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hundreds of thousands of people flood the streets of our nation's capital on a day for the history book. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon live in washington. this is not the inauguration of president trump. this is the women's march on washington and not just washington but hundreds of thousands of people in cities across the country and many more all around the world on a day of protest against his brand new administration, president trump travels to cia headquarters for a briefing speaking in front of the wall of honor where fallen operatives are remembered with stars the president says this. >> i get up this morning and turn on one of the networks and
they saw an empty field. wait a minute, i made a speech. i looked out. field looked like 1 million, 1 1/2 million people, they showed a field of practically nobody standing there. >> we'll get to all of that but talk about the protesters first all across america and around the world marching from women's rights and other civil rights they fear would be under threat. if you think it's confined to washington, look at this, marchers spread across the country. boston, denver, park city, utah, chicago, oakland, california, and more. in the red states, indianapolis, houston, phoenix. and thousands more from london to barcelona to melbourne to oslo. lot to discuss. bring in david swerdlick,
jeffrey lord, kirsten powers, jim sciutto. first day. >> so how did it go? >> we have a lot to talk about, talk about massive crowds and protests and not talking about the inauguration. this is in all 50 states. protested donald trump and his agenda and talked about women's issues there to bring them to the forefront. turnout exceeding the expectations in organize rz, even in anchorage, peoria, florida, not to mention around the globe and antarctica, how big of historic moment is this? >> as exercise in free speech and nonviolent dissent, big success. the pictures show it all. at grocery store i saw a lot of
moms with daughters and same with people in north carolina, got the sense of more experienced generation passing on a tradition of activism to a younger generation. in terms whether this translates for democrats to gains in 2018 and 2020, no idea. you can protest all you want. president obama always said don't boo vote. this is what he was talking about. >> put in historical perspective douglas, compared back-to-back with the big inauguration. >> always will be remembered as two morphed together, trump's inauguration and this protest. originally after the election calling it million woman march on washington, d.c. organizers got smart and said let's not do that, let it mushroom up. cities caught people by
surprise. seattle and denver and atlanta. it's big. huge moment. reminded me of vj day. victory over japan, 1945. people started coming out of apartments and homes and unexpected people. talked to john kerry today. he marched. not on the calendar to march but caught up in the spirit. lot of extra people in the towns started coming out. >> historically we had the march on washington but worldwide civil rights movement this is unprecedented. >> for the sheer numbers and sisterhood around is global. it's a global sisterhood, not just in the united states. and let's -- main thing, it was very peaceful. any of us walking around d.c. were proud, people hugging each other. taking families. great moment of american dissent. >> you saw the ground swell and
big celebrity component as well in the nation's capital. watch this. >> the president is not america. his cabinet is not america. congress is not america. we are america. >> having fought a lot of my life to get my rights as a woman, i'll be damned if i'm going backwards. >> trump and his handlers have found a fox for every chicken coop in washington and a twitter finger must not become a trigger finger. he also said he was with the people, indeed he was the people. to paraphrase a famous quote, i just want to say, i have met the people and you are not them.
>> kirstin, i thought this was interesting, celebrities may draw your attention if you're watching television but they were almost afterthought and some might say distracted from it, doesn't think it was ground swell, especially madonna with the comments about the white house. >> and seen women, pro-choice march, lot of them come out. haven't seen what doug was talking about. picture prz all the other. anchorage, alaska, my sister-in-law from fair banks, s alaska, that's a lot of people in fairbanks coming out in minus 15 weather in conservative state coming out and marching. really touching thing. >> and sent me pictures from my little down in long island with people out marching. little towns that the cameras aren't there. >> that's the story don.
it's not about new york and d.c. i was in new york this afternoon. joy all over the streets. story is the marches overperformed. underpromised and overdeliveredment donald trump yesterday overpromised and underdelivered. predicting historic crowds that didn't show up. today the crowds in new york spilling out of 5th avenue. >> cities we didn't have on the screen, new orleans, atlanta. should the president possibly have said today -- i think it would have been, some people would have appreciated that i am your president too. >> obviously would have been gracious but clearly not his style. he's coming in in adversaryial quay and not going to change. shouldn't expect it. analogy to be drawn to the tea
party movement in 2008 and 2009, analogy is lazy but really true that two constituencies, nonideological group concerned with the direction of the country and rhetoric from donald trump and more ideological group from the left of the country. interesting to think who will drive the movement forward. one of the offshoots of the tea party movement is one of the noeft nonideological president to come out of the race. >> and some of the folks there complaining about democrats not listening to them as well. just to say all democrats or hillary clinton supporters is not necessarily so. jeffrey lord. what do trump supporters -- i was sitting with trump supporters in a restaurant having lunch as this happened and as he was at cia.
i'll share anecdotes later. but what do you think? >> went to african-american museum with friend and impossible to do. i was stopped many times. all without -- couple exceptions not for television. most of these folks just terrific. and i encouraged them. because i'm a child of the '60s, believe in protests and demonstrations. think it's terrific. i think the trump people i was talking to yesterday think the same thing. what they also think is we had an election and they won. and they were the forgotten people and they won. one thing i would caution here. i remember -- you know where i'm going with this. ronald reagan, 19 -- >> only took 10 minutes into the show.
>> june of 1983, a million people in the streets of new york and others around the world protesting for the nuclear freeze and calling ronald reagan names. he reacted, not well. i think he questioned their patriotism, challenged them, et cetera. my point is at end of the day all they wound up doing is helping ronald reagan who won a 49 state landslide and carried the day on the issues. just cautioning, what they did is magnificent, god bless them. but just because you do that doesn't mean you'll carry the day. >> but for ronald reagan wasn't worldwide. >> i thought some in london and paris. >> but the scope and magnitude of this. we'll continue to discuss, blame him pour taking your time in the first segment jim.
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with humira, control is possible. president donald trump's press secretary lashing out at news media today over the reports about the size of the crowds at yesterday's inauguration. bring in jim acosta. good evening. very interesting to watch this briefing. day two of the trump presidency and -- actually first full day
and confronted by massive protests right outside his window but trump white house is focused on the crowds at inauguration yesterday, play sean spicer where he gave a blistering statement full of inaccuracies and took no questions. >> secondly, photographs of the inaugural proceedings framed in one particular way to minimize the support on the national mall. first time coverings, highlighted areas where people were not standing and in years past the grass eliminated this visual. this is also the first time that fencing and magnetometers went far back to the wall and people couldn't access the wall as quick lz as inauguration past. >> i was down there.
i wanted to experience it like everybody else instead of the media, public entrance and waited in line with the public. weren't hundreds of thousands waiting. only about 100 or so where i was in the particular line where i was and weren't that many. what about these magnetometers and floor coverings they're blaming? >> right. two different things. ground coverings first, use those to protect the grass, the sod on the national mall. and what sean spicer said this is the first time these ground coverings were used. just not the case. looking at picture right there from getty images from barack obama's inaugural in 2013. we should point out tom barrack, inaugural chairman was just on the channel saying this wasn't used in 2013. other picture where you saw the
workers unloading the ground coverings, very back of that photograph, you see the inaugural setup at the capital. this is the setup in front as ground coverings are unloaded off that stack and placed on the national mall. one of the other campaign embeds had a picture she provided to us that shows the ground coverings used in 2013 for barack obama's second inaugural. they were used them. just not factually accurate and google search or having your staff do searching on the internet would have uncovered that. as for magnetometers, sean spicer said that this use of the magnetometers went as far back as mall preventing hundred thousands of people being unable to access. as you mentioned not hundreds of thousands waiting in line. u.s. secret service tells us
magnetometers not used to prevent people accessing the mall. were magnetometers around, you went through one but not circling the mall to get people. >> i was going to parade route. >> not circling the mall keeping people from going. just not the case. >> let's play a little bit more, something else that incensed spicer. >> inaccurate numbers involving crowd size also tweeted. no one had numbers because the national park service which controls the national mall doesn't put any out. by the way this applies to any attempts to try to count the number of protesters today in the same fashion. we do know a few things. go through the facts. from the platform where the president was sworn in to 14th street holds denied from the media tent to the washington
monument another 250,000 people. all of this space was full when the president took the oath of office. we knew that 420,000 people used d.c. metro transit yesterday, compared to 317,000 that used for president obama's inaugural. this was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration period, both in person and around the globe. >> jim you've been fact checking the numbers. >> reporter: metro ridership numbers cited were not accurate. i believe we have a graphic prepared. according to washington metro service here in the nation's capital, 570,000 riders took metro yesterday for donald trump. back in 2013, it was 782,000, and 1.1 million in 2009.
that is the full day ridership number from metro. sean came in and gave -- spicer gave numbers that were not complete. and part of the issue that this raises don, you know, granted first day out for spicer giving a briefing in the white house but when you're white house press secretary pays dividends in the long run for him, his boss and administration to have facts straight. to pick this fight with the news media and accuse them of falsely representing what actually took place and not armed with decent facts to back that up, strikes me as woefully unprepared and doing his boss a disservice, will be a problem moving forward. if the boss is sending him out there because he's irate, going
to have to come a moment for spicer to say mr. president, i can ant just lie to everyone and present false information to get you out of this jam. they have to work that out. these are battles that go on behind the scenes at white house whatever the administration. but today as first full day for the white house to have this unfold is astonishing, never seen anything like it. >> i think you're right. there's a doth protest too much to this. panel is back. mark, we didn't talk about this yesterday. said this on the air last night wanted to give donald trump his due. he's president. we didn't focus on the inaugurations. we've been it to them and yesterday were sparse crowds.
can look at footage that was live. it's on tape now. it is what it is. we wouldn't be discussing it had he not brought it up. why is he obsessing over the crowd numbers? maybe something social media people are obsessing over but why? >> think about the irony of this, donald trump sitting inside the white house right now and reporter on his lawn questioning why he would choose to try to blatantly lie, that's got to be eating him up inside. i think that's lost on everyone here. i think donald trump would love to walk out and punch out jim acosta and other reporters doing that. but talk about the bigger issue. there's a bigger issue. crowd size doesn't matter. it is what it is. people watched on tv, listened on radio, internet. it is what it is. bigger issue is that donald trump chose to send his
spokesperson out to blatantly lie. think if you're in the shoes of sean spicer, spokesperson. first full day on the job and you have the leader of the free world say to you, go out and tell the reporters this. now do you say look, no. i'm not going to do that and i quit? or do you say okay i will go out there. think of the quandary you're in. >> not going to fire sean spicer on the first day. >> look who you're talking about not going to do it. >> you don't know. your communications director and press secretary who runs communication shop quits on the first day because he refuses to tell a blaptant lie. we know it's terribly wrong but i think it's not spicer it's trump. scariest part is that donald
trump so thin-skinned something so small -- >> want to get to mr. sciutto. i agree. that's fine. i think the bigger sh is lying to the american people. we have informed electorate. and he's lying. >> crowd size doesn't matter. massive lie told about it today but doesn't matter. in the hierarchy of unaccuracies today, president himself went to the cia and he lied i suppose i could use that word or told a narrative contrary to the facts about who created dispute with the intelligence agencies which was him. we have numerous incidents of him undermining the intelligence community because he didn't like his perception that russia interfered with the election
because it's his read that -- affects his election. >> let's play it. >> i think it was disgraceful that intelligence agencies allowed any information that turned out to be so false and fake out. i think it's a disgrace. and i say that, and i say that, and that's something that nazi germany would have done and did do. i think it's a disgrace that information was was false and fake and never happened got released to the public. >> that was then. that was just over a week ago. this is today at cia. >> the reason you're my first stop is that as you know i have a running war with the media. they are among the most dishonest human beings on earth.
right? and they sort of made it sound like i had a feud with the intelligence community. and i just want to let you know, reason you're number one stop is exactly the opposite. exactly. and they understand that too. >> go jim. >> that's not true, what he just said. we have the public statements where he criticized and disparaged the intelligence community but even that -- first of all. that's important. he was able it go public and undermine intelligence agencies that he and the country rely on to keep us safe because didn't like assessment of the hacking. that's important. talk about lies, put spokesman out to lie about crowd size. what if donald trump orders troops into battle and they die? do we trust the white house to speak about that honestly if
they lie about this? what if a terror attack happens and they had a warning or he gets a warning and doesn't share with the american public, can you then trust him to share that information that the public deserves to know accurately? based on this whether from spokesperson's mouth or the president's mouth. that's essential to the functioning of democracy. if on day one willing to tell inaccuracies on issues that don't matter that much or matter less than real stuff happening, that's a concern. >> anybody in the producer's -- get a little bit more time. does anybody care about the crowd size here? didn't care a bit. on the parade route, people are here, happy to see the person they went to the booth for is now the president of the america. >> i do care, shows divided america that fewer lied up. matters a lot that he lied about
it. >> i think the lie matters but not the crowds. >> it's natural response to this. what percent of the d.c. population, 95 to 5 voted for him? >> my voters from middle america and not enough couldko make it out would be even if. >> bush had big inaugurations. >> but we know that trump's voting population lower income. >> then why were all the dresses in washington sold out? >> a lot of poor people voted for president barack obama and again i was here, unscientific polling people from all over the world, every state in the united states and people keep saying voting bloc from urban areas and whatever, african-americans whatever, may be true but a million more people. at that inauguration. >> it's not a fair comparison to compare the first african-american president
elected and his inauguration than donald trump. >> then why didn't spicer say that instead of lying. >> let's talk about the cia. applauded, cia likes it. i'm told he had staff members there. >> staff members and also, someone at cia i communicated with today who said you could go good f you wanted. self-selective. people who went were the people who liked him. truth is most of the people actually don't like him for obvious reasons i think. and maybe not so obvious is they really value people with interest in what is going on around the world and don't feel like he does. >> there we go. ready? four more years. thanchs everyone. >> eight years. >> just ahead, president trump attends interfaith prayer
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absolutely scottsdale. president trump began his day attending a prayer service at washington's national cathedral. clergy from various faith took part but one had unexpected message for the president of sorts. imam mohamed magid, executive director of the all dulles area muslim society. thanks for joining us. originally asked you to do the call to prayer right? >> call to prayer. yes.
>> and couple of days ago. >> i shared with the national cathedral and inaugural thaem i would like to use verses from the koran. >> and verses were about diversity and -- >> yes. >> many saw as political messages. why did you choose this? >> these voices from the holy koran i used in various gatherings for praying for the nation and celebrating diversity of this beautiful country. those verses are from the holy koran and address that all of us as human beings are equal before the eyes of god. it's not political mess amg at all. it was well received i would like to see. works to address the principles that this beautiful country was built on. >> what were the verses?
>> from chapter 49 says that all mankind, human kind, male and female, admitted to different nations and tribes and communities so that you might recognize one another, get to know one another. and those are the most righteous. >> why did you feel the need to do that? >> i feel the need to do this because when i saw the numbers of people coming to this prayer service from various communities, different religious backgrounds, i looked to that gathering and saw the american salad bowl. >> and you thought they needed to hear that message. you've well-known in washington and criticized by fellow muslims for agreeing to take part in this event. why did you agree? >> my model and example is my
prophet, peace be upon him. prophet mohammed spoke with people who disagreed with him and spoke ill of him and engaged him. in order to have people understand who we are, with ef to engage with them. american muslims are hurt from the rhetoric during the campaign. and therefore enough of them still believe that -- been misunderstood, they have not -- mischaracterized. >> mischaracterized. >> by the campaign and muslim-americans don't like to be looked like suspect, security threat. >> and what would you like to see from the administration? did you get to talk with him?
>> he shook my hand and thanked me. what i would like to see is understand that american muslims are part of the american social fabric. contributed greatly to this country, some of them lost their lives for this country. and i have five daughters, really quite a task, and i want all of them to grow up proudly in america, not every day to feel they're not part of america. i don't like them to feel be looked at as security threat. because i want them to be best american they can be. >> americans come in all religions, all backgrounds, shapes, size and colors. thank you. >> my pleasure. >> it with as an honor. we'll be right back.
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massive protests worldwide the day after president donald trump's inauguration. let's discuss with bakari sellers and kailee mcen inny, both here. and simone sanders and zena zito, how are you doing? get some rest? >> no. march. >> sleep all day tomorrow. congratulations again. in city after city all all these crowds protesting against
president trump. it was massive. even worldwide. donald trump likes to claim support from crowd size from events like this. today's marches, what message does it send? >> shows we are living in a hyper partisan time, reminds me of the tea party protests. didn't happen the day after the election, wasn't mass gathering on the mall but nevertheless a movement that was loud and sustainable and sustained into the election of donald trump. my wonder with this, is this protest going to turn into a new moment? i think it's hard to do but we're in hyper partisan environment just like eight years ago. >> simone overwhelmingly women -- anybody want to respond first? >> march conveners said wasn't about donald trump, for women, not against donald trump. >> it was mostly women but lot of things they talked about.
grievances. women's rights, lgbt rights, immigration, is that a risk of diluting the core message? >> i don't think so, intersectionality is important and key. that's what the march highlighted. can talk about the rights of women but so many women dealing with fear of their families being snatched away in the middle of the night byice, who are children not comfortable with themselves, don't feel can exist in society because discriminated against because lgbtq, we have to touch on interseksality and do a disservice otherwise. multi layered. >> were you surprised to see so many men? >> no i wasn't. >> surprised at size? >> i was. >> sitting in restaurant and
break tking. >> it was big. can't take that away. if you look at tea party movement could argue that republicans, all paid off for them, won midterms, donald trump ended up president. lot of bad things happened along the way, including the fact that president barack obama -- if you're a tea partier, got two terms. wonder how much of this energy -- you know, equal and opposite reaction, you take the good with the bad. how much of this energy is going to be good versus how much of it is based on paranoia about trump and fear and trump derangment syndrome. i wonder if it's good or bad if you're a liberal activist. >> trum derangement? >> it's alive and well. >> i think do a disservice if you cast it out as liberal or
democratic. >> they're not happy with democrats. >> what you saw today was purely american. not anti-trump at all. >> did you see the signs? >> there's a lot of fear and anger but this surprised me. i consider myself to be a proud progressive democrat even coming from south carolina, but surprised me, the numbers. people protesting around the world. donald trump's done two things. give him credit. first day rocky, i don't know if politically correct but first day sucked. but done two things well. brought people together who have those issues, talking about intersectionality and environmental justice and women's rights african-americans, and made the
affordable care act popular again. >> do you think there's danger of a backlash? elizabeth warren throwing hands around and madonna saying things from the podium. middle-aged guy from middle america out there -- >> that's cool to see, a lot of working class women. >> working-class white women. >> and first ever time protesting anything. >> double-edged sword. sometimes show energy and passion and movement and sometimes the backlash. >> i hear you. refer to myself as child of the civil rights movement and may have been a double-edged sword but bet on the success of that movement more -- >> should the president reach out to the people in the crowd? we'll be back.
held in red states as well and trump supporters, women out there as well. >> one of the things that president obama faced when the tea party came out, he never really addressed them. and he paid for it not personally because he remained personally popular but his policies paid for it in the midterm elections and downballot. and i thought if he would have had this conversation with the people who were upset with him and didn't like his policies in some way or form, maybe wouldn't have lost that -- >> may be a democrat in office right now. should donald trump do that? >> i think should be olive branch passed out. some conversation. avoid the pitfalls that happened to the democrats and 1,030 seats, that's a lot to lose.
could happen to republicans if line of communication is not open, i think it's really important -- >> i told i would share anecdote. if not olive branch doesn't bode well for re-election if he didn't extend some olive branch. these people can be pulled in. not happy with democrats as well. >> will be olive branch, not in the form of words but i argue he did that in his address but in action. trump is going to govern as first post partisan president. going to see him making deals with bernie sanders on issues like trade and trying to ensure everyone has health care. first post partisan president. if he governs that way, people that marched will be surprised by the -- >> trump ran on the republican ticket. post partisan my tail.
>> find this discussion to be fascinating. brought up if barack obama had done this, night before barack obama got inaugurated and sworn in, what was he doing? at dinner honoring john mccain, people like mitch mcconnell talking about one term president and republicans meeting under the cover of darkness so his agenda wouldn't exist. but that said, often people said that barack obama, something he also said and taken back, being the first post racial president, now to hear that donald trump is the post partisan president. >> not talking about going to dinner with john mccain. congressional republicans said this is the first president that didn't pick up phone to -- didn't extend and reach across the aisle like the gingrich
days. >> republicans under barack obama literally said their job was to make sure he's unsuccessful. donald trump needs to reach out. yet to see any olive branchs to anybody. >> and i remember democrats and african-americans criticizing him saying stop trying to work with them. not going to work with you. tried too much. >> donald trump has yet to try a little bit. just give me something. >> listen donald trump, what else do you have to lose? people around the world taking to the streets to protest. one of them a woman who supports trump. talk to her next. buying cheese. scandal alert! flo likes dairy?! woman: busted! [ laughter ] right afterwards we caught her riding shotgun with a mystery man. oh, yeah! [ indistinct shouting ] is this your chauffeur? what?! no, i was just showing him how easy it is to save with snapshot from progressive. you just plug it in
a day of protest from coast-to-coast and around the world. how will president trump respond? this is "cnn tonight with don lemon," day two of the trump administration and marchers flooded streets in washington and beyond, even spreading across the red states of trump country. no response yet from the administration but press secretary sean spicer did have crowd size on his mind today, specifically for the inauguration. white house fighting back that the crowd at inauguration was smaller than when barack obama took office in