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tv   Washington Journal Katrina vanden Heuvel Discusses Progressive Priorities  CSPAN  January 25, 2017 7:06pm-7:39pm EST

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job. dealing with these enormous budgets. he will have to convince these people in the trump cap met and the people in congress that we have to cut the budget and make sure the expenditures -- it is a difficult thing to do. everybody in washington loves to play santa claus. likes a person that is trying to restrain them. he is a good man, he knows the budget, he has been in congress three or four terms. we should all pray that he gets this job. we cannot continue to borrow and borrow and think that will make america rich. john: with a heritage foundation, always appreciate you coming by. katrina joins us from new york. she is editor and publisher of the nation magazine. her piece ofabout
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progressive resistance in the trump era. about the state of progressivism. what easy get is in the dawn of trumpism. guest: there is no question that is a tough time. we don't how much honesty in our politics right now. i do think that we saw in the campaign -- first of all, the sandersdores bernie spirit we endorsed hillary clinton. bernie sanders is a country that has a hunger for progressive majority positions on a range of , education, medicare for all. the democratic platform, which emerged from the campaign was one of the most progressive platforms in contemporary modern history. hillary clinton won the popular vote by some close to 3 million votes. i think we had a largely
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progressive centerleft country. which for a variety of reasons we can talk about, or not talk has not been realized. i think it will take a lot of work, a lot of structural work, nation at a hundred and 50 years old is dedicated to. , onenk we are in a place calls it the wilderness. a time for rethinking, rebuilding, organizing and people are committed. i think you saw it the willits march.his -- women's the largest political march in history. if you pull together all of the numbers, it is that. if that protest, those people intoing can be channeled organizing and rebuilding, i
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think we are in a better place. we do need to move from protests to politics. i say politics whether it is activism building electoral politics. i was encouraged the day after 1000omen's march that women were being trained and recruited to run for office around the country. whether it is school towards, municipal boards, city councils. wakening up of millions of people, especially young people is a silver lining, if there is one in this trump era. john: donald trump and his message have been described as populace. what do you think the differences between a populist and a progressive? see an end this past sunday. that was a focus of conversation. the term populism has a long history in our country. there was a populist at the end
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of the 19th century, progressive, rooted in community . there is a right-wing populist, populism and a progressive, less democratic populism. groupe donald trump is a -- depositary. progressivers is a populists. he doesn't turn to division and scapegoating. it's about inclusivity and taking on the incorporations on behalf of the underdogs. i think there is a progressive populism. we are seeing an ascendancy of populist -- populism. weather inworld france, netherlands or in germany. how do we rebuild the progressive populism? i write a weekly column for the
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washington i wrote a column of progressives response to trumpism. i think progressives have to respond to the anger of working .eople brown, white, all people, working people against an establishment which does not listen to working people. we have seen an epic fail of the elite in the wake of the financial isis in 2008 and 2009. without speaking to what a progressive trade agenda is. without speaking to what the nature of work will be, the dignity of work. not speaking to patriotism and national -- nationalism. these are issues we must grapple with. this is the work of progressives. -- if the senate had gone democratic, which was one of the heartbreaking moments of that election night, you
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would have had a progressive populist caucus. elizabeth warren, jeff merkley, others who i think could have rebuilt the idea of populism as a progressive democratic force in american politics. they will, but the obstacles are larger. john: if you want to join the conversation, foam eyes are open. -- phone lines are open. if callers are calling in, what idea foryour progressives to rebuild and resist in the trump era? about a wrote a column blueprint, i say with humility, there is no silver bullet. i think we need a diversity of tactics and ideas. states's, that this
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cities and communities will be a ofce in moving a legislation humane reforms that improve the conditions of people's lives. improving people's lives is what matters for me. cities and states work against a trump administration ofimprovi't matters for me. reform. whether on immigration, health care, climate. you see it in direct city. mayor deblasio saying new york city is a sanctuary city. cities can't resist legally. jerry brown's state of the state was a defiant response to donald 's cruel agenda on health, immigration did i think that becomes -- immigration. i think that becomes important. there has to be a national
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agenda of what is on the ground and in the streets. connecting that movement energy to the inside energy of electors. i think you want to build a pipeline of people who will run for office at the local level and state level. the attorney general has a good line, when they go low, we go local. under president obama we have seen a terrible hemorrhaging of democratic progressive power at level.y and state 69 and 99 state levels are republicans. 362018 you to have gubernatorial of seats open. leads up to 2020 in redistricting. we need to focus hard on rebuilding in that area. and finding a pipeline of young, not so young progressive candidates, especially people of
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color, women. i think the democratic national committee fight which is underway. a new chair will be elected in february. all of them and the nation will endorse keith ellison, the congressman from minnesota who has been committed to the understanding of mobilizing people, fundraising and consultancy is the first round of rebuilding the democratic party. everyone of those people running for dnc chair -- remember what howard dean reminded of us. we were -- we need to compete in 50 states shadow cheaper and we cannot give up on parts of the country. we have to fight where we can. i think city, states going local , what happened in those communities with a national message connecting the energy to those in washington. action not see a lot of in d.c., but we will run the country. i think that will be positive.
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mike, good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call and thank you for c-span. comments aboutr state and local. won the election on the electoral college. i think democrats and those who are interested in the people being successful, versus others at other levels. infants, in the commonwealth of virginia, gerrymandering is as old as politics in america. focus one democrats state legislators. for instants, here in the commonwealth, the latest redistrict doing --
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redistricting declared to the courts it was unconstitutional. place to ihe biggest do not think will be able to change the constitution on the electoral college. i would like to see that. the encouragement of younger , bute -- i am 62 years old younger people to get involved in the program. -- my last comment is , whether it be progressive or conservative, aren't we all in this together? president lincoln want all people to be covered in health care. ,epublican teddy roosevelt democrat frank when, roosevelt, even richard nixon. they all realized if we had a , then theyulation are able to contribute to the workforce.
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they are able to contribute to their communities. again, state legislators and of theg on those issues electoral college and getting more people involved and not feeling like it does not make any difference. say, ai just want to civil rights corresponded is someone you -- your listeners might know. say winded workers rights, voting rights, women's rights become left or right issues. ? i agree about labels, sometimes they are useful in different ways. rights become left orwe should a healthy, sustainable, fair, just america.
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nation was founded in july 1865 at the end of that bloody, brutal civil war. slavery, committed to in equal, just and fair america. i think on the electoral college is something called the national popular vote. i ask your listeners to check it out. it would not mean amending the constitution. it could lead to the abolition of the electoral college. it was founded to reduce dissipation, to keep -- participation, to keep voices out. structural racist history. our political system is a mess and it saddens me. hen donald trump talks about did not win the popular vote voting, a illegal toent president should try
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restore the integrity of our voting system. this was the first election that 15 states had new voting restrictions to suppress the vote, not to enhance the vote. not to enhance persisted patient. at -- not to enhance anticipation. -- anticipation. why is it that republicans committed themselves to voter suppression as a political agenda? reduce not enhance. there are states around the country that are doing a great job. extraordinary voting rights. it is working overtime to increase participation. we want more people peoplepating, and more -- there is a saying organize people versus organized money. we want more people in our political system. that's get to that work and not accusing this and that of
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tampering with our voting. john: we showed our viewers these tweets from president trump tweeting out this morning that i will be asking for a major investigation into voter those including registered to vote in two states. even those registered to vote who are dead. depending on the results, he said in his tweets, it will strengthen our voting procedures. i was just going to say one thing. this is day five i think of the had todministration, i tweak the other day let's all take a deep breath. the hyper coverage of donald trump's tweets. what do we do about them, we cannot ignore them. win the morning, to be the news coverage of the day. we need to do the reporting that
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needs to be done, not just follow his tweets and make that news for the day. let him do the investigation. it is the case that his campaign filings noteds that there was a tampering and no problem with the vote. that was certified at the time. this is a long time republican obsession. trumpianmp he and -- of session. off how went to pick many qualified lawyers and groups have explained that voter fraud is essentially a fantasy going on. voting restore our integrity. but the attorney general and the hard ondepartment move that. i do not see it in the cards, i pick it will take independent action and the work of groups who have labored hard for many years. john: carla, republican.
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caller: good morning. i would like to make a statement. yes i did vote for donald trump, but i prayed hard on that decision. what i see in our country that i am worried about -- i am a 61-year-old disabled widow. i do depend on my social security, but i try to go back to work two years ago and my body would not let me. the kind of concerned about entitlements and stuff. i live on a budget. what i am worried about in our i see the fight between the democrats on the republicans and the independence and progressives and all these labels. first?we americans
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before that, art we all god's children? -- thee find some way people running our country can't say quit arguing like children. guest: i feel for your condition, what i said earlier is how i feel about politics. the bottom line is, does it improve people's lives? you are facing a very difficult situation. i agree that the bickering seems petty in contrast to the great needs of this country. it is not about republican and democratic. a channelt c-span had called trans-partisan. i do not agree on every issue democrats lay out or every issue progressives layout. there are differences. i take your situation as i heard it. security can be
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done it would be of great value to you. i think it is on the trump agenda -- it would be interesting to do because trump during the campaign said he did not want to cut social security or medicare. those in congress like paul ryan have had their eyes on the prize. that is privatizing or cutting bills earned benefits. entitlements they are earned benefits of working people like you. look at the issues, don't look at the labels. if you look at the issues, i would submit to you that those who have put out the plan to expand social security, are more in your corner and fighting for you. john: independent, good morning. caller: i have a couple of statements to make. is,oncern in the country the reason why we cannot get ahead in this country is because of all the greed that is out
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there. everybody wants to be rich, rich, rich. with trump dropping the corporate tax from 45% to 15%, that makes people like walmart and all the great corporations profits double automatically and immediately. trickles down to the employees, no. you have mcdonald's making great profit and employees are being paid $7.50 an hour. you had an incident -- and they talk about how regulation will make more jobs if you deregulate. if you remember in california when there was an electrical problem it was after deregulating. guest: i think the idea of the linkage between the regulation and creation of new jobs is a fantastical one. it is hard to prove. you are right about -- greed is
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a human emotion. there needs to be a check on greed. we have lost that check in the last decade. we have lost it because of social contract. a betweenst communities, people, workers have been shredded. the financial efficient -- the -- it is noton creating. you have the enormous gap that between ceo pay and workers pay. in portland, just talking about sitting state reforms, there was a bill passed that if a publicly the gap between ceo pay and worker pay exceeded 200%, the company had to pay a surtax. it used to be just three decades the gap was 36 to one -- 36-1.
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there is a fact that we have a fetish in this country. it is not a fetish recorded about donald trump. it is the fetish that the true purpose of a corporation is to maximize shareholder value. it should play a role in workers rights. corporations upend and leave communities ravaged. he may have given a dystopian speech on inauguration day, but american carnage is what corporations have left as they trample on their workers to move to companies -- countries with aching get a better deal. there needs to be some checks. regulations.o be they need to control what our totral primal human emotions
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the detriment of working people and fairness. shared prosperity fairness. left.about 10 minutes a lot of calls. charleston, west virginia, democrat. caller: i am a fan. guest: thank you. that the believe democrats in congress, if they would follow bernie sanders they would get many, many more people on their side. that he excited and the millennials. the primary,im in
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but i did push for hillary because i don't trust donald trump. i think the democrats leave trump alone. i think you will have enough rope to hang himself. also, the republicans in congress could -- congress, the ones that follow him. is what i listeners go out and learn about the progressive caucus. it is something bernie sanders cofounded 25 years ago. 80 members in the house of people who really share bernie sanders vision on issues. keith ellison is cochair of the progressive caucus. he gets it, he was one of very few in congress to endorse bernie sanders. i think what bernie sanders did to inspire young people is extraordinary. what we need to do now is make
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sure those people do not to now and jiabao out. that they remain engaged. the women's march was exhilarating. nation's covered sanders for 25 years. bernie sanders took a risk. run and no one pays attention and it doesn't catch on, one i have to spread it as a progressive vision an idea. it caught on. important that there be others who follow and take a measure of his issues. that this country wants to hear those ideas, wants to fight for those ideas. that is what was so exciting. i call it media malpractice. the media gatekeepers did not give him fair time. certainly not early on. his issue still caught on. the says a lot about
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possibilities of democracy in this country. john: republican in arizona. she professes progressivism. bernie sanders ran as a democrat was a socialist. how many -- was on with brian lamb several years ago. forgotten man. she defined in that book that the progressives were registered members of the communist party from 1900 till 1948 or so. there is enough redbaiting in this country. redbaiting, what we need is how to rebuild a healthy democratic america.
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bernie sanders, democratic socialist, independent from vermont. what he is is an old-style new dealer. if you want to call franklin roosevelt a communist, he was. he was called a socialist and a communist. go ahead and do so. there are a lot of people in this country who shared bernie sanders ideas. you want to smear him and his ideas as communist, you are on the losing side. there is a generation that grew up in a very different country. barack obama is the president they know. to learn history. essentially, bernie sanders new dealer, old-style new dealer. if the democratic party was in europe, progresses would be social democrats. even on the right side of social democracy. don't do communism. better?o something there is enough about putin and russia that is ridiculous and our discussion.
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i believe it is not pro-trump, tin, it is to-pu seek a working relationship with russia to deal with nuclear which is dangerous to try to resolve the syrian crisis and the refugee crisis. to try to deal with combating terrorism. a whole slew of things. is a new kind of baiting and we do not need yours sir. john: did you have a question? caller: i am wondering why she won't admit she is a socialist communist? guest: give me a break. come on. that is so ridiculous. i am an editor of the nation. i am a progressive, i am a liberal. sorry.w, i am
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it is very early in the morning. maybe not for you. i guess people who dream about communist get up early and have a lot of energy. john: bob, go ahead. i am a big fan of yours. i agree with everything you just said. i was for bernie sanders. the corporate media destroyed his campaign. is, both parties -- i am 58, the last 40 years they have let down the working man. mappedinton's policies the removal of glass-steagall during his time. i helped the hope sign here in great falls when obama was here.
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he is what i would call a liberal elite. his policies the last eight years have not helped the working man. i agree with you. bernie sanders, everything he .aid was what fdr was about my mom grew up during that time. .e was god he helped the working class. thishas not been done in country since fdr. if you look at your towns around the work that was done was during work programs that fdr got going. when we look at the desperate needs for an infrastructure program in this country -- and i think donald trumps will be about privatization, not rebuilding in a positive way. itare living in many ways, you are right, in the remnants of bridges that were built of
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that time. i think what the democratic party needs to do is be very clear on who side it's on. it is the case that bill clinton, who also had republican .olicies the nation warned of an oppression. it would lead to the financial the ravage we saw working people. so much of this is something else bernie sanders talked about. of democratic street,nding to wall big money, corporations, we need to find more ways to fund campaigns. this is going to be a long struggle. we have a supreme court that has empowered corporations and big money. what bernie sanders showed with $27 and the internet fundraising , there is a different model. it is important to untethered. it does define the conditions
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that give prominence. inside theood people democratic party, but it is divided. the fight for the party is on. direction, and i hope you will play a role. standss need to show it with working people across the country if it will retain its history and possibilities. john: you mentioned the supreme court. dot should senate democrats when it comes to donald trump's nomination, now expected to be announced next thursday? guest: i think they need to play hardball. it is just this graceful what the republicans did to president obama's choice. i think there needs to be a strong opposition. your listeners, viewers to read our next issue for an editorial of how we see stte


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