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presidency. >> if there is anyone out there that still doubts of america that america is a place where all things are possible where they wonder if the dreams of the founders are alive. who still question the power of our democracy tonight is your answer. .. >> it's the answer told by lines that stretch run schools and churches, in numbers this nation has never seen. people who waited three hours, four hours. many for the first time in their lives. because they believe that this time must be different, that their voices could be that
difference. it's spoken by young and old, rich and poor, democrat and republican, black, white, hispanic, asian, native american, gay, straight, disabled, disabled and not disabled. [applause] americans send a message to the world that we have never been just a collection of individuals or collection of red states and blue states whose we are and always will be the united states of america. >> the scene eight years and two months ago, november 4, 2008, as senator barack obama declares victory and make history is america's first african-american president, estimated 250,000 people in chicago's grand park on a mild night, the start of eight years in the white house. as he prepares to leave on
january 20th, history is assessing the obama legacy for the next three hours on c-span2's booktv three authors adding their perspective to his two terms in the white house, we are joined by april ryan. her book the presidency in black and white, an up close view of three presidents and race in america. how ray still enslave the american soul. david maraniss, barack obama, the story. thank you for being with us on booktv. if you write the first paragraph today of the obama presidency. >> a wistful sensation to listen to that election night address by then president obama. and think about the promise and what has happened since. the only you can say for certain on with that paragraph would
include our he was the first black president, took office at a time when the country was in a deep recession and in two wars, and lasted for eight years. everything after that is up for grabs. until this election, it would have included extending health care to millions of americans, and other folks are uncertain because of what happened in the last election. history depends on who writes the history and when that history is written. it might be quite different, might be he was the first of many african-americans, women who became president from then on. and even more important than it does at this point when looking at bill clinton's perspective.
>> your book came at the start of his presidency and he wrote the following. came out of an uncommon family, brilliantly scattered and broken, parts would never be fitted neatly together. how did he figure it out? how did he create a life that made it possible for his own political rise? >> he spent years trying to figure it out from the period he left hawaii, from the furthest place possible to rise to power, started college, colombia and chicago finally. during the entire period he was essentially introspective. the contradictions life through his way from a broken family, mixed-race background. so many things he had to try to resolve and he spent those years from the time he left for
harvard law school, seriously introspectively trying to figure it out which he did for better or for worse. unlike most human beings i would call him a, quote, integrated personality giving self-confidence and not a need for people, self-confidence is common among politicians, the need for human affirmation is not. the self-confidence of getting to the presidency, lack of the need for transactional politics at various times got out of trouble. it was an internal effort entirely. >> your book talks about his father, you traveled to kenya in 2010. what did you learn about him, his father and the relationship and how it may have affected his thinking in his career.
>> in his memoir, he sets it off in an interesting direction. he didn't know his father at all. he was much more shaped by his mother. his father shaped only from a boy, trying to figure that part of himself out. his father was brilliant. his father had a very deep resident voice as barack obama, never underestimate that genetic inheritance in terms of obama's appeal. his father was a man with aspects of success, failed in the end and died at a very early age, 42. barack obama spent the period i
am talking about and later when he went to kenya to find more about his father, dealing with what it meant, who he was. his father was part of that. in the traditional sense barack obama could not be called a natural american. he is african and american, somewhat different. growing up in hawaii he didn't have many black friends. it was a very multicultural place but without many african-americans so he had to learn secondhand from studying african-american history, the search to find his father. >> we want to talk about the issue of race. how would you answer the first question, beyond the issue of race, his legacy?
>> you cannot take race away from the first black president of the united states of america. we talk about society before barack obama became president. a post-racial society. these days, transition of power, we are going to announce post obama. we don't have post-racial america. that all became clear once this man becomes president of the united states, ascendancy to the highest office in the land, a spotlight on all the ills of the nation when it comes to african-americans. i also believe the visual of him being there, i didn't think was a big deal because i thought about this as the democratic convention before hillary clinton came out on stage and we saw the picture of every president, every white mail president and stop number 44,
barack obama, that visual was impacting and you see the chance of hillary clinton breaking the ceiling but to stop there, and the conjecture about african-americans, now seeing on videotape, not missing conjecture, the highest number of negatives in every category when it comes to african-americans. when you have a black man, be it from a kenyan dad, a white mom, still african-american. when you have a black man reached the highest level in the land and have the ills in the community that is saying something, we are not a post-racial america. january 20, 1201, post obama era. >> you ask this question to president obama. what was your greatest
disappointment on race during this administration? >> from my standpoint, one of the big disappointments, he had to undergo a change in who he was, the first time particularly. barack obama in call and response, the preacher in chief, he knows how to rouse a crowd and get people to listen. this is when he was an organizer. when he came in he had the this person who was totally different from who he was in chicago streets was the person he had grown to become when he married michelle obama and had both kids, he became the barack obama who happened to be black.
we see the true barack obama. he's not ashamed of talking about issues of race. he wanted to push the bar forward more so when he talked about for everyone. there was an undercurrent that was an effort to lift up the underserved and didn't get a chance to do what he wanted. issues of criminal justice, not sure he was concerned about gun control. that was a big issue, one of the pieces he had. i am sure he's very concerned about the issue of policeing and how it will look after he is -- there is a concern. the videos are suppressed with the administration. those are concerns with issues of education, issues of income any quality which you can only deal with so much in eight years after hundreds of years of
disparity. >> 6 months into the obama presidency you asked the president this. >> i have time for two more questions. april? >> how are you doing? back on the economy, mister president, people are criticizing the recovery plan, specifically reports in the washington post that say the african-american unemployment rate will go to 20% at the end of this year. and next year nothing changes. >> we know the african-american unemployment rate, consistently higher than the national average
and if the economy as a whole is doing poorly, the african-american community is going to be doing poorly, they will be hit harder. the best thing i can do for the african-american community or the latino community or the asian community is to get the economy as a whole moving. hold on one second. if i don't do that, i am not going to be able to help anybody. >> eight years later how did he do? >> it is 10 years after a president leaves, the numbers, his numbers of gone down but not far enough. mainstream america, unemployment rates 5% or 6%. the double the national average and going back to the piece, historically from the time africans were brought to this country there has been a problem
economically for african-americans. in eight years, do you believe we can correct something going on all that time? i'm not saying he gets a pass but there needs to be something in place to change the dynamic of what has been happening historically. >> eddie glaude who teaches democracy in black, how ray still enslaves the american soul. what are you hearing so far? >> we know it will take time to assess the significance and substance of obama's presidency. we know the country is deeply divided and i think part of what we have to do is take a cold, objective look at the substance, as far as we know, of his time in the white house.
what we do know is unemployment right now is that 4.6, 4.3%. the national average among african-americans is 8.1% and what you see here is actually an indictment of his approach because even if you get the country going and lift all boats, if you don't address the fundamental structural realities on that divide, you still have the doubling of unemployment numbers. overall there is a sense in which from my vantage point we have to assess the implications of obamacare, think about race to the top in terms of policies on education and think carefully about criminal justice to at least begin the process dismantling, or ask the question if he has done that, ask
questions around immigration reform. weight to be labeled the reporter in chief. and we have 5 fronts. there's libya, syria, yemen, we have to ask serious questions about his throne policies, ask serious questions even as we concede the presidency. he will be grappling, this will be interesting. that represents the end of clinton is him. and this is aspirational or
wishful on my part. we will mark the end of that iteration of the democratic party. >> the naacp award. you conclude by saying no more dancing, no one will be uncomfortable, uproot racial habits by doing democracy if we fail this grand experiment in democracy will be no more. the prism of the obama presidency explains those words? >> part of what is happening, this is a political capital, and it is evident in american policy. and reimagine policies to address persistent racial inequality and triggering racial animus so before we imagine what actual racial equality looks
like we are worried what is politically possible. and we talk about explicitly, trigger white fears. and the cops were stupid and arresting him, the director of the hutchison institute at harvard, and all hell breaks loose so we have to dance, if obama says trayvon martin could have been me he is trading in a race car and even when president obama -- and what happened in minnesota, he has to become the
interpreter in chief, the interpreter in chief, explain to white america what is happening in black america is real and most black americans know it is real because we experience it, talking to us about it, his dance so we can make life uncomfortable. we can't really, we will never fundamentally address that. >> despite that, the white resentment -- >> exactly. >> anytime you talk about anything, people are afraid, they feel if someone is trying to step over into their territory they have a problem. i want to go back to a point you said, when you deconstruct issues of black unemployment and
barack obama tried when he went to aca, aca is not just about keeping people healthy about wellness to work in a job. also when you look at black unemployment and you look at education many people live in urban america, taxes are less then richer part of their community and their education is based on property tax and other issues, building blocks, trying to attack this. can you do that in eight years? you cannot after hundreds of years. >> we do know is aca, 20 million americans, we also know those are the working poor, having a difficult time raising premiums, -- deductibles are high. the public option would have been an option, better benefit for the majority of the most vulnerable. to ask that question, to preempt doing it is a problem.
>> the end of the clinton era, based on pragmatism and defensiveness. >> and think about education, race to the top. race to the top double down on bush economic, double down on george w. bush's education policies so much so so much so had to backtrack. assessment, overburden teachers, interrupted the actual teaching experience so what you saw with race to the top they only pull back to no child left behind. not trying to say president obama hasn't done good over eight years but part of what we have to do in the post-obama era as we look at the back of his head. we have to take a hard look at
these policies. how might those policies upset pathways. >> numbers of those graduating are higher, you are having less issues, and criminal justice, we cannot deny two african-americans, i have been before, we talked about issues with your son. i have been profiled, many people, my brother, my father, now we have this piece with the knee-jerk reaction. henry louis gates, that went for eight years, criminal justice and trayvon martin and -- we are
seeing these videos, bold enough to take these videos, not necessarily the way we would like them, but accountability and without that that were to go away, start suppressing this, the justice department says i don't want to deal with that, let's go with the police, communities, the black community is all for great solutions, weeding out bad solutions and that is one credit for the barack obama administration, one knee-jerk reaction led to this accountability piece with white people buying into criminal justice reform and conjecture. >> black lives matter matters. there is a mad move with criminal justice at the forefront pushing it, the first administration is one thing but
organizing that happens around the deaths of mike brown, ferguson, murder of eric garner, you can go down the line, henry jones, down the line, mobilization pushing this administration. >> learn how to leverage. >> barack obama the organizer has improved but needs to be pushed. he needs to be pushed by professor glass on all these issues. you don't know what would happen if he tried to get individual health care in the first term. would it have been defeated? even donald trump and republican congress cannot rescind the entire package and from now on more people will be troubled? others are open to debate, people like you are necessary
from either side to pushed to do more, be the best they can be. >> david maraniss, author of barack obama:the story, his work includes first in its class, a biography of bill clinton, and to vanderbilt, teaching for the next couple months. >> i do it every year for one semester, teach a course on political biography, and the mccarthy era. my next book, started it before. >> eddie glaude, democracy in black, how race still enslave the american soul, teaching epic and american studies and religion at princeton university, and april ryan, white house correspondent for american urban radio. and mothers and race.
748-8200. east and central time zones, 202-748-8201. on twitter, booktv, on facebook, facebook.com/booktv. you can email us, firstname.lastname@example.org. when you look at the reagan legacy, many point in part to the election of george herbert walker bush as part of that legacy. how do the defeat of hillary clinton affect how people will view the obama legacy? >> it will have a large effect. first of all, barack obama is so important that he get elected because of extension of his policies particularly -- every possible way, when talking about education, clintons in the earlier era did not have a
record on some issues. she would have extended his policies in some places perhaps including integration, pushing it even further. in the short run it depends whether president trump is president for four years. solidifying what was accomplished was very important that hillary get elected. >> one of the darkest days of his tenure, the shooting at sandy elementary school and this moment at the church in charleston, south carolina following the shooting in 2015, president obama. >> amazing grace. amazing grace.
♪ ♪ >> from june 2015, eddie glaude. >> it was an important moment for the country and his presidency. a scholar in african-american religion i stood -- the eulogy was a bit confused. what does grace have to do with what we are doing? graces irrespective of our choices and action and in that moment, that moment a former slave or repenting slavery, what does that have to do with those people? what i was thinking at that moment was the distance, the
distance with the african-american tradition and slavery because of that moment most preachers would have gone for precious lord, thomas dorsey, i am tired, i am weary. part of what i am seeing was an attempt to stand in a tradition and a tradition in a world where he was trying to consult but what was revealed in the moment as a scholar of african-american religion. >> david maraniss, did this just happened, was planned in advance? what is the back story? >> he thought about it on the way down and talk to the staff and his wife about it. some didn't say anything but it wasn't just spontaneous but it was a decision he made at the
moment to do it. someone who is not a religious scholar, a lot of people were, understand your intellectual and even racial context of choosing that it had a powerful effect and in my opinion one of the most moving moments of his presidency. >> i was in london on a book tour. i made it a point to watch that. it was amazing to me. going back to what david said, it was an impromptu decision once there. i am not a scholar, political scholar. i am a member of the black church and have been. many people were on the dais not
to include mackenzie who was right next to him but they welcomed it. that day, momentous praise, unifying for this country after seeing a racist go into that church and watch and pray, that is where grace comes in. april ryan - god's grace where it comes together, was not like that. that is where grace comes in and also worked with josh dubois, his former head -- faith-based initiative. president obama pinned that. he opened the doors of the church but that moment was
impactful. the friday when it happened you had rights priebus, the confederate flag after years. after dylan walked in about it. and a great twitter following, the nation's hyper is a sensitive, build up to that day but that was a moving moment not just for president obama and something that changed his legacy to a certain extent but also a unification because we are people who believe in a higher gain and that was a moment for all of us to come together to go into a black church and watch and pray about the love of god and shoot them down and something is wrong. >> i want to pivot to the economic issue.
david maraniss wrote about detroit. when you look at barack obama's eight years in the white house but the last 15 to 25 years, some of the problems detroit epitomized, what is his legacy and what are the challenges facing the new president donald trump who campaigned on making america great again, helping detroit. >> in terms of the auto industry, the key moment with the ramification terms of when detroit was facing bankruptcy, he did not come in -- that was a political choice. he did things behind-the-scenes that most people don't know about, the staff and treasury department, and located them over there.
and other issues. the larger thread is ever since. and something going on for 40 years. and the problems of the cities of america or urban issues, barack obama in some ways in terms of his answer to april explains we have to deal with everything in the cities as well, struggling black population. the direct action that might have had more effective. >> and economic issue, race
issue, infrastructure issue. >> and drank the water. the symbolism of singing amazing grace, it could have been me. i have to be measured against the consequences of policies that follow. barack obama grabbed a glass of water and drank and the water is still poisoned today, still tainted today and bears responsibility for the symbolic act. it is not healthy to drink. >> let me say this. why was he -- >> small piece of the bigger issue. it was -- those people are very and he stood by the man not trying to justify what he did. if he had not taken that water,
what would it have said? >> the water is not safe for me your these children. elevated -- >> someone with ebola, should he not have helped someone cured from ebola? >> he will drink it too. an interesting argument. >> i want to be very clear here. not trying -- everything president obama has done and will do is bad which and understanding barack obama -- and that represents an achievement that blocks the way to a critical assessment of his
actual power. make more and folks on the ground, they find the act of drinking that water not just an act of solidarity but literally -- you talk to folks on the ground in flint, organizers on the ground, even though you get this stuff come organizers on the ground, much more critical orientation to barack obama. >> it is not as complex as you were making it out. and that was all that was to it. and you know i will get to the bottom of it, the water was just there, he just drank it in solidarity. >> what if he didn't drink? how would you answer that. this is not sufficient, not safe for me to drink, not safe for
the baby to drink. >> bring the army corps of engineers. >> not just drinking that water. going into a brain, lost generation, washington dc, the symbolism of drinking the water and get to the problem of dealing with the issue. >> 748-8280 sensitive time zones and 8201 in the mountain and pacific time zones, three hours, neville is joining us from cleveland ohio, thank you for being patient. >> a few comments if i may which i like mister obama's thoughtful, reflective approach
to most things and i consider that he had a very good demeanor, very nice temper and i admire that. two things i didn't admire where when that representative joe wilson. when the president was talking about them. the health scare matter and the other thing i didn't like was when the gop leader, mitch mcconnell, said that his top goal was to make mister obama a one term president. >> thank you for the question and the comment. david maraniss. >> i agree with the caller that obama has a good disposition and
demeanor and intelligent man, rational thinker and in irrational world. i wasn't clear whether the caller was saying he should have responded more harshly to those actions, in terms of being called a liar in his union address, don't want to get into a shouting match their, a larger thing is -- a lot of times it appears either behind the zeitgeist but never quite at it. either ahead of it or behind it. people are frustrated by that. he doesn't always react immediately to what is going on, he looked at where the traps are ahead of him which >> congressman wilson wagged his finger saying you lied.
how big a moment was that for him? >> it represented the entire effort of major political party, republican party to completely delegitimize a president of the united states. that and onward, it was a eight year effort to delegitimize this president. >> this is a tweet from april perkins, 69 statehouses headeded by the gop adding progressives are not progressive enough. >> they are always going for the jugular. you saw what happened this election. not progressive enough i guess. you say not progressive enough. i am looking -- when it comes to politics i believe bernie sanders tried to help hillary to
be more progressive after they had to fight and figure out who would be the head of the ticket. he actually brought her a little more to the left but it wasn't good enough. when it comes to fighting, fighting against the gop hillary clinton wanted to take the high road like president obama did. they always look to others to fight their battles. i said this the other day. the president is the moon, the moon doesn't market the dog. you let other people fight your battles and he had to be presidential in those moments. >> part of what we had to do, with regards to democratic policy, look what happened, look at what has happened in terms of gubernatorial houses. the newspapers reporting on this.
talking about what would happen and why president obama -- what happens when they wouldn't handle the email list and p started his own organization for the democratic party. what we have seen is over 1000 seats have been lost, the leadership at 70, it is a choice between republican -- you will often choose the republican. so this strategy of the democratic party to triangulate itself to this corner has resulted in i think the callers suggest if we had a more progressive agenda that reflected what ordinary americans think and hold, perhaps we have a breakthrough.
>> you are next. >> enjoying this, eddie glaude is 100% on point especially about the michigan water. i can't believe your other panelists can't see what you are saying. if you go -- he has more intel on the situation then anyone else watching the tv, it wasn't to try to capitulate, i am drinking the water so you should drink it. the fact of the matter is the water was unfit for any human consumption. this is about what to do specifically in an emergency type fashion to make sure the water is corrected not just in flint but across the nation.
i agree with eddie glaude. if we try to play nice instead of being honest we will be on a treadmill. >> there is a distinction between symbolic act of drinking water and what eddie glaude said. i agree he should have said that is trying to explain politically, he thought if you didn't drink the water, president george hw bush not knowing -- that sort of thing. the statement of what he should have said we can agree on. >> they are pouring millions of dollars, congressional leaders are upset because democratic leaders are screaming, members of the congressional black caucus with more money to go
into flint and they are working on the problem and remembering going back to the glass water. both those glasses that were there doesn't excuse the problem but the symbolism, the issue, the gridlock in washington is gridlock in the state of michigan, the gridlock is the problem and there needs to be help for all those people. >> cannot obscure that. >> i don't want to belabor the deck of the water but the action be change you read about race. let me start with eddie glaude, take a moment to explain the premise behind this book and why you wrote it. >> trying to account for this moment we were talking about coming out of this economic recession in 2008 when i looked around the community. what does it mean for people to say we turned an economic corner
when people are struggling with unemployment and losing their homes, the blue rental market. engaging in bearing children in public killed at the hands of the police. i wanted to think about this. and account went beyond a racial moments but to think about something at the heart of the country, the achievement gap and something more fundamental which is the value. society is organized on the belief why people matter more. >> the presidency in black and white and your new book, mothers and race in black and white, the premise behind these two books. >> the sole provider, the typical issue in the black home would be the talk from father to son.
now it is being transposed to the mother giving a talk to their children and it is a necessary issue for mothers, not just a book from black mothers but a book that i talk too many people to include, the mother of eric garner, president barack obama talked to me about his mother and how his mother talked about race, jimmy carter, hillary clinton, talked to so many people, valerie jarrett to president obama talking about first lady michelle obama and how black women are very important but lots of societies almost invisible and they have gone for walks, the first lady hates to be in the bubble, she will walk out of the bubble and no one recognized this beautiful statuesque within that she is invisible like the invisible man. you cannot ignore someone who looks like that, no makeup, she
is invisible. when it comes to women in the household and mothers, mother's influence and how they children about race. >> a book on the new york times bestseller lists. and the genealogy of barack obama. >> the first to explore the world that created barack obama and the creation of the world, all of those forces, not just from kenya and kansas, indonesia, the most powerful moment in my reporting when i stood in jakarta in the middle neighborhood, where obama lived when he was 6 years old, going to the public school, fighting
with the kids, the distant island of indonesia and listening to the sound and smell of the place. and overwhelming moment for me. that is the first part of the book. the second part, the memoir is about that to some degree. there is a difference between memoir and biography, when it literature, the real story is different from his story but he was writing it from one perspective, trying to understand himself through the lens of race which is the central part but not the entire story. those are the two things, how he created the world.
and how the world created him. >> king george, virginia, welcome to booktv and "in depth". are you with us? we will try one more time with jim. we may have lost the call. let me go back to what he wrote in dreams of my father. he talked about being a community organizer. in chapter 7 he said change will not come from the top. change will come from a mobilized grassroots and that was the premise of the campaign to defeat hillary clinton, forget how significant that was because she was the front runner in the 2008 campaign. >> there is a contradiction in that statement involving barack obama, the organizer came to the conclusion he needed to get to the top for change. there's only so much in the south side of chicago. it is defined negatively for leading the from behind, came
out of his organizing where you have to have the movement push you. he went to harvard law school, understanding for him to affect change he had to get somewhere larger than organized. >> an excerpt from dreams from my father, the audio released from november 2004 barack obama began thinking about his campaign in 2008 and release his best-selling book four years earlier. >> very clear to me that there's a direct line between the subject matter contained in dreams from my father and the type of politics i aspire to. what this story is about is a boy born to a father from kenya and mother from kansas and an unusual name, traveled to
indonesia, found himself in chicago working in the lowest income neighborhoods in the country and traveled back to africa and was able to weave together a workable meaning for his life as an african-american, and american and as somebody who is part of the broader human family. that was not an easy task. it wasn't an easy task not because i did not have some enormous love for my family. it wasn't because i didn't have people helping me every step of the way. it helped. it was because i found myself born astride a nation and a world that is so often divided
along the lines of race, of class, divided along the lines of religion so we have this enormous, tragic history that all of us confront whatever our backgrounds are, whether we are white, black, hispanic, asian, muslim, jew or christian. the notion in the words of a great writer that happens to win a nobel prize, william faulkner, said the past is never dead and buried, isn't even past. >> barack obama talking about his book dreams from my father in november 2004, elected to the us senate, would become the 44th president. >> that same year propels him
into the national light. when i was researching the book found some letters barack obama wrote, which articulates the same thing in a more poignant way where he talked about he is talking about looking at all the different people that he knew in his life, whether they were african-americans at columbia, friends from pakistan. had a specific channel for their lives. and tried to embrace at all. and defined president obama, barack obama as a candidate for
better and whether he succeeded. >> david in denver, you are next. >> caller: good morning, really enjoying this. happy to have a chance to participate in this, and david maraniss, i read your book on the summer olympics in 1960 in rome, one of the first audiobooks i listened to, i want to piggyback on the first caller, one of the points he made was the republican resistance, i don't know if commentators or historians are emphasizing the fact for eight years the republicans refused to help president obama govern. the political skills president
2010. the democratic party gets wiped before they hit the floor. and the house and senate, congress went and the context is the astroturf movement called the tea party as well as a range of other factors that he should have gone big. the agenda to make him a one term president. instead of doubling down on the agenda, doubling down on the hope and desperation, what do we get instead? a capitulation to the republican agenda. talk about debt relief. concede to the debate, the red herring around the debt which
places of freeze, public employees, he starts doing things in order to in some ways appease the new republican congress. in the name of something, post partisanship, when in fact the final suggestion was extreme partisanship on the part of the republican party. we talk about the republican obstruction but also the complicity. >> i don't believe he was as complicit. i asked why he did go big as well, senior staffers and a lot of things he could have done that he chose not to but at the same time they were complaining and talking about filing lawsuits by filing executive orders i didn't have nearly the amount george w. bush had and going back to the basic, the
very basic definition was clinton -- the very basic piece to what we are seeing now, going back to the collar about the change and how people want something new. i believe barack obama was a cut above this nation saying we don't want washington, we want something new. he was a black man who had some experience but he had not been in washington that long and people gravitated to him and that is what we are seeing with donald trump and she's totally not washington, not governance at all. taking a business approach to social problems, the nation at point where we want to see what happens and how the nation response to donald trump. he is not qualified as well. we have 2 -- you will not hear him in the well of the house saying you live. that was never heard any president being disrespected
like that ever. >> the collar also talked about your book, how many books have you written by the way? >> 11. seven larger books and a few smaller ones. >> is your response? >> the way president obama responded after 2010 is the way resident clinton responded in 1994 after the republicans took office, the clintonian politics. after two years president obama was not ready to give up on his rhetoric, no red states or blue states. that had a lot to do with the way he reacted over the next two years to see if there was the possibility even in the face of the republican hostility, some way to deal with something
larger and the grand bargain was john weiner which was never going to happen. that is why he did it. >> tweet is that booktv, i read several books on his background, the president's background. i already understand why he has such anti-american worldviews, has more in common with europeans and indonesians and elites living in a bubble and academics than ordinary americans. my guess this will not be central to this production. >> ask him what books he reads which i would be interested in that. anti-american use? tell him to respond. >> we will go to data in colorado. keep those sweets coming. >> caller: i would like to ask happy new year to everybody. two facts i would like to state.
what your opinion is. one is the eight us section 1101, that is payments for slave trade, relief for that and i would like to bring up the act of 1996, that particular act, section for car allotments. all these things have been hit and do you think it is incompetence from the president on down and on back to the academic programs or do you think it is just blatant racism and oppression? .. offices to hide this information from this recipient from the black sewers of suffering. let me just say this and then i'll take your opinion on it. i have four cases and the post
office and i can't get the prosecutor to press charges on this person. several other cases. it is just blatant racism. what is a person to do when you have the government, the workers and all of them working against you. you can't get into courts. >> okay, we look at a response. >> i can't speak to the various sections and maxim articles are talking about, and that i do know when there is an effort to swing the ax, budgetary wise, food subsidy programs. all of those programs on the chopping table in the department of agriculture. the congressional hispanic caucus are making sure that those are offended abundantly for those who fall through the cracks. i would suggest that you reach or yourour state federal leaders as well and then on issue i think that's
what were going to. i may get in trouble for this but this nation was built ont the backs of slaves. people talk about this with constant bills been introduced. we have yet to see that.on it goes down a slippery slope. i talked about in my first book. i was with bill clinton at the time and an apology for slavery david, and you may remember that. that was in my first book. had aent bill clinton dinner with black journalists and i was one of those and we ask him why did he not apology --e apologize for slavery. >> that was one major thing.ig if there were apologyco because
how do you give out reparations.as these are the issues that they talk about in washington. i ask the questions. >> we note president know president obama have some ideas about thatthe a section n which president obama talks aboutc the fact that is not politically feasible but what we do know beyond the question of how we mighte part with that. since 1980 there has been a systematic attack on the social safety net in this country and that attack stems fromhaein the shift in what pubc policy aimed at the most vulnerable becoming the face of that. my colleague has written a wonderful work about what happens when the face of poverty becomes black. then certain kinds of entitled programs are read.e nt there is a way in which we see
even and the context of democratic administration since 1980 and attempt an attackdm on the social safety net.si whether and the midst of a deal with the republicans president obama signing offhe on reducing food stamps. we see the politics of our particular moment suggest topa my mind at least little concern for the most vulnerable. >> i just thought of this. one of the paradoxes of this election in this campaign i was that maybe it started to shift that vision a poverty to white people a little bit there's no indication in any way that the republicans are going to deal with that for whites or blacks but nonetheless you saw the b rise of poor whites voting republican and why they had
felt neglected for so long. that may have shifted that vision a little bit i don'tve know to what end. i don't know to what end. you know the story that people there they love the affordable care act but they don't like obama care and it's the same exact thing.it and it's the same exact thing. are you waiting -- reading the tweets in advance. an interesting one. can the panel speak on the affordable care actre and the 2009 fight. the rate hikes that led to the democraticht white vote. different legacy for obama if there wasn't an aca. >> it was a large part of its legacy. when you look beyond thatr
probably the most important thing he did came right after he was elected with getting out of the recessionn butbu that's one of the hardest to explain and to see what would have happened have he not done it.ai i think in terms of the roll out it was a disaster but that's not the important part. the important part wasou what happened when it finally took effect. in my view is that it could be improved. you shouldn't just look at what it is but when it could be s it was the first step that no other president had been able to take forever got to that point. >> david meredith april ryann his books include the
presidency a black and white mothers and the race in blacke, and white.n how race still enslaves the american soul. vicky is vicki is joining us from sandusky ohio. >> i would like to say thank you very much to see stand one into and for me and has been a tool to be able to pay attention for our government actions. i think part of the problem is aren't doing that and watching at the government in action and what is going on and taking place from the white house down. the last eight years had been nothing but instruction is in.
it's been a lame duck eight years for my personal opinion and i don't know where to begin. we talk about discrimination in this country i will say that this country was built upon d not only slavery but the tribes of the united states. working tirelessly instill coming into this country illegally i live and the state that has been doing ao lot of gerrymandering going around.er i live a state that as a woman that is trying to take our rights as women away. even access to birth control. going into this year i'm cautious, hopeful because of something that we have to have. thank you very much for the time and for what you do.fuve
vicki, thank you for joining the conversation. i grew up and the time where we talked about slavery in just a couple of graphs. we don't really talk about why we have the divides that start from the inception of this country and when you start idlking about it people say you can't get over it. native americans have an issue they still need help. african african-americans in until you deal with this issue you will haveat a clashing of people we are the united divided states because of the rules and of the woods had yet to heal. at second happen.
has there been a a question or comment from one of your students with regard to the obama presidency that you thoughtst were positive to question. >> we read notes of the native son.. to the evidence of things not seen. extraordinarily powerful book.fu it was an interesting kind of journey to read baldwin during this election cycle. i think there was a sense in which my students were constantly askingi of obama and of the moment the presence of witness and of courage. trying to demand something more of the political process.ry more than what president obama suggested that you have to move into these domains. trying to in some ways figure out what does it mean to be
grappling in 2017. with the same issues that he was grappling with in 1955. and you are about to teach at vanderbilt university. what are you preparing for in terms of talking about this president and the last eight yearsg . >> barack obama is just one small part of this. i don't know what i will get about barack obama. i know that the students as professor gladys said are very engaged and that sort of moral question in a way that i think
this generation is underestimating and that moral underpinning that the students that i have encountered bring to the classroom. >> the arc of the moral universe b is wrong but it does bend towards justice. ultimately and the end it does. look what happened think about the history with this country. think about civil rights movement the most successful movement in this nation the blueprints that everyone is taking notes from. think about this when he was marching only 4% of the black church supported him. it took white people to see the injustice.
for people to say something is wrong.e it took the civil acts to happen. and they have to go and make and force them to do something. the bottom line is that something. that's why activism is so important.t'ou the day after the election the oj simpson prosecutor said on facebookr, this is a new time of activism. and then we hear people like bob johnson and then we hear people like bob johnson and then i heard it's time for us to find common ground as wellti but than the former head of the naacp we are at a crossroads.bu
justice well ultimately fail. go ahead please. i was wondering if you are guest have read the book. she doesn't expend it. in one community than the other and the first place. i just wonder what you think of this. i'm familiar with that but i don't think much about it. the fundamental assumptions are just bad.e we try to give the sorts of claims kind of legitimacy by addressing them what we do now know is that out of wedlock birth rates have been climbingwe to make the kind of argument between family constitution and criminal behavior.et
again much of the source of claims begin with the assumption that black people who have been killed at the hands of the police deserve to die. i just reject that premise out of hand. they want to find some kind of reason from certain blue lights matter folks. the idea tor suggest that they did something to warrant their death something about them is the reason why they are and the gray. welcome to the program. and thank you for watching. i am a big fan. this past year there is so
many of your views that i am in agreement with on voting and i just think you your intelligence in your gift of sharingg how things should run. and what questions should be asked. thank you for many points of view that you have given me personally. my statement is president obama gave me hope he really instilled in me.. i was so excited to vote forns him the first time. i felt like he almost immediately fit in with the status quo i was so discouraged such as the debate failures.
it was a big letdown for me. he continues the warfare and bombings in seven plus countries and i don't understand why we're still so heavily involvedt.h >> based on your comments who did you vote for. >> i voted for her again since bernie sanders did not get the nomination. is that how you would phrase the obama legacy to make he gave me hope that change would occur and i felt let down. thank you for your call. >> before he came on the scene there is a lot h of activism onh the ground. that have everything to do assisting the iraq warve before that there was the activism of seattle.thf
and then barack obama jumps in front of this in some way we green screened it. we made him the antiwarhe president and made him the savior. and then when he gets to in some ways all the energy gets demobilized.in what do we get when he finally arrives at the white house. select when we went to iraq they took us into iraq. but that was about al qaeda. all that stuff. number in a different phase. we have a new type of terrorismw out there. these are two different groups. what do you do. do allow them to go into
countriesdo and take it down the democracy. it causes the problem. they will breed terrorism. it's much more complicated than that.t' >> part of what i'm saying is that of a foreign policy that effects -- reflects a series of democratic connections that go all the way down.er the drone policy is morally reprehensible. we need to describe it that way. americar i is real. we don't have the finances to fund the war. and then we don't want to put our people in harm's way. we don't want boots on the ground.
to stop rogue activity. i think it's really interesting to me. called him a billion confidence man. it is a harsh judgment it's like in television where you can put behind anything you wanted. it turned out to be a claim as him. in a lot of ways they were deeply and profoundly disappointed and felt betrayed and then energy manifested itself. the heart of everything you say is don't look at the words look at the action. they look at obama's words
when he was running for president that's who he was it's very clear he was against the war.. t this is the same guy was given the nobel peace prize.n the ironies of all ironies. i will say this. when barack obama ran for president we were seen gas prices at $4 a gallon. we were asking about the rose garden. he was denying it. financially we were tired. there were other things going on. working to change it. you do not change things in washington.th
and those were responsible for the financial crisis in some new ways.in again you don't change this in washington. to appoint those with treasury. the business business as usual. let me give you a prime example for today. we will see january 20.0. who does he appoint. there is not much change over the last 20 years. i think they will continue to do that. he is joining us as well. in georgia.
asking about what donald trump faces. it is acted and participatingrt and the is gonna be something that i will and my own modest ways continue to do the rest of the stay on the line we will get your reaction. and the thought about trying to do with the uk what the ukht is doing here and the u.s. and the terms of the uk whatever that our is that you show there is rhetoric and the a sense it is so real they talk about real issues that duringld never hear the debates that she spendpa covers and the house of representatives which is all
sort of pure rhetoric and nothing real. whether it's that youth congress or with the prime minister. c in terms of the action i hopeen he does reserve -- revert to his what i've seen and the last year i think it's verys important for people to push against that.pe >> i really do. when our president was elected he ranan unchanged. there has been so many challenges for him and the country i was wondering looking at his stories is there something with this be something he could stand to watch his kids go through.o
or is politics such a dirty business that we have to do that involved. he has made the assurance that she will never run for public office.ffr she doesn't had time for this. she seen what happens. with all of his attempts good or bad but i wonder about her she is somebody who is a rock, she is real. you can tell it's from the heart. and that's what people are looking for and speaks truth. she has some special juice there.el >> when he was 12 years old. and now he is a junior brown
he's come of age politicallyla politically with the death of a trailer martin. his political sense has been shaped by this uniquely complicated moment and it has shaped his way he h engages the political process and what we do know when we look the exit data about the general election they are broken in those sources. we know that when they start that will suggest the pattern t for decades to come i think they are involved and active. they are changing things on the ground and the area. they are thinking about the organizing that's going on.
they used to bring us and the state of mississippi to the capital for three dayshe and we would legislate. i was the first black youth governor and the state of mississippi. ss with other kids that participated in they would talk about governance and politics. we do know that's where it started. in an interview his former advisor in a podcast that was released last month he was confident that have he run for a third term he would have one there was a two obstacles. do you think you would have won a third term if the t constitution allowed it. for all of the ways that you can critique it.
in states and in congress. i think he would've won. and hillary couldn't find it. let's go to howard in bend oregon. >> i like to get back to david moran's book. i read it. about five or six years. the impression i got was thatsi barack was not thinking of himself as a black man in his days at columbia. and it wasn't until he went to chicago and became a computer the organizer that he really i got involved and the black culture and of course that's where he met michelle one of
the questions i had was i t thought i read the book somewhere that barack obama's mother i'm not sure when she died exactly but she have some objections in my correct. >> she died right which they were about to get into the political life. that's not in my book. i don't think she have the objections.an i think she was encouraging him to find that part of himself.in and somewhat i think it was misinterpreted he was trying to find his home. my book is really a search for home. and he finally found it on the south side of chicago. with michelle later.
when he say. michelle obama with all my heart is one of the reasons why he's president of the nine seats.ag he was able to afford that. i agree with that. the problem with that statement is thatk one can think it's purely political. once you come together you know each other's friends. how significant was that. that is one of the reasons barack obama decided to go to chicago. at that time it seemed like the place to be. he was elected with a lot as well. and so it was a place of hope then.a
interestingly barack obama arrived in chicago the same time that opera winfrey and michael jordanin so he was a very important part of that. it was an incredible racial division between the city council and mayor washington and that's what he decided to go to springfield it was a much more powerful position. i would have got him trapped and the racial politics of that moment.e >> where was this taken and his taken and why did you include it.t. that was scratched into the cement. when barack obama was a junior in high school it was sort of like poetic license here.
that could've been the only remnant of the sky. it isn't because of what happened later. april ryan, we are midway n through our three hour conversation. we will take a short break. we will come back with more ofst your calls and questions as we continue here on c-span two in in-depth on book tv. everybody has to make a living.ld team obama came here on the high horse.
it's a massive private wealth. he has people that came from the hedge fund industry and they don't seem to acknowledge the hypocrisy there. >> the effects are now coming to light. what we have done i think and and the presence here is a testamentin is that we have begun a national reappraisaln of what has happened in against short. of time in 19 months. for many of us seen it unfold is not really surprising it is
happening exactly as we expected it would.si despite the fact that the elites on the left and the right f and many of them mistook his ivy league -- ivy league pedigree for executive leadership abilities.pe the fact of the matter is we elected a man as president who was ill prepared and qualified and experienced. >> why are we plotting that? that the president's professional resume was the occasional anti- capitalist march. i do not countoni- the short stt as a constitutional law lecturer of t his drive-by and
the illinoisct state senate you have to do more than that to be president of the united states. he doesn't stand for the same things that grassroots americans stand for. d they have risen up throughout the countryy and protested in a peaceable fashion. this is not just about the economy. it's not about the fact that there is a lot of unemployment it's about what he is doingat and what he's threatening to do. nationalizing health care thewh cap and trade immigration reform all of these are radical measures, on unlike wee have ever seen in history of our country. we have seen unmasked and unchecked liberalism for the first time in a long time.e they both branches of congress the white house, and they are
doing things that are horrifying people. and i think you see that. he makes public appearances and comes across as a likable outgoing upbeat guy we did see her give it a good that is likability for out run his numbersie and job approval. he is still a liked person and public but that is his performance were talking about is a public figure in terms of his actual working and the governance of this country again and again and learned from both republicans and democrats that he doesn't have
the skill set that ano lyndon johnson head for instance who understood how to manipulate the powerd or ronald reagan he would get together at the end of the dayre with chip o'neil the democratic speaker of the house and have a drinknk with him and reminisce and tell jokes and then start working out how to get a bill passed. barack obama doesn't seem to know how to do that.o he's private a small group of chicago operatives. and when i got the idea for the brief against obama i said what is the worst thing that president obama has done and they could've gone for a couple of days. i just made a list.p and the basement. they didn't help that revolution.n. unemployment is at such and such a great and i spent a
long list. at a list of more than 50 selections and i weathered it down. let me read you the table of contents. after all you need to buy the book.. the nightmare of obama care. a failed stimulus. the biggest spend thrift in history and that is true by the way. the dodd frank had fake. with the constitution. sandalal --dash back stating by to its fate.y resetting the russian button ignoring border security. bowing to china.d
the hyper- partisanship the general lateral realism the fumble or and chief and finally the number of rounds of golf he has played init followed by the decline in disparate rhetoric. it's a pretty good list. >> when you look at the international theme you seern some developments that are equally mysterious. obama said we have to prevent genocide and the use of force against libya. the number of people killed at that point was about 250. meanwhile over a. of many months tens of thousands of people have been killed in syriaf sa and obama absolutely refuses to use force. force. what explains why he intervenes with force over here but not over there? obama has been very active in
egypt and pushing mubarak out of power. not only that, but now that there is a power struggle going on between the military and the muslim brotherhood, the obama administration is intervening on the side of the muslim brotherhood. obama has won the egyptian military, you better turn over power to the muslim brotherhood or we are going to cut off military aid. obama can say i'm a champion of democracy. these people were freely elected. and yet, a year and yet a year earlier in 2009 when there were massive demonstrations in iran calling for democracy, the end of the mullah, free elections, flatly refused to the elections. and -- and that was that.
>> benghazi leaving no security. and from syria to turkey. and the entire town, was behind a terrorist attack until chris stephenson three other americans. who is responsible? hillary clinton, guilty of environmentally land slaughter, she should not be concerned about whether she goes to the white house but the big house. unfortunately we have an attorney general who would never prosecute anyone for these violations because he is also a criminal and guilty of involuntary manslaughter as it turns out, green let the fast and furious program, turns out nobody sensed running guns to mexican drug cartels, no tags on them or monitors on these guns and when you run guns to mexican drug cartels the only place it shows up is backtrack them is a
crime scene explicitly known. and that might think that is reckless a result in homicide or killing border control agents and the head of the doj, and involved in this you are probably fine. nobody is responsible for fast and furious going to jail, no one has been fired. how about violation of internal revenue laws? the irs would crackdown, we would be put in jail, that is violation of the internal revenue code itself, 7212. it is also a violation for politicians and politically motivated bureaucrats, it prohibits bureaucrats from getting involved in political situations and targeting political opponents, violation of law. >> "in depth" continues on
booktv. here at our table, april ryan, author of the presidency in black and white, american urban radio and professor of princeton university, eddie glaude inflatable democracy in black, david maraniss has written 11 books, one of them barack obama, the story. let me begin with you. the tone and tenor that barack obama has faced, we heard them a moment ago. >> they don't function like loyal opposition over the last eight years more committed to their ideological positions and prophecies of democracy. >> more than george w. bush or bill clinton or ronald reagan? >> appointing as judges and in some ways implemented policy. we can push this back to the contract with america or farther
than that but what we are witnessing now is the apex of general tenor where it is broken for support. and exaggeration of the right at the heart of the meltdown. >> what bill clinton faced starting with richard nixon during watergate, >> the country faces that. and and what everyone proposes, richard nixon was impeached and resigned from office because unconstitutional actions, president clinton was impeached
and saved from office for largely political reasons. and that is where i start the modern trend. and the extra added issue of race and the way he and his family just unbelievably characterized is beyond the pale of anything. >> if you were michelle malkin, what is going to your mind? >> the crux of why you spy this way. i going to tell you why i say that, it is so embedded, we have never seen any presidents, i have cover the last we
presidents, or say anything about them the way they have done against barack obama time barack obama became president, rush limbaugh said i want to see him fail. >> he wants to see the policies fail. >> afterwards he backed up and said that, i want to see him fail. i have a tape of that and this wonderful platform of c-span. i am not saying anyone who does not like president obama's policies. it is not necessarily about that, and we have seen called before. and race and politics following, the best of black men was polished president of the united
states. >> a full address at c-span.org. >> the challenges we face are real, serious and many. they do not happened that easily. or a short span of time. know this, america, they will be met. on this day we gather because we have chosen hope over fear. unity of purpose over conflict and disorder. on this day we come to proclaim an end to the petty grievances and false promises, recrimination and dogmas far too long that strangled our politics. we remain a young nation. in the words of scripture the
time has come to set aside childish things. the time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit, choose our better history, carry further word the noble idea passed from generation to generation, the god-given promise that all are equal, all are free and all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness. [applause] >> as you hear those words you can hear the echo of what he spoke in boston of 2004 and later this month he will deliver an address in chicago looking back at his eight years and wondering if we will hear more of what we heard during his inaugural address. >> it will always be -- even as the world shifted around, i was there that day at the first inaugural address and i remember
the contrast between the incredible obedience of the crowd, people never going to an inauguration before, thousands of african-americans disenfranchised in some way, incredible joy of the crowds and the prospect of his speech that echoes the larger sensibility. also fairly bleak speech because he was facing a really tough position with the nation's economy. it is going to be difficult. i was struck by the difference between that rhetoric and the feelings of the crowd. >> our minds are open at 202-748-8200 in the eastern half of the country. those in the mountain and pacific kind of, 200-748-8201, the first sunday of every month on c-span2, "in depth". we are looking at president barack obama, his legacy as he
prepares to leave office. james from sandy, illinois. >> caller: i would like to take the conversation in a different erection, talk about why the american people are so frustrated by the election of barack obama and their disappointment in what he has managed to accomplish. i think after giving this considerable thought it has to do with the way we elect local officials, we actually need a constitutional amendment to the united states constitution to make sure 50 individual countries, 50 united states so we have a uniform way of electing our local officials who by the way have most of the control over what happens in our country, not the president. everyone who has been calling in critical of obama blames everything on him. i watch c-span every day and i
watch congressman cut job bills and say we can't have infrastructure build just did defeat him. >> that would do away with what april ryan was talking about in alexander hamilton on the issue of states rights, that would give federalism on the state level. >> if we continue in the direction we are going we are going to become a dictatorship because basically the power isn't the president. it is with the house of representatives and the senate. it is unconstitutional. there are so many, i have written about this because i am so frustrated. i am one of these people, 73 years old, ready to stop voting which i voted since i was old enough to vote because i have seen local republican representatives in my district prevent another man from running against him by changing local election laws to increase the number of people that have to sign up petition.
this is wrong. this is not democratic. >> thank you for the call. >> a couple points there. our constitution, wonderful founding fathers, the constitution, and didn't have in mind social media. that is one thing. how do you do it and will people be ready to change history? i believe we are at a point -- i understand what she is saying about a dictatorship which we are at a point where as people we are looking at personalities instead of issues. it is not fair. we had a charismatic president, one of the greatest or raiders, barack obama and william jefferson clinton, you had people comparing hillary clinton to both of them and that is unfair but she is her own person. you have on the other side donald trump who is a billionaire and who knows how to
grab you. this is the reality tv show to focus on issues that going back to the people, the people can make a difference and i still believe that and activism is the key and i don't believe we should have 50 countries, the united states coming together. it all starts at the local level. you have to ignite a fire and those like-minded like you to make the change you want to see happen. we have seen it happen in history and we have been lulled to a sense of complacency, let them deal with it. we have to be active and engage and make change for ourselves. >> this is an important part of the caller, my colleagues have argued we are no longer a democracy, we are in oligarchy. in response barack obama's election in 2012 historic in the
sense that he won the presidency with 38% of white people voting and in some ways reflective of the demographic shift, the demographic shifts that have begun and have an impact on politics and to the extent that is true some people went in full panic mode, you can actually win without the majority of white people voting for you and what did we see in response even before that? voter id law, voter suppression. there is a reason wisconsin looks the way it looks in terms of voter id law. a reason north carolina looks the way it looked with voter suppression, texas although it was struck down, we saw this reaction and we see the results of what the caller is describing in north carolina where you basically had an effective coup where the democratic governor, democratic candidate won the governor's seat of the republican legislature decided to strip governor of most of its
power. what you saw, activists on the ground doing the work to reclaim the state but we see undemocratic forces in north carolina and around the country, to pursue their own interests. >> you forgot alabama and the government there actually took many of the motor vehicle administration office, particularly urban areas closed them and the department of transportation is working with them so they will reopen and fix the problem. what happened with voting rights in the 1960s. >> even deeper, the voter suppression, voting rights act, redistricting and realignment. i am from wisconsin, legislature
is republican dominated and more people vote for democratic candidates that republican antedates because of gerrymandering. that is structural and political at a deeper level. >> you quote barack obama, his speech on the 50th anniversary of the march on washington, he said, quote, if we are honest with ourselves we will admit there are times some of us claiming to push for change lost our way including, he pointeded out the 1960s. how does that apply to this? >> the context of that quote, i was in dc, i threw my shoe at it, i was really angry because the way in which he was narrating fit perfectly with the neocon, black freedom struggle begins with the brown versus board of education, apex in 1963 with i have a dream and
everything, the wheels fall off, there's a moment in which you describe that as people invoking victimization, trying to reward laziness and the like so he narrates the black freedom struggle in that moment which is to my mind insidious in its effect but i think the broader point, the way we tell the story of american politics, the way we tell the story of american politics, closing down space, if you tell a story in which politics is simply back room deals where folks are hashing it out in smoke-filled rooms you got to get republican operatives and elected officials or democratic operatives or democratic elected officials trying to secure power irrespective of that but if you
form and empower every day people, and different understanding of american politics. >> i want to put that into a concrete level in detroit. some conservatives argue detroit's decline began with the riots a rebellion of 1967 everything fell apart and the corruption of certain mayors after that and large pensions. if you study detroit you see the seeds of its decline were structural and had to do with urban renewal, had to do with what was happening in detroit and had to do it in a company town. there is always a tendency to put the blame on rioters or black power or whatever and
there were structural problems that are much more important. >> one other quote that ties into this, frequently on this network, in the book, presidency of black and white and he said the following, just as barack obama is our color does not mean he is our kind. >> to have us:-)'s state of the union and it was a split screen, he was interviewing reverend l sharpton who made that statement. there was a split screen, the same day barack obama announced he was going to run for president of the united states. it is interesting reverend our sharpton said that then because the relationship between both of them flourished and they are very close. between rivendell sharpton and president obama that wasn't there prior, reverend l sharpton wanted to make sure when he made
that statement the black community was covered. not only that but you have to remember barack obama was an outsider. people didn't like it, members of the black caucus, you stay, not your time yet. people that know him needed to find out who he was and looking back, reverend our sharpton stayed away from making endorsement in iowa, hillary clinton or barack obama and that played into the relationship with they both shared and he would have said something for hillary and it would be over for him. >> go ahead, in michigan. >> caller: happy new year. thank goodness for april on your
show because she is right on on so many things. david maraniss, i was born and bred in detroit and i was here at the time of the riots which you are right in some ways but you are also wrong. what it is, let's go back before those riots and go back even to world war ii, i am 79 years old and i am a child of that war. let me say this. people let barack obama down. people let democracy down because of lack of civic engagement, lack of voting, lack of keeping themselves informed. maybe because i am a child of
that second world war, my family always understood what happened and i have voted every time i was eligible to vote when i was eligible to vote when i was 21 years old and that was for eisenhower. my father was for him and my father was from that war but let's go to this business of what has happened now in our time. black folk not being engaged. they haven't been engaged because they haven't had the civic education and they don't -- it doesn't need to come from school, they need to understand
who they are voting for. >> i want to give david maraniss a chance to respond. thank you for the call for michigan. >> appreciate your comments blues not clear what i said was wrong. she didn't say why. i don't know how to respond to something when i am not sure what the critique is. i will just appreciate her comment and leave it at that. >> give me that quote about the riots in the last segment, back to what she said. basically something about how we do the riot act, remember what were you going to say? when doctor king died, there were in our own community, it was self-defeating it was self-defeating. we didn't go into the rich and not saying we shouldn't riot but
i am from baltimore, maryland. freddie gray arrived places i used to frequent. i remember cvs, all the people in that community, very low income, they have to go a long distance to find medication. congressman elijah cummings lives in that community and a couple miles down, that was impacted and self-defeating because we are upset and because of that we have activism, black lives matter, run for mayor. we need to understand everyone has a right to express, not that way but express and try to make a difference and so any of us feel we don't have a voice. >> one thing to talk about the impact of urban values on the
communities, it harms our community but it is wrong to claim nothing politically follows that. it is wrong to say nothing follows policywise, nothing follows rebellion heard across country to the motor assassination of doctor king. we saw policy initiatives in response to that and the ways in which government tried to respond to that. understanding rebellions are the cries of the worthless and other political pathways that are not available so this is what happens so to render them as apolitical or irrational acts is in some ways to evade what history told us. what barack obama was doing in
that moment was narrowing the range of what constitutes legitimate forms of political dissent. what happened over the last decade or even longer is the nature of american politics has become so narrow. walter mondale was a radical. can you imagine hearing the tale of two cities speech in today's political speech by mario cuomo? what constitutes legitimate forms of dissent has become narrow to whether you are in the tradition of martin luther king or marching in some ways behind some closed room. what we know about the addition which >> the black republican community at the table.
i'm going to quote shirley chisholm, the first to run for president, i believe in their own way, that is what those the blood trying to do when they riot and not justified at all because it is a self-defeating issue. the bottom line is we are not at the table. >> that is a tweet at booktv, you are making me try today covering our gracious and intelligent president. what will we ever do now? let's go to angelina joining us from colorado? >> thank you for having me. i will be quick in changing the topic. my mother is mexican, my father is black and my grandfather came from mexico. one thing important to me that we need to address is the
lottery system the united states has. my father, my grandfather was not a legal mexican. he was brought through, won the lottery at 13 years old to be in texas. my family was migrant workers which i married a caucasian man in the medical. i am a minority in my department meeting i am the only one. i want to address cultural sensitivity because to me it is important to remember we as americans were given the opportunity to come here through the government's lottery system on my grandfather's side and i
wonder, i have to allow people in the medical field, respect their cultures, but mine isn't respected. if i show my assertiveness it is posturing, tatian, these types of things. i would like the panel to help me understand how to address these issues especially in the medical field. they have two men, two boys of my own, their culture is not respected and i'm trying to bring this circle. as african-american boys they can't do this without being stereotyped. >> i will turn to april ryan because you write about this in your book. >> assimilation. i talk about that, a lot of voices on assimilation you talk about assimilate, i am a black woman, been here 20 years, it is not but one of the pieces that helps me do my job, i am
apologetically real about where i have been in washington and at issue is we hear a lot of in the journalism field, in the newsrooms, and are dominantly african americans, find out about issues in mainstream a media but they are not forced to do things about issues and that assumption to a certain extent. it is real and we have to walk in as we are and walking your troop. understand the dynamic of where you are and who you are but who i am, what i am is in these pages, 20 years i have been here and asking president questions. when i look at the president of
the united states and asking the question i talked to members of the congressional black caucus, i focus mostly on minority urban american. >> let me ask about syria and whether that is a stain on the obama presidency? >> it is a paradoxical stain on the obama presidency because you have not just obama but secretary -- the us ambassador to the united nations, builder career on trying to prevent genocide. and the united states has not been able to prevent genocide in syria or the murder of thousands of people. it is much easier to criticize
syria. >> he did say the red line if you cross it and syria crossed the red line. >> absolutely. i'm not defending president obama on that statement or whether he should have said it in the first place because, much more of a flexible person, that is not his nature. i don't have anything profound to say and i don't think anybody does. it is a very sad aspect of the modern world and everything that could go wrong went wrong in syria and you have a situation where among the many mistakes president obama might have made, dominant player is russia. change that may be the larger
issue. the russian president. the prime minister, angela merkel, checkered relationship, with the us and germany. world leaders, viewed his presidency. >> not necessarily by the leaders, the strongest alliance is with angela merkel, came out of different political perspectives, which is attempting to be rational on immigration, and dealing with the rest of the world, people year and for strength in foreign-policy. that is a natural inclination. it is not necessarily a week
point, the fact that he doesn't always have strength is not always a weakness but appears to be. >> you are not in your head. >> to think about how president obama figured himself on the international scene, the overreach of george w. bush, with regards to these questions. to recruit america's reputation on the international stage after the disasters of the bush years, might become an interesting way of measuring the success or failure of obama's foreign-policy. when people like myself and others get particulars, drone policy, and exercise of soft power and hard power driven by
ideological commitments across the bush administration opening up for that. the last state of the union posting thousands, the understanding of the use of hard power and soft power. and the military was the most powerful in the world. and the soft power is cuba. between, he makes a comment about civility and language and the like, when chastising donald trump, at the moment making the isis rating houses across the border. that speech gives us an indication of the ideological frame of obama's foreign-policy.
>> joe from venice, california, you are next. change the many discussions i have heard on programs such as this i almost never heard my following points and that is, i think the white part of our nation has gone as far as it can go in our racial feelings toward blacks. look at our society. the number of black respected police chiefs we have, judges, news anchors, commentators, two or three on this panel, the number of black politicians is now asked for their opinions, number of interracial couples we see on the streets. one of your call ins was such. the issue. i have been writing this hurriedly and i'm losing some of it. we see a host of signs now of
how black people are being accepted as equals. imagined 50 years ago none of this would be happening. we have come and awfully long way. >> and still have a long way to go. i hear you, the picture is nice. we have reached the highest level. the white house, you can't get any higher but we still have a problem in the middle and i will say this. i hear you but when you say white america has gone as far as it can go, what was it you said about accepting -- know you haven't. i say that without politics, when you look at the facts and you still see african americans disproportionately with numbers in almost every category, that is the problem. >> in 2008, one of the most
significant speeches of the campaign in 2008 in philadelphia, the constitution center addressed the issue of race relations in america, senator barack obama. >> i am a son of a black man can you, white woman from kansas. i was raised with the help of a white grandfather who survived the depression and served in the army during world war ii, and on a bomber assembly line at fort leavenworth overseas. i have gone to the best schools in america and lived in one of the nation's poorest nations, married to a black american carrying in her the blood of slaves and slave owners we pass on to our precious daughters. i have brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, uncles and cousins of every race and every hue scattered across three continents. as long as i live i will never forget that in no other country
on earth is my story even possible. it is a story that hasn't made me the most conventional of candidates but it is a story that is seared into my genetic makeup. the idea that this nation is more than the sum of its parts. out of many we are truly one. >> march 2008 the national constitution center during the height of the primary campaign challenged by hillary clinton as the author of the book democracy in black, ray still enslaves the american soul, your response? and what you heard from the caller earlier. >> that speech was important a number of ways. i don't think he could have won if he hadn't given that speech.
reverend jeremiah wright issue put the campaign on the edge. if he hadn't come out and struck the balance in that speech, the campaign was doomed. >> his advisers said he wanted to give the speech even earlier, jeremiah wright propelled him to give that speech at that is good information to have because that the heart of the speech the core of the speech is the way he approaches the issue. there is a kind of degree of equivalence that is problematic in the sense that he equates or places on the same level white resentment with black anger. white resentment at the changing nature of society, that society is becoming more equal, folks are angry because they are losing jobs to these folks
locked out, that anger is equated with black people who are angry because the child has been murdered by police officer black people locked out who can't go to bed's drive in or jumps in a pool and everybody gets out and drain the water. my four other colleagues couldn't grow up because in mississippi -- somehow this is equivalent. there's always this language of equivalency, white resentment grew up over here. whenever you make that, draw that line it becomes very difficult to address the deep structural inequality that defines the country. >> you just said that speaks to his campaign. it made sense. not sure it was completely equivalent but that equivalency, saving the campaign talking to white voters, you have to put it
in that context. >> i called him the interpreter in chief. there was a moment president obama talked about race, he rarely talks to black america. always some ways trying to convince white america. quoting james baldwin, paraphrasing it. one of the most exhaustive things that we are constantly having to convince white people what is happening. >> you are preaching to the choir or preaching to people who are not in the choir. >> a way of looking at what he is doing, another perspective. >> i don't think he convinced that because jeremiah wright was his close friend, mentor, you still have people talking about that influence is the
contradiction there. i don't know. >> part of what i insist on in democracy in black, until we confront without all the sweet talk, there is animated value, and the belief animates our social practice, political practice it is evidenced in our habits not just -- until fundamentally address that we will find ourselves, america is like a monstrous miserable shell, the same old song and dance each we have been the show for so long we do it in isolation. >> any candidate could address that. >> yes we do. i have to believe it.
constraints determine my vision. >> quick question, quick answer. >> baldwin to the complete -- when? >> how long does it take? >> it takes a while. how it moves. >> your book from idea to publication. >> 17 years it came at the right time, the first black president and this one, the second one. >> from idea to publication. >> my larger take three or four years. >> why the book on days i was born in detroit. it was inspired by a commercial on television, super bowl mmxi,
driving through the streets of detroit, the joe louis fist, the murals. >> the chrysler commercial and i teared up watching it. >> that commercial worked. >> did not buy a chrysler but wanted to write about this. >> once in a great city, detroit story, been joining us next, 25 minutes left focusing on the obama legacy, three authors, three hours this sunday. go ahead, thank you for waiting. >> i want to point out something obvious is one half of albrittons paid for by medicaid so i felt obama was disingenuous with his affordable care act in that he never addressed the reality that to put these additional people on the medical plans it would require other people to give up some of their
medical care or pay higher premiums. he did that because he doesn't -- i would like to add that if he had been honest with the american public and instance of his mother not getting medical care for cancer, then she could have gotten the plan passed and americans would have accepted it and i believe it at that. >> you are teeing of a debate we will see in washington in the year ahead. >> when it comes to the affordable care act no question it needs to be tweaked. i'm not going to say he did this knowingly but there are pieces that had to go through that they did like and they have to tweak it but at the same time moving forward how will it be tweaked? it is not about repealing get but defunding it. who wants to be the person who kicks 20 million people off?
vest majority of people say there are problems but i'm glad i have health insurance with you can have your kids on until age 26, it covers preexisting conditions, you cannot be discriminated against if you have a condition, there are pieces of it, components that are great particularly for low income people who need help but at same time needs to be tweaked but we will see how it moves forward in the next year. >> fund the parts that are popular. the only clean way to do it is universal healthcare which is not going to happen in the united states. anything below that is going to be complicated and a lot of problems come you can't just tweak them. >> needs to be clear how disingenuous the critique is. some of us want single-payer, some want the public option.
the public -- from massachusetts. the ideal -- the idea of republicans being so offended by this points to the hypocrisy and manufactured outrage. >> first time he has supported something. >> very critical of that which change never really used the white house the way he should have, the way clinton or lbj would bringing his critics down to 1600 pennsylvania avenue. with that of been a different entity effectively use the vice president? >> joe biden was very effective, much better at that part of the transaction of politics or personal politics, president obama, in terms of results. bill clinton didn't get any health care bills passed, he lost, obama won.
why did that happen? you could critique president obama's personality for not wanting terms, that is not him. you can't make somebody be something they won't be but the extent to which he was able to accomplish things despite that is rather extraordinary. >> teresa, welcome to booktv. >> my son and i are democrats in idaho. i want to take you off speaker. i would have been added the third time. earlier in the conversation a few things, frank dodd act, the bank bailouts, car bailouts, one thing i never heard pointeded
out, 2008, i was diagnosed with breast cancer and emphysema, within a week of each other. i had idaho medicaid and my transit -- cancer treatments, whatever you want to call it, healthcare, obamacare, came in, saving my life. i went to the er and this starts tomorrow. i worked for a credit card company and saw that they could do to people before the frank dodd act. a lot of good things to protect consumers, not to high interest rates. in the midst of all this i had to declare bankruptcy to save my childhood home. because of the bank bailouts i
don't know if obama did it, don't think it was republicans. i got a home loan modification so i can keep my house. he did those things for me, didn't do everything he said he wanted to. sometimes i was disappointed that he had to play politics. >> thanks for sharing the story. a final point? >> april -- i do appreciate it. he is the most beloved president ever. >> interesting dichotomy, most loved and hated. >> don't know about ever but up to now of the 44, what may be the 45th might be give them a
run for his money. be change when she talked about the next thing which preventative care is another piece, preventative matters. i heard someone going through real-life issues and she is judging him as someone who has helped her. >> there are real-life consequences, and when people argue there is no difference between two parties, millions of people, politics make a difference. >> giving full retribution to martin luther king and paraphrasing what he said, will barack obama be judged by the color of his skin or the content
of his presidency? >> it is not either/or. it is both. i don't think in this case the color of his skin is incidental in terms of american politics and american history it is much deeper than that even though policy defines the president, the color of his skin find him in a huge way. >> i agree with david. race and politics will always follow him. he is the first black president out of all those white faces. he will now go down in history as one of our nation's fathers and a lot of people don't like that. they do that coming in ny they were very insular has to who they allow is what critics they allow in. they are very concerned how he
is perceived and how his legacy will carry. >> i hope we reach a point in history where we can judge his presidency apart from whether he is the first black president but they are inextricably linked. he has made history. for black america we have to ask ourselves the question whether or not the fact we had a black person in the white house has fundamentally changed the circumstances. >> will we have another in your lifetime? >> i am sure we will. the question will that fact change condition of the most vulnerable in the community? >> the question makes me feel too old. >> joan in tennessee. welcome to booktv. >> good morning.
i would like to say to april that i am a baltimoreian, born and raised. mostly below north avenue and she understands demarcation which >> explained to those who have not been to baltimore. >> in the northern area where one of the rides happen, cvs was on fire and the police, the meeting of the police that night every night where the time arrived. >> continue. >> so many ing i want to say but going to the recent riots i was there for the earlier riots, i watched all the time, that line of love of those older black men of the community, replaced their
bodies physically between the protesters and the police. don't know if you remember that but the news media did not cover that and that was something positive. something black people seldom get. seldom any differentiation between or among black people. they say people from countries, america is at war with, bring them into this country and differentiate between different types that come in. all mexicans are not racists. all people from arab countries are not terrorists. you saw them in differentiation between or among black people. 99% of black people can be described the same way as white,
god-fearing, hard-working, law-abiding, red-blooded americans but you don't hear that. what i would like to see is us black people, first of all stop to ourselves as black. what are the blacks? whites are always white people, white people, they emphasized that. so, you know, i understand being in the position black people are in you kind of acquiesced to the dominant situation. part of that is for survival. >> baltimore, nashville. >> absolutely right. are all one people, just different pigmentation. the problem is we are viewed differently going back to what we said again, we were brought
to this country, our ancestors, we are not afforded the same first-class status, first-class living situations and still in a situation even though we are all the same and focusing on what affects us in our community, we still have issues where people in the african-american community are living in substandard homes, going to baltimore, a spotlight on the issue of trade, that was taken out of the city and any middle-income jobs were not, people who didn't have college these, who graduated college and going to manufacturing at work so we are like anyone else but the problem is a black issue is always looked over. >> david maraniss, you talk in
your book about a floorboard, explain the story. >> that was his car in chicago. he took michelle on a first date in that car. going up to harvard as well. >> do you think the presidency changed him in terms of how he viewed his own upbringing? >> the presidency will change anyone enormously. the rest of their life, like a great athlete after -- what is the rest of their life? it changes enormously. you continue to have the same larger construct of who he is. i don't think that will change. i am more superficial, his life
will be forever changed. the richest contract for his memoir. >> what will here in? >> 15 to 20 million. >> did he change the presidency? >> not at all. operated within it. takes back to nixon. >> tried to the place of congress. in some ways because of who he is, the vitriol directed towards him the office has been tarnished not because of barack obama but because of the vitriol directed toward them. and those moments, used them as
another point. it is not changed fundamentally for the better, and associated with his presence in the white house and the office has been diminished. >> it is so much bigger than barack obama. he is reacting to it. >> did he enjoy the presidency? >> many aspects he did. he found what he wanted. i keep thinking in my heart this is what he was destined to do it he felt that destiny and he enjoyed it. a morbid view of him, the body watch, he hated the body watch
but beyond that, the governing to help people. he enjoyed that, going back to aca talking about his mother and remembering how she had to deal with her medical bills and cancer issues, the community organizer even though he could not college by name, he still thought he was helping and i believe though the situation where he did not like seeing it on a daily basis or when it came up he felt he added to the conversation and discourse about issues happening in black communities especially the issue of dealing with it for many years. >> bethlehem, georgia, you are next. >> i would like to hear your
panel's opinion or two subjects, both of these have to do with my opinion, democrats have been unable to two wishes that might have shaped support for both obama and the black population. i'm an elderly white woman old enough to remember denzil was robbed of an academy award. that perspective, your topic in my worldview like everyone -- i wonder if you think the democrats lost control of the election narrative on these topics, number one, first, there is no dispute that blacks and democrats expressed frustration about the injustice of recent police shootings and the obvious discrimination, the most deadly use of a justified horse. where was the topic of judicial reform during this campaign? if we can't rest assured, white
or black the blatant overuse of force is going to be prosecuted i promise you that even i am as wary as he says most blacks feel. this is a threat that has to be corrected. second issue, the media and democrats have failed miserably at responding to the frustration and criticism of obama by not reminding and teaching that without congress this president has been unjustly forded through his entire term in office and people need to know where to place the blame for lack of action on any of obama's initiatives, people themselves are at fault for electing others that are against their own interests. >> two big issues, race and congress. >> when it comes to congress from the time he came in, with
john maynard trying to work things out, never happened and if you say something long enough people will be leave it at this man has been hitting his head against the wall trying to come to common ground and people believe he doesn't reach out. like every other president in this nation he tried to unify both sides of the isle. it didn't work. the blame should be placed specifically where we heard and talked about before, mitch mcconnell, that never changed, it never changed and look at what happened, he could not get merrick garland a date for any kind of hearing. there was an obstruction by the republican party. they did not want to allow him
anymore victories, plain and simple, say what you want to say, i cover it every day, calling it like i see it. be change i will challenge, i don't think general consensus that policing in relation to black people is unjust. the data points are clear in terms of breakdown in terms of response to mike brown, freddie gray, a range of other things, that is not clear. we actually see more of a relational divide for house people see policing in the country and we can see the way the clinton campaign and dnc mobilized by looking at the democratic convention. of his come on and they have police chiefs come on because they were trying to split the difference between the base and
appealing to republicans. the second point is it seems to me the clinton campaign and the dnc spent a lot of time trying to convince moderate republicans they should vote for democrats and by those she made a move early on in the campaign where she distanced republicans from donald trump and gave them the space to exist and run while he was doing what he was doing. >> the caller talked about the media working for legacy publication in the washington post. >> i refuse to do that. >> an institution. absolutely. my question is how did barack obama embrace social media and how he dealt with traditional media like the washington post q
>> he confirmed any media other this particularly the printed press, new york times and washington posts the last ones to get it. introduced to other places than that and it started in his campaign with a practical attitude, how you reach voters these days so just change the presidency but the first president to use social media in effective ways. >> on my in trouble that i use the word legacy? a few minutes left. we will ask you to complete this sentence was the obama legacy is what? time for one more call from oakville, washington, please be brief. >> i would like to thank president obama and his wife, the first lady, working with healthy food then children school, i am a landowner in
washington states, i hope president trump opens the new superrail for the upcoming president to create jobs, people get well-paying jobs on the railroad, they have railroads. >> thanks, infrastructure was something barack obama talked about. not a lot happened that donald trump is talking about it. >> we are a nation of tumbling bridges, crumbling roads that needs to be dealt with and he dealt with that early on, had a little stimulus piece for that but to look at the racial breakdown of those who are the construction, more hispanic than african-american if you are talking about the economy for those groups. we are a nation that is crumbling and the transportation secretary talks about it and they were trying to -- there is a problem.
>> the infrastructure, how effective it is is one thing but in a larger sense the china deal. any part of the large infrastructure plan, trump did. >> in our meaning two or three minutes, eddie glaude, the obama legacy after eight years in the white house is what? >> the best example tragedy that is american history. >> because? >> race continues to hunt every aspect of this fragile democracy. >> april ryan. >> the faith and substance of america that we don't always went to see. >> because? >> when it comes to issues of race we tend to push it away and say i am not going you with that but he and who he is, the vision
he climbed, he puts a spotlight by being there, put a spotlight on the ills in the community. >> i will stay away from arguments about policy which are a lot of different names and say i think he left a legacy of dignity and intelligence. >> your next book is what? >> my next book is a book about the house un-american activities committee, various people who encountered one another there. >> mine is james baldwin. >> we know your next book is already out, race in black and white. >> i have a feeling it might be. i am covering it. >> have you thought of the title? >> black and white.
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