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everyone. thank you for coming together for what i consider to be a solemn occasion, a patriotic occasion, and a prayerful one for our country. today, we have the privilege of hearing from some of the most outstanding historians of all time in our country, more will be said about them later. but the distinguished democratic leader of the senate and i are honored to be with each and every one of you. we will have the presentation from our historians, we will hear that testimonials of our members, and a leader has his testimonial on the floor of the senate since they are in session. we are honored and that he came over to the house to be with us. he served in the house for 18 years, only recently has he
exceeded that amount of time in the senate. but we still lay claim to him and take pride. before i bring him on, i want to reflect, as we all do today, on the deadly assault that was waged on the capitol and the congress and the constitution one year ago today. the insurrection was an assault not only on the building, but on the democracy itself, wish that day was on the brink of catastrophe. liz cheney told me something about george bush. she said, on the day of 9/11, when 9/11 first occurred, he was in the white house and he said, these terrorists may shake the foundations of our buildings, but they will not shake the foundations of our democracy. he said then -- what he said then apply then and it applies now. because of the courage of our members, the support of the
capitol police, the staff, the custodial staff, the insurrection failed. democracy prevailed. congress returned to the capital that same night to accomplish our purpose, to ensure the peaceful transfer of power. one year later, it is essential that we do not allow anyone to rewrite history. it is our duty to find the facts of january 6 to ensure such an assault on our democracy cannot happen again. it is also our duty to establish and preserve the narrative of that day, and that is what we are doing today. one year later, i remain in awe of the courage of our members not only that day, but every day since, as you share reflections and preserve the truth. let me close, as i have done throughout the day, by quoting
president lincoln. he said so many things that were so appropriate and quoted by our chaplain earlier today at the pro forma session when he quoted lincoln's greatest speech, the second inaugural address, with charity toward all, you know the rest. but imagine the magna buddy of it all that the president would say that after the civil war. he said he, fellow citizens, we cannot escape history, we will be remembered in spite of ourselves, no personal significance or insignificance can spare one or another of us. we hold the power and bear the responsibility. we have a responsibility as daunting and demanding as any previous generations of leadership. we hold the power and bear the responsibility to save our democracy. that regard, it is my honor to
yield to the leader of the senate, and speaking on behalf of our colleagues in the house, we welcome you back to the house side. i want to thank the leader because he was so instrumental the night of the assault and ensuring that we would return to the capitol and the world would see that the insurrection was defeated and victory had prevailed. mr. leader, chuck schumer. [applause] sen. schumer: thank you, everybody, and it is good to be back in the cannon caucus room. i hardly recognized it, but like everything else, in the house, under the speaker's leadership, much improved. i want to thank her for bringing us together for this event, and our wonderful guest speakers in today's moderated discussion. we all know today is an
important but sad day for all of us at the capitol. indeed, for our entire country. a year ago, a mob of radicals carried out for the first time in over 200 years an armed attack on the u.s. capitol in an effort to undermine our constitutional order. history is clear. when democracies are in danger, it often starts with a mob. that is why it is wonderful that we are having our historians here today. we all know the mob can start off as a small number. not everyone has to join in. it just needs a critical mass of people who stay out of the way, who ignore it, or even condone those actions. if it is allowed to grow, and leaders, irresponsible leaders, encourage it, it can become poison to our democracy.
then the and thinkable becomes real. democracy erodes and could, god forbid, vanish. but thankfully, that did not happen when you're ago. today, we pay tribute to all those who stared into the of s to protect this building -- the abyss to protect this building, capitol police, d.c. metro police, our national guard. he also thank the unsung heroes who came into this building hours after the attack to heal, repair, and make whole what the rioters tried to tear down, our maintenance staff, technicians, all those who came in late at night without complaint and brought the capitol back to life. above all, as we remember this day, we must also speak the truth about what happened at
your recto, about the root causes of january 6, its legacy, and what it portends to the future of our democracy. that is why conversations like the one today matter. it is an honor to join the speaker. the historians' works are some of the most authoritative accounts of american history in the public mind and i want to think today's moderator, carla hayden. the president of the library of congress, who throughout her career has been one of the top library directors in the country. it is an honor. finally, i want to thank my colleagues from the house and senate for sharing their stories. these stories are painful, but they radiate with the light of truth and we must continue to shine that light upon them, so thank you for making that happen. let's remember one more thing today. that powerful as the mob they
seem at times, the counter is stronger. the wellspring of democracy runs deep. the strength of the american people is unshaken. and they have always stepped up in the end. democratic, republican, independent, to preserve what has been handed down by the framers. i know we can do it again and i want to thank you, each of us, in our small ways for making that happen. thank you. [applause] rep. pelosi: thank you, mr. leader, for your very profound words and for your speech on the floor of the senate today as well, sharing your experiences of that day. that is so important and that is why we are excited to hear the
testimonials of our members father waiting -- following this conversation. we are privileged to have a contribution from one of the great creative talents of our time, lin-manuel miranda. they his beautiful words be an inspiration to us. among the words he said, we will make it right for you. if we lay a strong enough foundation, we will pass it on to you. and we will give the world to you. lin-manuel and his father in the hamilton singers who you will hear from said they were all very honored to be asked to participate today. i call your attention -- >> energy to face the task head of us and a renewed promise to strengthen the democracy. we are stewards of the american experiment, working to pass down
to our children and grandchildren a more perfect union to treat all its citizens with fairness and equity. should never take our rights and liberties for granted and let's remain committed to finding a way forward together. that is what i what about in hamilton. i believe no challenge is with abandoning our efforts to the americans. we will keep working generation after generation until we reach that someday. ♪ ♪ you had your mother's name when he came to the world you cried, it book my heart -- broke my heart i'm dedicating every data you -- stay to you
♪ >> ♪ you outshine the morning sun my son when you smile, i fall apart and i thought i was so smart my father wasn't around i swear that i will be around for you i'll do whatever it takes we'll make it right for you if we lay a strong enough foundation we'll pass it on to you we'll leave the world for you
someday, someday you will blow us all away someday, someday ♪ ♪ ♪ [applause] rep. pelosi: somehow, the arts have a way of seeing things in a way that connects that we cannot do any other way and that is why i thought it was important for us to have the arts and meet us in this discussion, and further discussion, some of the most outstanding artists, writers of our time. it is essential that we preserve the narrative of january 6.
two due to -- to do so, we have the guidance of leading historians in our nation. our moderator, carla hayden. has helped preserve the treasurers of america's history. we are very proud of you, madam librarian. [applause] rep. pelosi: she will have the privilege of truly introducing our guests, but i do want to thank doris kearns goodwin, a national treasure, who chronicled some of the most pivotal periods and personalities in american history. we are waiting for team of rivals to be made into a musical. doris kearns goodwin, thank you for being with us. and jon meacham, whose writing has informed and inspired millions and we are grateful to him for the beautiful book he wrote about our colleague john lewis.
thank you for being with us. thank you for informally advising our president of the united states, joe biden. their wisdom will serve our congress and the country because , as lincoln told us and as we all know, stories connect, and they will tell the narrative of america and the place that january 6 fits into that and we bill burck to preserve the full, true history of that day. i am pleased to invite our guests to the podium and further yield to the distinguished librarian of congress, dr. carla hayden. steny take pride in carla hayden because she is a leader in the maryland community of thought and i, again, was so thrilled when she was named by president
obama to be the librarian of congress. she was a leader in the library community ahead of the whole thing, springing from baltimore, and now the head of the library of congress. carla hayden. [applause] carla: thank you, madam speaker, and all the members of congress who are here in person and with us online, and as a librarian, a career librarian, who has spent a life working with bringing narratives to people, it is an honor for me [inaudible] >> i think we should all clap for that one.
carla: this is a librarian stream and everyone's dream. -- librarian's dream and everyone's dream. you have both written and studied about the narrative of this country and some of the darkest times, some of the times that were triumphant. as madame speaker quoted from the song from hamilton, if we lay a strong enough foundation, we will pass it on to you. can you travel back in time to the founding of this country? where they sure? did they know? jon: being described as a distinguished historian is like you want to win but it is not
that hard. we are very grateful. thank you, madame speaker and senator schumer. i think they would be surprised that we have come this far. they were incredibly aware of the fragility of democracy. they were aware of the fallibility of humankind, they had a keen awareness of imperfection and appetite and ambition. they knew that the struggle in everyone's soul, which would find full expression in a popular government, what -- was between generosity and greed and between kindness and cruelty. and the goal of the constitution was, yes, there were checks and balances in a literal sense, but it was also about curbing our worst instincts, to give our better angels a chance to take flight.
doris is a better person than i am and we will not even get into policy because she is so much better, but if i get things right 51% of the time, that is a good day. why would a popular government be any different? because a democracy is the manifestation of all of us. so our habits of heart and mind matter enormously. what you saw a year ago today was the worst instincts of both human nature and american politics, which was the will to power over the idea of a quality and the rule of law taking precedence. and without a recognition that this experiment is worth defending, this experiment is, in fact -- jefferson called at the world's best hope, president
lincoln called at the last best hope, president reagan called at the last best hope of man on earth. without a defense of that idea and what that idea is is that we are all created equal, we are entitled to equal protection of the law, equal dignity, innate dignity, and without defending that idea, then we slip into a state of chaos. what doris and i are lucky enough to do is find examples where those better angels have prevailed, and it is always a close run thing. there is never a landslide for the good guys. there's just not. remember the days of old, remember many generations, they will tell the elders. the gospel of st. john said, you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. what does truth mean? in greek?
it means unconcealed. there is a fact, there is a truth, and when the scales fall from our eyes, there is a reality. the reality of american life is that we have to defend this experiment. carla: doris, you have written about the moment george washington had an opportunity to become a different figure than we know him. doris: it is interesting when you think about george washington and what might have happened to this country. all he had to do after the revolution was take power, which many people wanted him to do. there was a mutiny before when the soldiers were not being paid . they said to him, you have to take over. it would have been so easy for him to have a coup, but he
didn't and that is when george the third in hamilton said, if you really went back to mount vernon and resigned as commissioner ship, you will be the greatest man in the world, and that is what he was. then he becomes president and he clearly could have had three terms, four terms, five terms, but he voluntarily decided it was important for the peaceful transition of power. then what does he do when he leaves? he leaves without farewell address which gives us such what is today, which day read in the senate every year, the baneful effects of party strife which was just beginning to show its head and he understood if that happened and people in different parts of the country began to see each other not through their mutual affections but through almost a must for power and desire to abuse it at times, then the whole experiment would fall apart. i sometimes think about how you say how we did not know what we were doing then. when i was first giving a lecture at harvard on the presidency and i found wonderful
quotes about what we might call the president, at one point it might have been his mightyness or his excellency, the protector of liberty, then jefferson is the one who said, it should be mr. president. adams was apoplectic. there are presidents of garden clubs, there are president of rotary clubs, there will be no dignity without thrones. then mr. president it became. we look back on these things and we know it worked out. i keep thinking as a historian that the interesting thing is we know what the people living at the time did not know. we know the revolution was won, we know george washington became a president, not a military, we know civil war ended with the union restored, we know the allies won world war ii, but the people living through that time did not know that. they are living with the same exide he we are living through today. -- same anxiety we are living
through today. how will this resolve itself? the hope that that brings is that we have come through these tough times before and the hope is also that we are going to get to write the chapter of our story just like our ancestors wrote the chapters of those stories and they did pretty well. they failed at times, but as you say, even though there are bad angels, we got extraordinarily good angels, even on january 6. look at those first responders, look at the capitol police, look at the women's movement, the gay-rights movement, civil rights movement, people in the civil war. we have had people willing to step up and put their public lives against their private lives and that is what we have to depend on today. that is what we need. carla: both of you have found some very chilling parallels between the 1850's, leading up to the civil war, at our situation.
can we go back to that tumultuous decade and share what transpired and what is going on? jon: the 1850's did not end well. it is a chilling parallel. you had two competing visions of reality, you had two interpretations of scripture, both religious and secular scripture, the declaration of independence. you had violence on the floor of the house. what you did not have was an insurrection, like the one you are commemorating today. on february 14, 1861, when john breckenridge, who lost the presidency, along with stephen douglas, abraham lincoln was under pressure to decertify the electoral votes, he refused to do so and winfield scott had
fortified and, in fact, this experiment in liberty went on exactly two more months before fort sumter. there was a plot to try to decertify the electoral count. as mark twain once said, history may not repeat itself but it does rhyme. the issue i think about 1850's, heading into that, is that he did not have a common story. there was not a sense that we were all devoted to what became the most important sentence ever originally rendered in english, which is all men are created equal within a label rights, among them life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. an amazing sentence that has changed more lives around the world than any other single sentence. it was written not in a vacuum, but as part of this remarkable
experiment that we were part of and are part of. it is a reorientation of reality, when you think about it, from popes and princes and kings who are given authority over all of us. it was a vertical university would what happened? -- universe. what happened? gutenberg comes up. it is like dork porn right now. gutenberg, the protestant reformation's, the spread of literacy commodified for the -- spread of literacy. the entire world reorganized this way to this way where we were given the power to determine our own destinies and the american, for all of its faults, was the fullest political manifestation of that shift in reality. that is the idea.
that is why soldiers were hitting omaha beach. that is what drove the women of seneca falls. that is what drove john the west and jose williams in so many other people -- john lewis and jose williams in so many other people across the bridge. there was an idea worth defending. if enough of us do not assent to that idea, then madness comes. in the tas -- and the tsk -- task of any citizenry, of any congress, is to remind people that in diversity, there is strength. it is always a close run thing, it is not going to be easy. but it has worked before and it should be able to work now. doris: i think the chilling thing is when i think about the
attack on the antislavery senator by the south carolinian congressman, it happened in the senate, and because of that, it touched the hearts and minds of the american people in a way lots of other antislavery people have been attacked before but somehow, it hit home and there was a sense in which, for a while, more people joined the republican party abraham lincoln joined it after that, the moderates and conservatives realized they had to leave the party structure behind, and i thought that was going to happen, that a line had been drawn after january 6 the same way because sometimes these events just touch you and there is a sense on the part of the people that something had to change and begot abraham lincoln out of that. the scary part of the 1850's is pasta brooks -- preston brooks became a hero in the south, the governor presented him with a silver goblet, people running
around with canes wanting to get other members of the antislavery movement. it was part of that partisanship where you had alternative realities. one historian said, when he saw that event and he saw two alternative narratives, that is when you knew something was happening to the country. there was a sense that there was a partisan crack in the 1850's. when lincoln would be in his debates with stephen douglas and the republican paper would be reporting on the same debate at the democratic party would be reporting on, when they reported on the linkin park, they said, he was so triumphant, he was carried out on the arms of his supporters. when you read the democratic papers, it was so embarrassing, he had to be dragged out by his supporters. you're right, it ended badly. obviously it ended badly, with the civil war. but out of that what came but had to be done, which is undo
that original sin of slavery and those people fought for that. we had a leader in abraham lincoln who carried us through that. when we look at what happened, that is what you have to remember. some of these fights have to be fought but hopefully he does not have to end up that way. that we will know the mistakes we made in the 1850's. kansas nebraska, dred scott decision, it pulled us further apart so there was no talking to one another on either side. we cannot let that happen today. jon: we have to incentivize this. we cannot just preach at people. you have to find a way to make it in their interest to do the right thing. i wish that were different but it is not, it is not been since eden. how do you do that? i would argue that one idea is history itself. what do you want the world to say of you? do you want to be both connor or
do you want to be john robert lewis? do you want to be jefferson davis or do you want to be abraham lincoln? use the power of memory as an incentive, not as a glutton -- not as a bludgeon, but remind people that when we are at our best, we do not build statues to people who tear down, we build statues to people who create. i sometimes use what i call the portrait test, when i'm lucky enough to talk to people who hold office. what do you want us to think about when we look at your portrait? it tends to work because people tend to be looking at your portrait. [applause] -- [laughter] carla: you have written about
teddy roosevelt. he was thrust into office after president mckinley. we don't often focus on that but there were some similarities there. doris: in many ways, the turn of the 20th century has more echoes than today than any other time. the industrial revolution had shaken up the economy, much like globalization and the tech revolution today. the first time he had a gap between the rich and the poor. you had people feeling suspicious of people in the city. you had a lot of immigrants coming in from abroad and anti-immigrant philosophy that was developing. you had a bunch of new inventions, the telephone and the telegraph, that makes some people feel like life is moving too fast, we have to go back to an earlier way of life. teddy roosevelt warned at that time that the real problem for democracy, the threat would be if people began regarding each other as the other rather than
as common american citizens, people in different sections had hatred for one another. he saw what we are feeling today. what did he do about it? he argued there should be a fair mental -- a fundamental fairness, a square deal for the rich and the poor. i have been talking too much. the capitalist and the wage worker. then he went around the country in a train, six weeks every spring. i know i have a low voice but now it has gotten really low. six weeks in the spring, six weeks in the fall. he gave the same message across the country. as the train would go away, he would stand there waving for hours at people who had just come to see him on the railroad track.
he was getting a rather cold reception until he was told that because of his nearsightedness, he was waving at a herd of cows, no wonder he did not get a response. i think there is something we can learn from that. somehow, re-creating those feelings -- but his fellow feeling we have for our fellow american citizens? it is an understanding, it is the human quality we need to listen to other people, to empathize with people for whom fate may have dealt in unkind hand, and to be able to, in a certain sense, understand their point of view. that is what we need our leaders to do to get out of washington, to get back not only to their own districts, go to other places. i dream about a national service program where kids from the country could go to kits from the city and spend a year in a common mission that they would be able to fulfill so they are learning what it is like to live with other people. if there is any way that could
happen -- i know we have pieces of it in the peace corps. there is something about bringing people from different parts of the country together with a common mission. the military does it. i remember reading that 75% of the military, of commerce men and senators in the 1950's and 1960's, where members of the military. they knew what it was like to have a common mission so they knew what it was like to have a national mission. little wonder we had bipartisanship in those days. we have to figure out how to listen, empathize. that is what teddy roosevelt was able to do. jon: i should also report, twitter has todd -- has had a lot of impact. it is the author of one of the listings set in our times which is if mr. waters and doris goodwin had a one night stand, i would have resulted. i want to insist on that. [laughter] i left my sweater outside.
the speaker talks a lot about narrative. and reality. there is a human tendency to want the past two have been simpler. that is understandable because our own reality is difficult because it is our reality. the problems of our time. but there was never a once upon a time and there is not going to be a happily ever after. this is an unfolding job. i don't need to tell you this, you signed up for it, you put yourself in the arena. you are here to do this, to govern in an imperfect world. and you know that. this country as we know it right now is about 56 years old. bear with me.
the first actually integrated national election in american history was 1968. 52 years ago. the nationality act signed by president johnson in the civil rights act of 1954 and voting rights act of 1955 transformed the country. we are a pretty young nation when you think about the actual electorate. when you go back and realize that in 1968, it began with -- which brought dean mccarthy into the race, fourth lyndon johnson out of the race, gave a speech saying he would not be a candidate on the last sunday in march, 1968. that same morning, martin luther king preached at the washington national cathedral, saying the ark of the moral universe is
long but bends towards genesis -- towards justice. four days later, he would be shot. the country arabs and riots. six weeks -- erupts in riots. six weeks after that, robert kennedy is killed. on election day 1968, richard nixon wins narrowly over hubert humphrey, but george corley wallace of alabama carried 13.5% of the popular vote in five states on an explicitly segregationist platform 50 years ago. so let's tap the brakes on nostalgia. 100 years ago, the woman second in line to the presidency of the united states could not vote until the 19th amendment. the ku klux klan was refounded
saturday after thanksgiving in 1915 at stone mountain, georgia as anti-immigrant, anti-semitic, anti-black, anti-catholic institution. there were 30 members of the house who were members of the klan, about 10 senators. the governors of five states were members of the klan. georgia and texas. also indiana, colorado, and oregon. 100 years ago. the governor of georgia said we need to build a wall of steel as high as heaven to keep immigrants out. in the 1924 democratic national convention, it went to 103 ballots because there were klan delegates you would not vote for smith to be the nominee because he was irish catholic.
doris: you look at a decade like the 1960's and you know how it ended and you feel sad about that decade, extraordinary things happened. in the middle of that decade, you take on the johnson comes into power, a man that i knew very well and for whom i feel still an enormous respect and i think historians will accord him that respect he deserves despite the war in vietnam. he comes into the presidency in the middle of that decade after john kennedy is killed and he makes civil rights his first priority. his advisor said, you cannot do that. you only have a certain amount of currency as president, he cannot spend it on this. he said, than what the hell is the presidency for? he somehow, with the civil rights movement haven't given
him the strength to do it, he get the civil rights bill through the congress. that she just a face of america. segregation is ended lately in the south. they think they have to have another year before they can get voting rights because they have to absorb the civil rights thing. then the selma demonstrations take place. this is how change takes place. when an outside movement to create the social conscience and changes public sentiment, then the inside channels of power have to mobilize. that speech that he gave to the joint session of congress, i was listening to that speech when i was a harvard student and there was lyndon johnson. i was in the antiwar movement, later i would think i could have never been for, and eventually ended up working for him. there wasn't an johnson talking about the fact -- he said, i speak about the destiny of democracy. at times, history and fate meet, so it was in lexington and
concord. so it was last week in selma, alabama. he understood that what john the west and the four soldiers had done on that bridge -- john lewis and the foot soldiers had done on that bridge, that the consciousness of the country had been changed and it was time to move to that. he went on to say, this is not a negro movement, not a white movement, is not a moral challenge. it is simply wrong to deny your fellow americans the right to vote. he went on saying, even if we do that, there is a long way to go but if we work together, we shall overcome. the outside movement meets the inside power. at the same time, you get medicare, medicaid, education. in that decade, we look at it and think, it ended the way you said, but in the middle, all that happened. on a personal note, if i ever
imagined this as i was listening to that speech of my friends, we were in tears by the end of that speech and i end up three years later working for lyndon johnson , or more importantly, 10 years later, i would meet a man richard goodwin who crafted those words and he would become my husband of 42 years before he died a couple years ago. that moment means so much to our country, it was the crowning moment of lyndon johnson's life. even though you are right in understanding that these things have been difficult, we have to remember those moments in time when things worked. that is our responsibility as historians, to tell us where things were tough but always tell us how people stood up and we can do it again. you have to believe we can. we cannot allow ourselves do not feel that sense of agency that we still have to make these things different. jon: absolutely. and the way the 1920's ended
with terrible economic depression, but franklin roosevelt. doris: fdr comes along. jon: who said the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. there is hope in history. there is also fear and that is what life is. we have to remind ourselves, the story we have to tell ourselves is that we can overcome. doris: exactly right. and fdr, when he came in, it was pretty shaky then. doris: just take about fdr and what he faced when he came in. it was possibly thought in february before march that the house of cards might collapse before he had even taken the inaugural oath. somebody said, if your new program works, you will be the greatest president in history. if it is not work, you will be the worst president in history. he said, no, if it does not
work, i will be the last president in history. somehow, he gets to inaugural and it is not just nothing to fear but fear itself. he tells the people, this is not your fault, it has been a failure of leadership and i am here to provide that leadership. i will treat us as if we are at where against a common enemy. this is what i was happened with covid, that it was a common enemy. he said, i will do whatever is necessary to bring jobs to the american people. and that contagion of confidence that he had was so great that all of a sudden, there's headlines, we have a leader. the government still lives. my favorite story is there were hundreds of thousands of letters written to franklin roosevelt after that and my favorite came from a man who said, i lost my job, my wife is mad at me, our roof fell off, my dog ran away, but everything is all right because you are there.
it is the mr. young leadership, that somehow -- not mystery of leadership, that when people are ready for common action, they provide that common thing. then the banking crisis gets solved. you had people who were hungry with no safety net. you had one out of four people out of work. you had millions having lost their homes. yet he started the new deal going and eventually, things began to develop. that it becomes the greatest generation for world war ii. it is one of those moments that could have gone a very different direction. we were lucky to have people strong enough and resilient enough in a leader who was able to lead us. we can do it again. carla: so this day, and at this point in time, and as historians , you spent your lives basically putting the narrative together,
moving it along, what do you think about where we are now? doris: you go first. jon: we don't know. this is a chapter, not the end of the story. and if it is the end of the story, then we have failed in a way as a people that the world will forever condemn. as the song says, to lose this gift through selfishness and greed for power, for an autocratic impulse would be beyond tragic.
i don't believe that is going to happen, but i believe we are as close to that as we have been since sumter. if we have something like -- i don't know what the number is -- almost half the country, let's be honest, almost half the country disagrees with a -- with every bit of what we said the past few minutes. they think this is a partisan undertaking. i'm not a democrat. i'm not a republican. i'm george bush's biographer and i try to help joe biden figure it out. but i believe and is the country and i believe in this experiment and i believe it is the best chance we have to give everyone a fair chance for our industry, intelligence, and enterprise. january 6, it is not a week of
call, that is not the right way to put it. it is, as the president says, an inflection point, and is either a step on the way to the abyss, or it is a call to arms, figured only -- figuratively, for citizens to engage and say, no, we are more important, the work we are about is more important than the will and the women of a -- the whim of a single man or single party or single interest. doris: i think that is what the select kenny -- select committee is important about right now. we have to retell the story of january 6 with other gaps filled in. i have a fundamental belief that if that story is told in its
fullest, as i think it will be as we get more information, as we get more testimony at the public hearings beginning to be held, we can retell it in the way of what really happened and i do believe that a line will be drawn. maybe it is 50-50 now, maybe it will be 55/45. if more people can be persuaded that this cannot happen again and what happened not only to prevent it from happening again but deal with what is going on in the country that made this possible to happen, we have to somehow believe in the fundamental fairness of the country. look at where we stood in 1940. this is what gives me hope. when you think about what hitler was doing in the space of a weekend a couple more weeks, france falls as well, america stood 18th in military power at the time, 17 when holland
surrendered, yet there was isolationism in the country, there was a wary, would we be able to stand up to what fascism represented? we were too soft. yet once that challenge was there, we met it. i think about what happened, democrats came together with republicans on business, came together with the government in the way they had been fighting during the end of the new deal. we were able to produce a plane every four minutes, i think every seven minutes, a ship every day. we can do that again. there just has to be that sense of what you are saying, a belief of where we are going. in my lifetime, this is the hardest moment for democracy. it may not be as bad as it was in 1933, in 1851, or a 1940, but it is the hardest thing in my long lifetime. we have to recognize how deep that challenges cannot sugarcoat it. that is what lincoln would say.
on the other hand, knowing that we have another chance now to retell the story of january 6 and not just what happened, but what we need to have happen from now on. i think it is giving us a chance again that we had last year, we did not take advantage of it because the alternative narrative scott developed, but i think it can come back again. it is the truth, as you are saying. jon: thank you to all of you because you are standing in the reach of democracy's hour of maximum danger. democracy isn't readily counterintuitive. if this were easy, the whole world would be duet -- would be doing it. this isn't readily difficult. and yet, no more important words in american history than and yet . [laughter] doris: i think it is hope in the young people. think about how many people
voted this last election, how many more women have gotten into politics then ever before, and maybe that is what u.s. politicians who are here, leading in the vocation of politics, spreading that word among young people, we have to get young people to trust in government again. we have got to get people at local, state and national level to feel as if they can actively influence what is happening. you guys are doing it already. if we can just make people feel again -- they care about the environment on a deep level. they have been active at a deep level. we have to look to that younger generation to carry forth that belief. i still think it is the greatest vocation. it is a great honor. you should be proud of it. we have to spread that word among people and get more
involved in politics. it is up to us to tell them. you know what is like to feel this way, and i think we should honor that. >> the future is unknowable, but the past should give us hope. it is the present that we have to get through. >> he was going to write history. but if i could just add one more thing, when you are talking before about what people should be thinking about, the ambition for self becomes an ambition for something larger. i'm not sure when that happens in a person. sometimes it happens young. >> usually when the portrait is hung. >> that is too late.
but he was talking about the fact that he had a peculiar ambition to somehow be able to perform something that would be remembered by other people, that he could be valued for, making a difference in people's lives. lyndon johnson, when he had an almost fatal heart attack, he was on his bed and was not sure if he was going to live. all of a sudden one day he woke up and said, i have to get shaved. i am back. he said, if i die now, what would i be remembered for? he went for civil rights in the senate and as president. we have to hope that young people understand that it is not just ambition for yourself. it is ambition for something larger. we also -- he also worked with
the civil rights movement. a lot can happen with the movement and working together. >> history happens when the voices of the many attract the attention of the powerful few. >> that is exactly right. when lincoln was called a liberator, he said do not call me a liberator. all that change comes from the ground up. the civil rights movement is there before lyndon johnson. the women's movement, the environmental movement -- that arousal of citizen involvement can begin to push us to do something at a federal level. >> one of the key points -- you
all tend to be far more -- that is what a popular government is. not just a reflection of the will of the people, but your best judgment. that is a very interesting and fluid dynamic. that is why it is not just on you, but all of us, to keep playing the pronoun out, it is my it cannot just be about him. this is about our future and all of us have a responsibility to remember that a more perfect union is about we the people, not about a single person.
>> to everybody with us today, we are aware -- we were wearing pins and cufflinks. >> i was going to wear a pen, but doris would not let me. >> the inscription -- something in his custom-made topcoat. >> brooks brothers. >> he wore it a lot. he was wearing a when he was assassinated. and it said, one country.
you also had something to say about the cufflink. >> i am not rain the specific ones. george herbert walker bush. particularly since we are in the house side. a great example of everything that we are talking about here. the one who opposed the civil rights act when he was running for the senate in texas, but in 1968, he voted for fair housing. i think, an interesting way, it represents the best part of politics, which was that it mattered to him, what he did with power, once he had it. he was an imperfect man who loved a more perfect union -- left us a more perfect union.
we are an imperfect citizenry. our task has to be that more perfect union. >> one country, one destiny. we will end on a note of hope. it is the foundation holding? >> if you stand watch. >> it is because of you all. it is incredibly difficult. this is the battle, not the war. the chapter, not the story. god bless you. >> thank all of you. [applause]
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soon my colleagues will begin member testimonials. before we do, i want to address the last question about one country, one destiny. you have heard me say that this pins as one country, one destiny on it. doris has on that pin and it says carla. i gave john cufflinks. he has cufflinks from george herbert walker bush. one country, one destiny was embroidered on the coat of abraham lincoln the night he died. it was close to his heart. one country, one destiny. i think we have to follow his lead, and so many ways, including bringing our country together.
soon we will hear the second portion of the session with testimonials that are very valued by all of us. the voices of members are an essential piece of january 6. today, led by the congressman, we will hear reflections from our colleagues. thank you for organizing that. we thank all of our members for their courage, and sharing their experiences and sharing their truth of that day. before our members testimonial, let's close this conversation with this presentation. >> it is a momentous day in washington and all eyes are on the nation's capital. mr. trump: i think right here, we are going to walk down to the capital.
[shouting] >> we the people. >> the house will be in order. mr. trump: you are allowed to go by different rules. i hope mike has the courage to do what he has to do. >> madame speaker, members of congress, we are meeting in joint session to verify the certificates and count the votes of the electors. mr. trump: we fight. if you do not fight, you are not
>> without objection, they will go into recess. [indiscernible] >> we were just told that there has been teargas in the rotunda. we have been instructed -- each of us gets a gas mask. [shouting] >> some processors have made it inside the capitol building and our gathering where the senate was in session. [shouting]
>> the account of donald trump will be locked for 12 hours following the removal of between, the tweets that were deemed to insight violence. >> today was a dark day in the history of the united states capital. thanks to the swift efforts of u.s. capitol police, federal, state and local law enforcement, the violence was quelled. the capital is secured and the people's work continues. >> franklin was about set-aside the day as a day that would live
in infamy. unfortunately, we can now add january 6, 2021, to that very short list of dates in american history that will live forever in infamy. >> our purpose will be accomplished. we must and we will show to the country, and to the world, that we will not be diverted from our duty, and we will respect our responsibility to the constitution and the american people. >> the votes are as follows. joseph biden junior of the state of delaware has received 306 votes. donald j. trump has received 332 votes. 117th congress, the chair declares the joint session dissolved.
peter: we are still with you i want to hear your voices and get your reaction to january 6, 2020 one, the one-year anniversary, and what it means to our democracy. 202-748, 8920 if you live in the eastern time zones. 202-748-8921 if you live in central and mountain time zones and send a text at 202-748-8903, and you can continue to have this conversation about january 6 on our social media spy --
social media sites. @cspan is our handle. shane from alabama texted in, i love how these democrats keep letting trump. trump has never been proven guilty about starting the riot and i don't know why they keep saying trump started a riot. andrew and kansas city, missouri, what is your take on today, the anniversary, and were you watching last year when it happened? caller: thank you for taking my call. i have been following along all night. doris kearns goodwin is an all-time great and you did a good job tonight picking her. i thank you for that. the peaceful transition of power needs to be restored. a concession could have been made at an earlier time to guarantee that for our country. but if we can move into some thoughts about the future of our country and the first millennial president, it might be something
to begin considering. if we are thinking about foreign relations, russia after putin, germany post-merkel. i hope we can overcome this difficulty. thank you. peter: daniel is in harker heights, texas. daniel, you are on c-span and we want to think -- want to hear your thoughts about january 6 and the capitol attacks. caller: president trump should be prosecuted. the deaths of the people that died that day are on his hands. and do not let president trump to run again for office. if he owes money to a bunch of different countries, a person should not be able to run for president. peter: that is daniel in texas. rady is in new york. where in your are you that's where in new york -- where in
new york are you? * i am calling from -- caller: i am calling from oceanside, new york. this is an embarrassing day for americans. i am embarrassed to be an american at this time. and i need to convey what i am thinking, which is, leadership comes from the top. what leaders do needs to trickle down to the rest of the country. and that is why we look to our leaders, to what they do and how we amplify their behavior. when we see donald trump acting in this way, it freckles down to the rest of the united states, and to all these people look towards the president of the united states, saying this is what our ultimate leader is doing. and this is why this is such a sad thing. and i just wish mr. trump would
really reevaluate what he has done and stop trying to do this thing, whatever he is doing, and really be more of a leader. thank you for listening. peter: you probably heard former president trump had a press conference scheduled today at mar-a-lago. he did cancel. he will be speaking in arizona on january 15. allen in waycross, georgia, what are your thoughts about today? caller: it was a sad day today. things really got out of hand a year ago. what bothers me is, we are also upset about january 6 for the last two or three years. the left has been destroying our country, burning cities, killing people, doing all kinds of things. none of them have been brought to justice. all kinds of things went on during the election.
they did things, they lied about things. it has just been proven that the russian thing with trump had nothing to do with that mess. there is no evidence that trump called for this thing that happened january the sixth. people that i know that were there said the capitol police invited them into the building and now, they are going to be punished for doing that. and i just think people have turned on america. i don't know who is american anymore. it just depresses me to know that the greatest country in the world has been destroyed from within, and we are allowing the government to take away our rights and our freedoms. it is supposed to be the government of the people, by the people, for the people. but now, it is the government for the government against to
the people. and they are talking about biden hiring all these irs agents, and i guarantee you it is political and it will be against the conservative people. and what took away the right of the conservative man and woman to have their voice heard, and there about -- and their vote? and democrats that was an outside force that came in and killed a bunch of innocent people. what happened january 6 was some
people that were upset -- there is evidence all over this country of voter fraud. it happened right here in georgia. there is a tremendous amount of that stuff going on. they showed how they flip to the votes and things like that. do you not think the people are just tired of this crab? there needs to be a plumber sent to washington to put a flush on that -- on washington dc and flush all those crooked politicians on both sides of the aisle out of there. >> james, give us your thoughts on january 6. >> that was a very sad day for everybody. why would someone do this? why would a lot of people do this?
i am very upset at what happened that day. >> thank you for calling in. senator marco rubio tweeted out that the upscale liberals who control the media believe january 6 was another pearl harbor or 9/11 and the rest of america including many democrats think they are nuts. carol, good evening. medford, i am sorry. >> i want to say this is a sad day. i just believe in the rule of law. that day was not any rule of law at all. there is no chance that was an accident. it had to be planned. it is just very sad to watch my fellow americans want to attack
a voting right we have. it is all of our right to vote. it should never be attacked. it is very sad to me. >> in your view, is president trump culpable? >> i don't know. i just want everybody to come under the rule of law. that is what i want. >> thank you for calling in. we have one more event to show you. it was a prayer vigil the democrats on the steps of the house. this is their conclusion to their commemoration of the first anniversary of january 6. it is about eight minutes. afterwards we will be back to take your calls.
grace ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the honorable nancy pelosi, speaker for the united states has a represented of. charles issue,, the majority leader of the united states senate and members of the united states house of our present lives and the united states senate. ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the most -- michael b
carey, >> let us pray. curry: let us pray. internal god of whom the bible speaks and says that you are loved, you are the source of all that is good and just and true, and compassionate. we come before you come of the fountain of all wisdom and the light of all truth. we come before you not in pride or in arrogance, but we come before you in true humility. we come before you because we need your help. we need your help in these troubled times. we need your help for this
beloved nation. we need your help for those who have been traumatized and troubled by the painful events of one year ago, and all that has continued since. we need your help, lord, now, to be the democracy you would have us to become a to be the nation you would have us to be. one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. so, we ask you now to help us, to help all those who are traumatized. help all of those who have lost loved ones. help those who are struggling. help us to be instruments of your peace, instruments of your love and instruments of your healing for this land, for this
congress, for this government, for we the people, for this country and this world. precious lord, we come not in arrogance or pride, but humbly. precious lord, please take our hand. lead us on. let us stand. some of us are tired. some of us are weak, and some are worn. but through the storm, through the night, lead us on to the light. take our hands, precious lord, and lead us home. amen.
[group in unison] >> amen. >> ladies and gentlemen, master sergeant sarah chef field of the president's own marine band. >> ♪ my country 'tis of the e -- of thee sweet land of liberty of the icing -- of thee icing. land where my fathers died land of the pilgrims' pride from every mountainside let freedom ring ♪
democratic leader of the senate, all our colleagues from the house and senate, we prayerfully mark one year since the unser >> and -- since the insurrection and patriotically honor the heroes that defended the capitol , and our democracy, that day. let us all have a moment of silence in memory of those who lost their lives and sacrificed so much for our democracy that day. >> ♪ god bless america
include your first name and your city if you would. we will hear your voices now. ishmael and indianapolis. -- in indianapolis, tell us what you're thinking about. >> thank you for taking my call. i am 61 years old. my comment is we are so divided. in hades, we had leaders. people in the old they sat together, even with the differences, they had lunch together.
they had common ground, today we don't have that. these colors are calling and talking about their idea of what is going on with this country, who they are blaming. it is not a matter of democrat or republican. it is a matter of america. you see the democrats were at a vigil just themselves. not many republicans and joined them -- had joined them. we should be the number one country on earth to represent the freedoms and that is what i'm here for. as an immigrant in an adopted country i see a similar divide between us.
i think i will leaders like pelosi and trump and biden need to think about america, not their parties. >> do you worry about the state of american democracy and a lot of the messaging indicated today? >> i am. look at the french, look at the british. look at our allies. they have become more afraid. we have rush on one side, chinese on the others. we have a lot of problems and things going on in ukraine. we are silencing each other in america. that is with the problem is. i think we wanted to be united. forget about your party. think about america. larry: how are you doing.
can you hear me ok? i called in because in 2021, this full year has been a joke. on the republican side. after sliding down the rabbit hole, only to hear the rabbit say you are late, you are late, you're late for an important date and that date is getting involved, america and voting for congress and the senate, voting for the john lewis act and the
bbb act. build back better. that is the only way we are going to come out of this. >> thank you for calling in. let's hear from randall in summerdale, ohio. randall, we're talking about the first anniversary of january 6 in the capitol attack. were you watching last year? were you watching today? what you think it means? >> yes. i have been watching the whole thing. i am 38 years old and i feel like the attack on our capital was terrifying. people my age, we did not see the wars of the 70's and 60's and 50's but around fathers fought them for us to be free. i feel we should respect our government and be proud to be
americans and feel good that we can be free to have religion and do what we want. these other countries are horrible. they control everything you do. you don't have the freedom to be gay. you don't have the freedom to have the religion you want. we have all of that here. we should love and respect our government. it works. it has worked for hundreds of years and still works. >> but what you said into the context of the attack on the capital. >> i feel like that was the most horrible thing we could have ever done as americans. i feel like it was disrespectful to every soldier that ever died and disrespectful to our freedom and what makes us american. >> jim in cottage grove, oregon, you are on c-span. >> i was reflecting back to what
i watched last year being just south of portland, i got to see these mostly peaceful protest that in my view were not peaceful at all. that did not have anything to do with this. the video is leading up to where they actually breached the capital. the senate floor and everything. it was mostly peaceful. i don't know how many thousands or hundred of thousands of people were there but it seems like there were just a few instigators that row than up -- riled them up that said we are going inside now and other people said we are not doing that. we are just here to show our support for president trump. but you look at leading up to the election on county people
trump had at his rallies versus how many biden did on his stops and they never really panned back except for a few times. there may have been a hundred people at bidens. it makes it hard to figure out how he got 80 million votes. i realize there are more people voting in the united states because our population has grown but now we have even more people coming across the border. i am sure it is because of biden because trump had the border shut down. people working for a living to enjoy the fruits of their labor and with the socialist thing, the fruits of the labor are going to be taken away and shared with other people. >> do you think january 6 of last year was an attack on democracy? >> i don't know if it was so much an attack on democracy or
there was enough people that thought that trump had it by a landslide and there is enough question that they would show up in support and why they ever went inside the building, some of the clips i have seen throughout the day and during last year made me wonder whether it was proud boys or peacekeepers or the one guy they keep saying might have benefited or a plant. the one guy that filmed ashli babbitt being shot. i have seen videos of him at black lives matter rallies where they want to hang trump so why was he shown supporting trump? then he claimed i was just there to document it. >> that was jim in cottage
grove. this is denise in wilmington, illinois. your thoughts on january 6. correct etiquette was disgraceful. it is an embarrassment to our country and it scares me. it truly scares me. unfortunately, this whole thing happened because trump incited his folks. trump wanted to be the one meter. he refused to accept the fact that he lost the election and unfortunately, there is so much division between what information is being taken in by both sides. it would be nice if we had a media where only the truth was given, only truth was allowed and i am crippled to see social media is putting the kibosh on false ads and false information but a lot of these people that i work with, republicans
democrats, we disagree and we talked about it at work and whatnot and we respect each other's opinions but that is the problem, so any people are not respecting each other's opinions as americans and saying the parties need to stop. we are all americans. especially in politics. it is disheartening to me to see the republican party stand behind a man instead of standing behind the people. we did not hire them to work for trump. we did not hire any of these people to work for a specific party. we hired these people to work for us. ultimately, they are our employees. if we are going to get anything done and we are ever going to move forward as a country, the only thing we are going to be able to do is work together and we need to get back to a stage where we are all working together and taking about the common good like they were talking about, the historians
were talking about. we need to think about what is good for the country. we are not parties, we are country. >> leave -- let's leave it there. we have this text from new jersey. we can whitewash the attacks on our nation's capital. it was treason committed that day. as an independent that has conservative views, i understand that biden has not done stellar but we need a third party in this country. at the end of the day, america can survive bad policy, we can't survive treasonous people failing to uphold their oath of office. there's liam -- that is liam in new jersey taxing that in. ava, good evening to you. what are your thoughts about january 6? >> i was watching it today and like when i watched it last year, it is emotional. it is devastating. i am a person who has voted
since i have been 18 years old. our democracy was ransacked in such a way out of either false news or a chaotic belief that the votes were all wrong and a president insisting they take back the country for his party anyway they could and desecrating the sacred grounds of our very constitution that was founded by our forefathers. breaking in, hurting people, deaths occurred. there is no sense of respect. seeing this replay is so traumatizing. to think that my fellow brothers , my next-door neighbor could have done this, for what purpose? what is gained out of it?
it is scary. my partner, he is from -- he is a citizen but he was born during world war ii in germany and the atrocities that occurred to their and the violence. to see our america and how far we have come to behave this way and think violence is the answer to everything is astonishing and i commend former vice president dick cheney and his daughter for being the republicans showing up today but where is everybody else? it is devastating and scary. i have a daughter who is the army. she is in her 13th year of serving. it scares me to think that we as human beings in a wonderful world that is supposed to set the example of our country that we live in, born in or decide to be a citizen in, to have people
think that you can behave this way and take back whatever you think is wrongly taken, this is the epitome of our constitution and our laws and our rules and to destroy it, it is like i am speechless. all of this time i see this replay. is this happening in this day of age -- day and age? >> thank you for calling and from palm springs. -- in from palm springs. >> i am really concerned for the country after seeing all of this. being in the age where we grew up on the internet, we saw a lot of things come to a head and i just want to know what is going to be done by the government to control the whole rhetoric that is around.
it is really thought-provoking, especially with where i am from. i have a lot to think about how some of these rhetorical games have been around for a while. i am really praying for the nation after watching something like that happen. >> thank you. >> tammy from st. petersburg, florida, january sixth was an awful reflection of us but i feel today's narrative and repetition of the event only continues to separate us from each other. it saddens me as much as january 6, 2021 did. stephanie in eugene, oregon, you have 30 seconds. sorry to make it so quick. >> that is all right. i just wanted to call and say that it really rings me to tears. i am extreme the critical about
republicans. but at the end of the day, our country is a democracy, those people were voted in by the people. whether you like it or not, an attack on democracy is an attack on our people. i think this was an attack on our soil, our land, everything. >> thank you, i apologize to cut you off short but we are running out of time. everything we covered today on the first anniversary of january 6 of 2021 is available on our website. president biden's speech, the vice president speech, matt gaetz's news conference, the panel discussion with the historians, members reflecting on the day, you can find it all right there on our website. you -- we appreciate you all
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