitable because no one else felt responsible kind of anything this is an acceptable come on let's look at getting back to sea rescue there is another angle what does the international maritime law say about emergency rescue it says that a captain is a bludgeon to help anyone who is in distress at sea and bring him or her to safety that's all there is to it is this need for the west including the traffickers exploit this long by using unseaworthy ships with no fuel onboard to trigger a rescue knowing the rescuers are obliged to help with. the design call would see you feel used by them as a rescuer who disease time gets back on his power. this country on the maybe that's the case but my primary concern is human life but the laws are being exploited as a secondary importance and human life is what matters not borders that's the key issue for me all the ngos who are helping in the mediterranean might move if the button here does you are a strong advocate of this position and its mission you work on
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a voluntary basis and you turn down a paid position you are or aren't. you say that no one feels without good reason. does that mean in your view we should take in every refugee mr manhood flipping off . every refugee is life has to be saved whatever happens whether they can stay permanently is another matter. we need to amend the asylum laws and see who has a genuine to have fled their country of. views but let's not bother to rescue them if i don't want them all here by did we. get sort of efforts are currently being made to create an asylum law and immigration law so. are you optimistic that this will improve matters. as a woman a third if you combine this with the counter our state premier recently said that reason should be created to allow people to stay and if we need them we should cut
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out the red tape i think it's a great idea. that's when they. would seem to think that if you draw the line between those who are allowed to stay and those who have to leave. this is a thorny issue people have come here from countries where officially there is no persecution but living conditions are very. good just wanting a better life give you the right to choose where you live. just wanted to. i think so. many times interior minister said my children were in this position i would receive playing somewhere where they have a future in my view each individual. considered on the for me economic refugees don't exist. the z. just like you nine years ago a german captain is now on trial in malta klaus paid to save two hundred thirty lives with his german rescue ship lifeline. apparently it entered without proper
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registration. in general can rescuers ignore the rules. missed. a big nice here but i'd say if it's a question of human life maybe violative. invasion which case. now we have to take the strays i think thompson has been charged and. they had a formal entry of that torch register and they were registered with. the dutch dispute this with me in that i spoke to them on the phone myself here in berlin. they disputed that we have the official papers and i have to say that you're backpedaling saying that you know the rescue ship has nothing to do with it had been furious with them that's it but nothing solved given that. you also broke a law back then which made the whole cop on a more rescue mission very controversial in germany because you entered the syrian
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port without permission do you regret that today but once it does what you will help me not at all. into the ports i know there was a very risky situation on board that people were all very agitated and exhausted. lot of and they could have said we'll take over the ship and there were thirty seven young men on board but it wouldn't have been too hard on the light we just head for the beach. it was an imminent threats but as a canvas and you have to think ahead and we didn't just look into the poor thing and we approached me i threw down the anchor and then everything took off it's official our survival from the portal to arrive then the pilots. me in the god. i register my arrival at an italian forces a german ship and first the authorities said yes it's time for seven days they wouldn't tell us when they had decided not to let his in his room toggle it's all politics just politics. let's put it like this pretty. you say that rescuers
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can ignore. the german interior minister disagree if you want in a letter and he replied what was that about who can i ask the answer the first letter politicians do the very vaguely but what did you want from him. i want to clarify things and support the n.g.o.s in the mediterranean the criminal minds of the then one of us who are going to secretaries i think it was mr vineberg i answered your fault there's no point telling me what he said as it was totally meaningless that's why the police didn't get picked up in a second but i sense that we said this letter will be made public that's why when the for the he didn't reply to that one that you're still waiting for a reply yes we are would like to speak to him personally that could perhaps we can talk again when you get an answer. because we've reached the end of our interview mr schmidt and as always i'd like to ask you to quickly three sentences against
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italy's judiciary called meet the human traffickers dampen but i see myself in. his helper. if i were in this situation again i will fall back again immediately. but. many people don't stop dying in the mediterranean the first thing germany should do is the police support the rescuers. as mr smith many thanks for the interview you're welcome. you're on max this week's highlights. dancing in the wind. indoor sky diving is the new trend. living without walls or roofs very special kind of hotel experience. eating in heaven or maybe
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