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indirect jobs created. however, those will also be temporary. wolf? >> good reporting, rene marsh, thank you very much. that's it for me. thanks for watching. "erin burnett out front" starts right now. "out front" next, the breaking news, president trump signing a new executive order tonight. he says he's keeping out terrorists but is it a muslim ban? and our special series live from the border tonight. inside the tunnels where people and drugs are smuggled into the u.s. will trump's wall stop it? and who is greg phillips and why is the president relying on him? let's go "out front." good evening. i'm erin burnett. "out front" tonight, the breaking news, extreme vetting. president donald trump moments ago signing an executive order that would temporarily ban refugees from seven muslim majority countries.
this is according to drafts cnn has obtained. >> i'm establishing new vetting measures to keep radical islamic terrorists out of the united states of america. we don't want them here. >> let's be clear, this order appears to be directed at muslims. trump himself said he would prioritize christian refugees gaining entry in an interview today. >> as it relates to persecuted christians, do you see them as kind of a priority here? >> yes. >> you do. >> they've been horribly treated. do you know if you were a christian in syria it was impossible, at least very tough to get into the united states. if you were a muslim you could come in. and i thought it was very, very unfair. so we are going to help them. >> moments ago the senate majority leader chuck schumer reacting angrily in this statement. "tears are running down the cheeks of the statue of liberty
tonight. this is one of the backward and nasty executive orders the president has issued." also today thousands of anti-abortion protesters gathered in washington for the annual march for life. mike pence told the crowd the president would announce a supreme court nominee soon and trump hinted strongly at the person he's choosing. >> the person i pick will be a big, big -- i think people are going to love it. i think evangelicals, christians will love my pick. and we'll be represented very fairly. >> jeff zeleny begins our coverage tonight out front at the white house. trump signing a flurry of executive orders this week, up to 14, but these on immigration, do they really have teeth? >> reporter: indeed they do. the ones that he signed late today, they do sort of play out exactly what he talked about in the campaign, extreme vetting. it should come as no surprise, but they are going at the heart
of refugees coming here to the country, particularly syrian refugees. the white house just moments ago actually released some of these orders. we are looking through them right now. but they do specifically focus muslim majority countries. this is all coming on a day when here at the white house he opened his doors for the first time to a foreign leader. >> i'm not as fresh as you might think. >> reporter: president trump welcomed british prime minister theresa may to the white house pledging to uphold the special relationship with the you can you can you c united kingdom. >> great days lie ahead for our two peoples and our two countries. >> reporter: the world was watching for the first meeting with the foreign leader. yet it was the more challenging diplomatic test he's facing with mexico and russia that took center stage, the president taking steps to cool an escalating standoff with mexico. he spoke on the phone for nearly an hour today with mexican president enrique pena nieto, who cancelled a trip to the u.s. over trump's demand that mexico
pay for a border wall between the two countries. >> i have great respect for mexico. i love the mexican people. >> reporter: yet he stood his ground, insisting mexico would one way or the other pay billions. >> as you know, mexico with the united states has outnegotiated us and beat us to a pulp through our past leaders. they've made us look foolish. the united states cannot continue to lose vast amounts of business, vast amounts of companies and millions and millions of people losing their jobs. that won't happen with me. we're no longer going to be the country that doesn't know what it's doing. >> reporter: a statement from the mexican government said the presidents also agreed at this point not to speak publicly about this controversial issue. that line does not appear in the white house statement about the call. to pay for the wall the president said one idea is a 20% tax on imports from mexico. controversial among republicans. he told the christian broadcasting network today he
could do it without congress. something congress is likely to take issue with. >> it's something i have the right to do, something i can impose if i want. we are getting along actually very well with the mexican government. we'll see what happens. >> reporter: a week into his presidency, he said it's too early to say whether he will lift sanctions imposed by president obama against russian president vladimir putin. he's set to talk with putin by phone on saturday. after being criticized for his praise of the russian leader, mr. trump took a more measured approach today. >> how the relationship works out i won't be able to tell you that later. i've had many times where i'd thought i'd get along with people and i don't like them at al all. and i've had some i didn't think i would have much of a relationship and it turned out to be much of a relationship. >> reporter: the president said he believes waterboarding and other forms of torture work but would follow the lead of james
mattis, a retired general, who opposes such extreme measures. >> i don't necessarily agree, but i will tell you that he will override because i'm giving him that power. >> reporter: as we have it on the air here, we've been looking through those orders that the white house just leased and it is exactly as we thought it would be. it is a ban on syrian refugees and a suspension of the other visa programs here. now, this is something that he campaigned on but something that is very controversial. but it's also something that the president has the executive authority to do. this does not require the action of congress. that does not mean it's going to stir controversy on both side of the aisle, erin. it indeed is. >> thank you very much, jeff zeleny. looks like a 90-day suspension for all visas as we said from those seven majority muslim countries. i want to play more of what president trump said today on this issue of halting refugees, explaining why he'll give christian refugees a priority.
>> they've been horribly treated. do you know if you were a christian in syria, it was impossible, very, very -- at least very, very tough to get into the united states. if you were a muslim you could come in. but if you were a christian it was almost impossible. and the reason that was so unfair is that everybody was persecuted, in all fairness, but they were chopping off the heads of everybody, but more so the christians. and i thought it was very, very unfair. so we are going to help them. >> jim sciutto is out front. obviously he's saying muslims were permitted entry, christians were not. is that true? >> no, it's not. look at the numbers. refugees coming to the u.s. from all over the world, muslim versus christian, this in 2016, so in 2016 the numbers are about even, 38,901 muslim, 37,521 christian. this is from around the world. typically we're told by pew
research that the there are far more christians than muslims. this year the number of muslims ticked up because you had so many leaving syria and the vast majority of refugees leaving syria are muslim. specifically syria, the percentage of religions coming out of there and into the u.s. 99% muslim, less than 1% christian. to be clear, the population of syria sl almost -- not exclusively but the vast majority of people are muslim. latest numbers we have, 93% of the population is muslim, 5% christian. i should note that in recent years many of the christians have fled that country because of the dangers that donald trump is talking about. and most of them are concentrated around the damascus area. so donald trump is implying actually more than implying, saying in a statement the u.s. made it more difficult for christians to come in than muslims. the fact is the u.s. does not look at religion, does not give christian or muslim a benefit.
it looks at the status of the refugee. the reason you have more muslim refugees coming from syria is there are more muslim refugees trying to flee syria, not because the u.s. has imposed some sort of advantage on muslim versus christian. >> jim sciutto, thank you very much. laying out those facts there. democratic senator jeff merkley sits in the senate foreign relations committee among others. you heard president trump say he will give priority to christian refugees. what do you think of that? >> i think it goes against the fundamental nature of freedom of religion in our country. it's a foundation we don't discriminate on the basis of religion. when it comes to refugee, chiselled into the foundation of the base of the statue of liberty, it says give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the oppressed and afflicted of the world, not those of one
religion or another. i'm particularly concerned about the second half of his order addressing basically being a muslim registration operation. >> so i want to ask you about that. you're talking about a muslim registry. we have the order now so it would be a temporary ban on visas from a group of muslim majority countries. when he signed this executive order earlier tonight he spoke about what he wanted to accomplish. >> i'm establishing new vetting measures to keep radical islamic terrorists out of the united states of america. we don't want them here. >> we know the san bernardino attacks were carried out by a woman who had come to the united states from pakistan. better vetting may have stopped her. she and her husband killed 14 innocent people. isn't trump right to establish new vetting procedures? >> we had this model in place and it didn't produce a single
prosecution because those who would do us harm are going to circumvent that basic process. but what this does do is it feeds right into the isis message to recruit terrorists, which is that america is conducting a war on islam. so we've had this before. it didn't work, and in fact it caused a lot of hatred towards the united states, feeds into isis' rhetoric, and that makes us less safe rather than more safe. >> when you look just at that case as an example, they didn't check social media, didn't do certain things. i think we could all look and say we wish they had. maybe you're saying extreme vetting wouldn't accomplish that, but is he wrong to say that those processes need to be looked at? >> listen, the -- we had this exact model in place. it didn't catch the situation that occurred in california. it didn't catch anyone, not one, but it did feed a lot of the
hatred of folks who felt the united states was treating muslims as second-class citizens both inside of our country and treating muslims poorly around the world. and so if you want to add to the risk to the united states, this is a good strategy. if you want the united states to be safe, absolutely, vet our folks coming into this country. we do it. but don't do it on a religious basis. >> so today the president, in addition to those orders he signed today, haeld press conference with the british prime minister. he talked about the weight of the office and how it has turned him towards god. this was in an interview with the christian broadcasting network. >> i've always felt the need to pray, and you know that, so i would say that the office is so powerful that you need god even more because your decisions are no longer, gee, i'm going to
build a building in new york or i'm going to do -- these are questions of massive life and death. there's almost not a decision that you make when you're sitting in this position that isn't a really life-altering position. so god comes into it even more so. >> when you hear him talk about god, does that make you more comfortable he's assuming the weight of his office or make you less comfortable? >> i've been hoping as he assumes the mantel of leadership he'd step back from a lot of the conspiracy and hatred of groups and start to represent all of our nation and understand how important these decisions are. i was very concerned about his comments about nuclear weapons, nuclear arms race, because if you take someone who has a massive ego and isn't taking a decision seriously, we could make mistakes that could harm the entire planet. so that's a very thoughtful
statement and seeking spiritual guidance. that is a good thing. i must say, however, though, i hope he'll bring much more of that concern as he nominates people for his administration because what we have seen as a man who campaigned, he campaigned against wit wall street, he campaigned for worker, and he campaigned for draining the swamp, but we're getting the swamp cabinet of big oil, big banks, and billionaires who are very poor fit for running the departments that he's assigned them to. >> senator merkley sh, apprecia your time. >> you're welcome. next, president trump says one man has proof of massive voter fraud. who is he? and what is his evidence? plus why were the president and british prime minister holding hands at the white house today? and our special investigation series on president trump's border wall. tonight inside the vast network of tunnels under the u.s./mexican border.
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president trump not backing down on his claim of voter fraud in the election. he tweeted look toward to seeing final results. greg phillips and crew say at least 3 million votes were illegal. we must do better. so who is greg phillips and why is trump citing him as a source? drew griffin is out front. >> reporter: where does donald trump get his information of massive voter fraud? not from study after study, report after report, analysis after analysis that has found no evidence but from a nonprofit group that has released no evidence. its leading voice is the former executive director of the mississippi republican party. he's now ceo of a health data company based in texas and a conspiracy theorist, and this morning on cnn's "new day" greg
phillips wouldn't say what his proof actually is. >> you said we know 3 million illegally voted. >> we didn't name a soul, a person. >> will you? >> yes. >> do you have the proof? >> yes. >> will you provide it? >> yes. >> can i have it? >> no. >> why? >> we're going to release everything to the public. >> when? >> as soon as we get done with the checks. >> president trump apparently can't wait either. after greg phillips' appearance, the president tweeted, look forward to seeing final results of vote stand. greg phillips and crew say at least 3 million votes were illegal. we must do better. votestand is greg phillips' mostly empty app site with no proof of anything. it's affiliated with true the vote, a nonprofit that raised a million dollars in 2014 according to its latest tax filing. paid half of that amount in salaries including $120,000 to its director, who raises money
by hiring private fund-raisers and posting frightening but vague youtube posts like this. >> is election fraud a real problem? yes. how bad is it? well, we have over 800 convictions listed in our online convictions database, but that number does not scratch the surface because for every case of fraud that's actually run through the multiyear gauntlet of litigation that's generally necessary to get a conviction, another hundred cases are never prosecuted at all. >> how does she know that? good question. here are the facts. there is no proof of widespread voter fraud in the united states. in study after study, republican-led, democratic-led, independent-led, academic led, going back years and years, no one has been able to prove there is systemic vote fraud in u.s. elections. and we've been down this road before. in 2002, republican president george bush with his republican
attorney general john ashcroft launched the ballot access and voting integrity initiative to crack down on election crimes including vote fraud. after six years, the total number of people convicted for voter fraud, less than 150. a rutgers professor who analyzed data from the initiative concluded the percentage of illegal votes was statistically zero. and as for the elected secretaries of state who actually run elections in their states, not one, republican or democrat, has voiced any concern about massive voter fraud in the november 8 election prompting the national association of secretaries of state to say we are not aware of any evidence that supports the voter fraud claims made by president trump. apparently not enough evidence for the president. >> drew griffin joins me now. also with me our washington bureau chief from the daily
beat, david chalian. drew, you've gone through the facts. we're hearing these assertions they say they'll come forward and have names. is it possible there's any way, that there's some evidence the secretaries of state have missed and everyone else has missed and there are millions of illegal votes? >> no. i don't know how else we can go over this but no. the people in charge of the elections are secretaries of state. that was a powerful statement. house speaker paul ryan has said i've found no evidence. in a december 1st file big trump's own attorneys, all available evidence suggests the 2016 general election was not tainted by fraud. some people, erin, are going to watch this and think we're all involved in a conspiracy, a media conspiracy, to hide the fact that 3 million to 5 million people voted illegally in this election, but that's a pretty big and growing conspiracy of
conspirators now involving 32 republican secretaries of state i guess. >> pretty stunning because you have to realize that there would have had to have been coordination. this wouldn't have randomly happened sporadically all over the place. david, president trump is citing greg phillips and drew just showed us who he is. he has shown no evidence of voter fraud. you heard him there. he'll put it out when he's going to put it out, has no credibility on this issue. how dangerous is this that the president of the united states put out a tweet citing this guy by name? >> well, i mean, it could be dangerous. it's certainly not a wise move for the president of the united states, the leader of the free world, to be highlighting and spotlighting conspiracy theorists with no proof of what they're claiming. that's not a good thing. but i think there are two ways to think about this. if this is just donald trump smarting over the fact that he did not win the popular vote, that's one thing. and then this could be sort of a personal mission for him. but if this is donald trump as i
think some of his critics fear laying the groundwork to put more strict voting regulations and rules into place to try to limit people's access to the vote, then that could become a much more serious problem. >> jackie, to push his unproven voter fraud allegation, trump told a story this week. he had this cocktail party at the white house and told a story about a german golfer. he said this golfer went to vote, i don't know why, but he went to vote in florida and he was turned away. latin-americans, hispanic who is he says were not citizens voted. turns out the story is not true. but trump apparently was told the story, running with it, telling people, using it to bolster his claim. what does this mean about how he's going to govern? this is governing by anecdote. >> i hope this isn't how. it's like an episode of gossip girl. it's not usually what comes out of the oval office. a guy told a guy who may have been that guy's cousin that
there was voter fraud. it doesn't make sense. it doesn't inspire confidence. one would hope that, you know, perhaps he would get his sourcing a little better before he makes these kind of wild very serious allegations having to do with the electoral process. but, yeah, once you started digging into this, the daughter of that german golfer said trump and this golfer aren't even friends. so the whole story was sort of blown up with a couple phone calls. >> drew, this happened before president george w. bush ordered an investigation into voter fraud. it took six years. you report fewer than 150 people were criminally convicted. that was after six years of investigating. a lot of money spent on an investigation. trump is looking for 3 million to 5 million convictions. >> i just don't know where he's going with this, how he would possibly get the money to do this. obviously the republicans in his own party are just, you know, holding their nose and hoping this all goals away.
but to jackie's point, you know, i heard the same thing out in the street. i was in fayetteville, north carolina. you hear these stories. a guy comes up and says a bus driver told me he drove around black church members to voting place to voting place. they believe this stuff. you start asking questions like oh, really? do you know the bus driver? no. do you know the bus company? no. do you remember the cloud cover of the bus? no. but they believe it and this is the kind of conspiracy theorys that keep driving these issues. >> one other point. if there are 3 million to 5 million illegal votes, why is it only donald trump who is complaining? there are other people on the ballot. and even if the white house recently pointed to california and new york, don't you think that if you were somebody on the ballot in california and new york and you lost that you would be raising -- nobody else is raising this concern. >> if those votes came in certain states it would have flipped the election so if hillary clinton thought there was anything in this, she would be yelling loud and clear. thanks to all three and drew for that amazing reporting.
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prump refusing to back down on his right to slap a 20% tax on goods from mexico to pay for the wall. he said he absolutely can do it. >> it's something i have the right to do, something i can impose if i want. we are getting along actually very well with the mexican government. we'll see what happens. >> do you believe that that is a strong move going forward? >> it's certainly an option. i can do that. i can do it if i want. >> tonight our ed lavandera is
back along the southern border. this time in california with incredible access to an underground network of drug smuggling tunnels that stretch from mexico beneath the existing border fence into the united states. here's ed lavendandera with the story you'll see only "out front." >> reporter: for years the vigilance along the southern border has been growing. border agents kriz crossing the remote terrains and urban streets, ground scenters and high powered cameras keeping constant watch. now smugglers go where the cameras and eyes can't see them. we are in a tunnel underneath otay mesa, california, south of san diego on the border with tijuana, mexico. this is a tunnel that stretched about 7650 feet from tijuana into a warehouse or would have stretched into a warehouse on the other side of the border and we're about 70 feet underground
right now. >> that's one of the deeper tunnels we've found. >> reporter: lance is part of a specialized team of border patrol agents known as the tunnel rats. they work underground, 1/2 gaiting newly discovered tunnels and sewer systems. >> reporter: do you think these tunnels started appearing as a response -- as more fencing went up in this area? >> oh, i'm sure it probably did. but we're also still talking there's a lot of stuff they have to move. >> reporter: homeland security officials say in the last ten years nearly 30 tunnels have been discovered just in the san diego area alone. >> they will continue to go on between the u.s. and mexican border, yes, it will continue. there's a way that these drug trafficking organizations can stay undetected and it's by tunneling, they will. >> reporter: this is usually a high-dollar, high, you know, risk/reward enterprise. >> it's a lot of stuff that they've got to move in a relatively short amount of time. >> reporter: he says the tunnels are used to move large packs of
marijuana and cocaine and often lined with electrical power and ventilation. >> this one had a rail system in it. >> reporter: how long does it take to build something like this? >> depend ong the resiliency of the digging crew, they can go really fast really far. >> is it by hand, by shovel? >> basically almost exclusively by hand with power tools. >> reporter: when these things started popping up, what was your reaction to that? >> the imagination of people trying to illicitly come north is something i don't try to second-guess. i mean, it is -- they're incredible, some of the methods they use. >> reporter: fighting this ingenuity below ground has fundamentally changed life on the border above ground. alycia and chris martin spend their lives straddling both sides of the border. they own organic farms in mexico and a produce distribution business and one of the most unique restaurants in mexico. the restaurant is called the rock. >> yes, it is.
yeah. la roca. >> reporter: because your uncle built this into the side of this mountain. >> that's me. >> reporter: as a child she remembers freely crossing the border into mexico. >> this is our farm. we'd come down in our bathing suits as kids, get the popsicle, get the ice cream and go back. >> reporter: with immigration controls tightening on the u.s. side and the fear of cartel violence, the restaurant has struggled to keep its doors open. >> it was all of a sudden somebody came in and hit the light switch and there was nobody. there was nobody in town. there was nobody on the street. >> they're difficult problems to solve, throwing up trade barriers, putting up a wall. there's such harsh approaches to the problems. once again you're treating a symptom and you're not going after the root cause of the problem. >> reporter: perhaps no place symbolizes the impact of tightened border security quite like this place. this is one of the smallest
legal border checkpoints you're going to find. this is the crossing in big ben national park. literally two little boats and a guy who rows you across. it's a small town of 200 people. its lifeline is the tourists that venture across the rio grand for the tama lays at jose falcon's restaurant. >> it's very nice to live here. >> reporter: lilia runs the restaurant her father opened in 1973, but after 9/11, the united states closed the border crossing and the town slowly started dying. falcons had to close. the entry point reopened almost four years ago and falcon's is back. but lilia falcon worries about donald trump's crackdown on immigration and border security. if that border crossing goes -- >> then the town again will be dead again.
it would be hard, very hard again. we wouldn't like to go through it again. >> reporter: it's the chance of taking this rowboat to tore side that just might be the best $5 you'll ever spend. >> ed, you've travelled the length of the entire southern border, almost 2,000 miles. you've seen the wall that exists, seen where it stop, seen the mountains, seen the rivers, the tunnels. what has stood out the most? >> reporter: there's little moments like that in south texas where we saw a stack of ladders that had been abandoned next to one of the border walls, clearly left by migrants who had used these ladders to scale over that wall. full of moments like that. but overall what has really struck me this week reporting this series is the sense that you get from people that the changes they expect to see here at the dawn of the donald trump administration is very similar to the changes that were sparked in the years after 9/11. and there's that sense from
these border communities that the changes will be that dramatic here in the years ahead. >> all right. ed lavandera, thank you for that incredible series that i think has opened the eyes for so many watching. "out front" now, i want to go to the former arizona sheriff. thank you, sheriff. i appreciate you taking the time. >> of course. >> ed lavandera has spent the past month on this special series traveling across the american/mexican border. tonight you saw the massive tunnels. i know you're familiar with those. >> yes. >> one where we see ed right now 70 feet underground. >> right. >> underneath the existing fence that exists. so do you still think a wall is the right answer? i mean, you can't put a wall 70 feet below the ground. if you do, they go down 80, right? they've got ventilation, electricity. they've got it wired for rail. >> right. well, i could tell you that largely what we're looking at, there's the illegal immigration issue, there's the drug smuggli smuggling issue, which are
largely these tunnels are used almost exclusively for, and then there's the larger issue which i think wasn't eve an part of this conversation, is the national security threat posed by an unsecured border. look, if we had over a half a million just basic illegals, people who wanted to come here to the united states for a better life, for a job, for health care, whatever purpose, far more never were apprehended. so it stands to reason that if basic illegals can come in here in that volume, that people that have terrorist intentions with military training and deliberate plans could sneak through as well. >> i understand your point. this has been raised by middle eastern leaders and others. fair point. i'm getting at would the wall stop them or anyone else that wants to come in? >> yes, it would. >> why? >> and the reason i say that, i served as an army officer commanding up to 1,100 soldiers in yuma. there not only when you had
14-foot-tall corrugated steel, no-climb fence, far more important than the fence is enforcing the law. when there's real consequences behind it, and that's what we haven't had, under both democrats and republicans. there's a lot of blame to go around. donald trump is going to enforce the laws currently on the books. >> that's one thing but isn't that different than the wall? we went through the tunnel issue, 70 feet underground. a wall doesn't help with that. he found the stacks of ladders. the wall in many places ed went, it's 10 to 20 feet high, easy to scale or use a ladder. eld was able to go under the wall, slither underneath it in a couple places. i see your point about consequences and all your points -- >> there's a proof of concept -- it does. in yuma that i point out 94% reduction in illegal entries. that's a secure border. that's what it looks like. and it's because you have
physical barrier but you also need the enforcement. there's nine sectors of the border patrol along the southwest border an very few were actually enforcing what was called streamline. an actual consequence if you breached that barrier, that wall, you were deported and there were consequences behind it. most of the border there was disparate enforcement. full catch and release was happening and so when there's no consequence and no enforcement, of course, my deputies have arrested people 16, 22 times. they keep returning. and hay whooi wouldn't they? because there's no consequence or punishment. that's what's really been the issue here, far more than a wall, far more than any other issue that people think is going to solve it. it's going to be enforcement of u.s. laws. >> all right, sheriff. thank you very much. i appreciate your time. >> thank you, erin. anytime. next, my next guest is the founder of patron, the tequila.
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breaking news, in a rare press conference today one of the richest men in the world, the mexican billionaire carlos slim offering to negotiate with president trump on trump's behalf. out front now, billionaire businessman john paul desoria, the co-founder of patron tequila produced in mexico and john paul mitchell systems. our biggest number, the tax that president trump is again threatening to put on inputs from mexico to pay for the wall. you make and then export patron from mexico. if the tax comes into effect, what happens? >> if it comes into effect, unfortunately with all due respect, the mexican government doesn't pay for it, the u.s. consumer does. if the tax comes across, we have to raise our prices. we can't make the tequila in the united states. our quality tequila has to be
made in mexico by law, can't make it here, so it's passed on to our distributor, onto the retailer, which will pass on o e the consumer. when that happens, will people stop buying patron? probably not because people want to treat themselves to the quality, but will it affect the mexican government? i think it will affect the united states citizen more than the u.s. government, i really do -- or if the mexican government. >> in your individual case, a few dollars more with that tax? >> it will be a few dollars more a bottle with the tax but the consumer in the united states will be paying for it, not the mexican government. i think we have to take a different look at that. >> when you talk about that, this tax, that's what it means for patron. we buy auto parts, car, truck, a lot of oil. it's the fourth biggest supplier of oil to the united states. trump was asked about the point you're making, he said the tax, whether it would be passed along to consumers here in america. and i want to play for you his answer and get your reaction. >> sure.
>> well, i think some of it may get passed along but it also creates jobs. so i'm not against something like that but with respect to mexico something else could happen which would be much more positive for both mexico and the united states. >> he says i think some may get passed along but it also creates jobs. fair? >> well, you have to -- not quite. we have to really think this one out a little bit because oil, for example, and food is a commodity. if you raise the price by 20% because of whatever taxation there is, the consumer at the other end is going to pay for it. they're going to pay for it across the line. so i think they may want to think that one out a little bit. you'll be paying more for vegetables, more for gas that comes from mexico, and if such a large percentage that we use comes from mexico, it only makes sense that the only gas companies have to charge more money. so the u.s. consumer's going to pay for it. mr. trump is a smart fellow and i think mr. trump wants to do what's right, but i do think
they have to think this out a little bit more. now, when it comes to renegotiating maybe a trade pact, that's different. i know when i ship into mexico for paul mitchell hair care products, we have a duty of 16%, so we have to charge a little more money to the mexican people. they pay it because the quality of the product. so going both ways it definitely affects one another. but i know that going down there, we get charged 16% going down. >> which i think is actually an important point because people may conflate the wall with nafta itself. and off lot of issues with that. but you're saying as part of ngata, when they sell here, they there's no tariff, right? that's why he's talking about putting one on. when you go down there, you're paying right now 16% tariff. >> that is correct. that is correct. that's correct. there's no question about it. but going back to mexico paying for the wall, the way it's stated right now, i'm sure they'll review it and change it
a little bit, the u.s. consumer pays for it, not mexico. i think they'll look at it maybe a little more seriously and figure out what may work and won't work. i think across the line a 20% tax i don't think will be advantageous to our people or jobs. it won't affect our jobs as far as i know one bit. unless he only charged people that were u.s. manufacturers that ship it right back to the united states, maybe that's different. i don't know. maybe it will equalize what money they're saving so they'll hire more people in this nation. i don't know. but when it comes to things like products made in mexico that can't be made anywhere else or commodities like food, it's the american citizens that pay for it. they may want to rethink that. >> john paul, thank you very much. for all of that information. appreciate it. >> pleasure. and next, we're going to go inside the white house to find out who is closest literally because we have a seat map, people, to the ultimate seat of power.
who's d closest to trump? sara murray is out front. >> reporter: donald trump's west wing is packed with a team of advisers with often sharp elbows. in the midst of a tumultuous first week in the west wing, it appears trump is adopting the management style that suited him in business and helped him win the white house. and trying to apply it to washington's bureaucracy. >> put me into the boardroom as your representative and i will deliver for you like no politician has ever delivered, believe me. believe me. >> reporter: previous presidents have churned to their chief of staff to ensure order in the white house. trump has lavished praise on him. >> reince is fantastic. reince has been an unbelievable leader. >> reporter: but he's given reince priebus equal authority to steve bannon, trump's chief
strategist and senior counselor. they're joined in the white house by counselor to the president, kellyanne conway, someone trump holds in high esteem. >> there is no den she will not go into. when my men are petrified to go on a certain network, i say kellyanne, will you -- absolutely, no problem. and she gets on and just destroys them. >> reporter: rounding out is jared kushner. >> i sort of stole her husband. he is so great. >> reporter: his influence grew throughout the campaign and trump trusts him completely. when it comes to the prime white house real estate, priebus claims the office traditionally reserved for the chief of staff, complete with a fireplace and conference table. kushner snapped up the spot closest to the oval office and bannon is sandwiched between them. conway is settling into a space on the second floor previously inhabited by obama senior adviser valerie jarrett. ♪ money, money, money
trump has a penchant for competing power centers and a variety of viewpoints. in his view, that means the strongest proposal wins but it can breed turf wars and internal rivalries. david axelrod, who worked in the obama administration, served up even stronger warnings, noting a model chain of command and staff spats can lead to severe kwepss. >> there is a big difference between running the trump organization or even a campaign and running the white house because the decisions and statements and actions a white house takes can have grave implications, mortal implications, for people here and around the world. >> reporter: sara murray, cnn, washington. >> thanks to sarah. with the xfinity tv app,
thanks for joining us. terse sta anderson starts next. john berman in for anderson. breaking news. details of president trump's executive action on refugees including this one, a ban on all refugees that will last four months. so not only have the developments been coming almost hour by hour all week long as the trump administration gits rolling, they've been coming in every size, shape, and color, whether it's the executive orders and conversations with world leaders, what we hear going on behind closed doors, conversations and concerns among republican lawmakers about just how to fix obamacare or build a wall with mexico. and there's also what we have to guess is the basis for some of hi