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borisjohnson and the european union announce they have reached a deal on brexit. it comes as mrjohnson arrives in brussels for a crucial summit. he says it's a "great" deal which takes back control. the eu describe the deal as a "fair and balanced agreement". discussions over the past days, have at times been difficult. but we have delivered and we have delivered together. but can mrjohnson get his deal through parliament on saturday? northern ireland's democratic unionists say they still can't support it "as things stand". and the labour leader, jeremy corbyn, calls it a sell—out deal — he wants the people to have the final say
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in another referendum. as it stands, we can't support this deal and will oppose it in parliament on saturday. we'll have the latest from here in brussels and from westminster. the other main stories this lunchtime. commuters clash with extinction rebellion protesters who try to stop tube trains running in london. new figures show knife crime in england and wales is up by 7% — and gun crime is also rising. ‘we‘re sorry‘ — the mobile network three apologises after millions of customers are left unable to make calls or send messages. and it's fever—pitch excitement in japan as the country's rugby team prepare for their world cup quarter—final. it comes after days of intensive
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negotiation ahead of the crucial summit of eu leaders that begins in about an hour from summit of eu leaders that begins in about an hourfrom now. boris johnson has to try and get this latest deal from the uk parliament on saturday. let us remind you how we found out about this. a tweet from john god younger. —— jean—claude younger. and then boris johnson and then borisjohnson tweeted this... let us get more from our political correspondence. rob, i know there is
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a lot more today. more vertical, just the significance of this moment. let us try and keep it simple. mrjohnson, moment. let us try and keep it simple. mr johnson, on moment. let us try and keep it simple. mrjohnson, on the good side, he has which detail and a lot of people thought that was going to be immensely difficult and may be that he was not even particularly sincere about it. the more problematic site, this deal has been reached at an enormous cost and because of something that he absolutely said was anathema. namely, northern ireland is going to be treated differently to the rest of the uk. that price he has paid comes at a sort of political cost to him. that is that the northern irish party, the prounion party, the conservative party depends on and would certainly need help with with such a deal, it is now saying it cannot support this deal when there isa cannot support this deal when there is a special session of parliament to look at on saturday. good news that he got a deal for him, but it is looking quite tricky and how he
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is looking quite tricky and how he is going to get it to pass through parliament. candidly you pibroch the deal going through a dusty parliamentary mathematics allow borisjohnson parliamentary mathematics allow boris johnson and his parliamentary mathematics allow borisjohnson and his team of whips to get it through perhaps without them? look, technically, of course if enough opposition mps than the main opposition labour party came along, sure you could get it through, but we have a very helpful unit at the bbc. our parliamentary research unit in the initial totting up research unit in the initial totting up at the figures suggest that if they dup boats against the deal and they dup boats against the deal and the vast majority of opposition mps including labour mps vote against the deal, then mrjohnson would fall short by maybe five to ten votes. look, it will be close and anything could happen, but the answer to your question is if they dup do not support the government enable villa struggle. you are alluding to the fa ct struggle. you are alluding to the fact that boris johnson struggle. you are alluding to the fact that borisjohnson had to do something he would said he would not do two continents some sort of
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border along the irish sea. absolutely, anybody, if you go on social media and look up some of the speeches that boris johnson social media and look up some of the speeches that borisjohnson made, including at the party conference, he and many other politicians now around borisjohnson he and many other politicians now around boris johnson set a he and many other politicians now around borisjohnson set a border in the irish sea, anything that somehow affected the unity, the solidarity, the sovereignty of the uk which be out of the question. but he has a grated. there is a reason for that and that is the deadline that mr johnson set himself, if you like, the political hole he finds in southend. he said he was going to deliver brexit by the 31st and easiest way to do that was to do a deal. doing a deal with the eu has involved making this concession and of course it reflects a certain level of desperation. 0f of course it reflects a certain level of desperation. of course mr johnson is hoping that that desperation works all round. politicians across the spectrum in the uk are thinking goodness gracious, do we really need to have to go on talking about brexit any
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more? so, maybe he is hoping that enough mps that feel that way that he gets the passed, despite the hiccup with the dup. thank you very much. just to remind our reviewers, the president of the european commission said there was a deal. this was how he put it. are we happy with the deal? you can be happy. well done. well it gets through parliament? i am not in charge of the british parliament, u nfortu nately. the british parliament, unfortunately. well, that is going to brussels by my colleague is standing by and has been watching this through the day. over to you. thanks very much. you are very welcome to the european council, it is filling up and let me tell you over the last couple of hours there has been for zones of excitement
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that went three as it was declared that went three as it was declared that the eu and the uk have a deal. i want to bring in a couple of guests that are digesting all of this and exactly what it means, because most will tell you we have been here before. james from the telegraph and beatrice who is a freelance spanish challenge list. wonderful to help with us. i know you have been digestive this, what you have been digestive this, what you make that full? i never thought we would see this happen. white smoke emanated from the building across the road from the summit and it seems we had a deal. but the big question now is ok, eu leaders will almost certainly get this political approval, but with a house of commons? if there is no signal that borisjohnson was commons? if there is no signal that boris johnson was able commons? if there is no signal that borisjohnson was able to get concrete assurances to the european commission that this will get through the house of commons, michel barnier said today the prime
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minister thinks he can get a three. we will have to take matters right dominant. but of course they were burnt famously three times before. and so this is it, it depends what will happen on saturday. will he get people to not? we were hearing from oliver political correspondence that the market they are not budging. those ten votes, can he get it to probe without them? one of the things about brexit that —— one of the things brexit taught me sometimes have to three hands up and they are in sight have no idea. i have no idea if enough people from labour but come across a get the numbers up, if the ert, they seem to be supporting boris johnson, numbers up, if the ert, they seem to be supporting borisjohnson, are they going to stand filled voice behind him were many details come out wilson begin to spit away?m behind him were many details come out wilson begin to spit away? it is still very much up in the air. let me 20 beatrice. how is this being seenin me 20 beatrice. how is this being seen in spain? by they are expecting
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a jealous money? i think some of us we re a jealous money? i think some of us were cut slightly on arrest how early it can do. we were really positive about saying at deal this week. i think the position in spain is very select the rest of the member states. the main remaining issues by relating to the irish border, it was entirely up to ireland to get the green light to the agreement. i do not think it'll bea the agreement. i do not think it'll be a problem for the member states to get their consent to the deal that was a great today. so, it doesn't tally up to the uk to be to get that through the house of commons. what about the timing issue? 60 pages that need to be gone there with a fine tooth comb to make sure your country has not agree to something you do not want and also translated. great big brains that needed to get a part in a matter of hours. do they think that is doable? what we have heard today is that of course that was challenging for member states, because they have not seen the tax just yet. so, member states, because they have not seen the taxjust yet. so, indeed, having to make a decisionjust a
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couple of hours is really hard. but at the same time the changes we are say are minimal, so it should not be such a problem for the member states. again, everything is related to the irish border. as long as ireland is on board i think be easy for the member states and stop what we have heard that the council is ready to give consent today. the european parliament are saying is well that they're happy to have a look at the agreement and be able to have a vote in the coming days. everything that we here before, that it was impossible to get done in a few weeks, even in a few months, it seems i'iow few weeks, even in a few months, it seems now we are able to do it in days. just taking a look, boris johnson is on his way here. i am wondering what sort of medicine the end? he has this deal that he is going to come and make a statement —— what sort of mood is she in? you cannot get away from the fact that arlene foster are saying no way. no, this is a victory lap. this is his first time to brussels, to the
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european council summit as a prime minister, not as a journalist. but he will come, he will claim that this is the greatest agreement since sliced bread and will deal with the reality of the house of commons on saturday i think. so, i wonder, reality of the house of commons on saturday i think. so, iwonder, if we we re saturday i think. so, iwonder, if we were to talk about negotiation tactics, is there a way that he could try and convince those ten members to accept it? i mean, they have been so staunch in their refusal. the statement came out before anyone even had breakfast, never mind about practice. with a very firm specific on why not customs, consent and vat the sub it isa customs, consent and vat the sub it is a lot of things. it is. i am sure the wheels are in the processes are being released. iam the wheels are in the processes are being released. i am sure that promises will be made. but i guess and this is purely my supposition,
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but i guess maybe the dup will be thinking well, if we block this, there will be an extension, which in a general election. i think that in northern ireland there's quite a lot of support for the northern ireland only backstop, a precursor to this new agreement. so, is it possible that the dup could lose seats in a general election called by boris johnson? and ifjohnson gets a majority, then maybe, well, london will go back to forgetting that the dp ever existed. they are in such a powerful position will have been over the past while. i want to bring oui’ over the past while. i want to bring our viewers over the past while. i want to bring oui’ viewers some over the past while. i want to bring our viewers some of the pictures are borisjohnson our viewers some of the pictures are boris johnson leaving our viewers some of the pictures are borisjohnson leaving downing street. he is in london, we are in brussels, he is making his way here, as defect relapse as james has called it. to be quite honest, it is not going to be too long before that happens. because the special setting in parliament, the first time on saturday before the falklands war,
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will be taking place and they are looking of course for those votes to get this deal approved, which will be 320. how do you see it?|j get this deal approved, which will be 320. how do you see it? i see it as challenging, but icd prospect of an election can be more challenging for those in political parties stop we have seen this before, with such a reason they tried to pass another agreement for times and shopping able to do so. so, i think it is by charging to be able to find that they we can change and do much pain as political parties on board. so, they have to decide whether they will be willing to risk an election and losing seats or whether they are willing to accept this deal. we have to consider is whether some of those mps actually against brexit in itself, so they might just mps actually against brexit in itself, so they mightjust risk everything to get a chance to have second referendum. i would not exclude, i think we should remember what a big jealousies. european union said it but never reopen the better agreement. it did.
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union said it but never reopen the betteragreement. it did. —— union said it but never reopen the better agreement. it did. —— what a big deal this is. borisjohnson is at the benn act had cut his negotiating legs out from under him, it has not. there has been a lot of things which have been accepted as reality, which have been proven to, when it comes to the crunch, to change. even if we do get the deal approved, brexit is not over. i am cited either. we will have very intensive free trade negotiations. the idea of that being easy, that is the tough part. that is at the deal is approved. we have not even got diet. thank you both very much. so, what do looking at? a deal that has been approved by the uk and the eu. borisjohnson on been approved by the uk and the eu. boris johnson on his been approved by the uk and the eu. borisjohnson on his way here. we are expect him to give a statement not far from where i am speaking to you with michel barnier. michel barnier the chief negotiator by the eu and he was asked questions about whether a not mrjohnson might get into parliament, he batted that out at the council chambers and instead
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absent mrjohnson to decide. but i thinkjames is right, he will probably bask in the glory of theirs, at least in the next two hours, before the next bout of politicking takes place. our brussels correspondence adam, who no doubt he had seen on your screens as well over the past few hours and days, he has been taking a lack some many details about what to happen. the world has them waiting for a revised brexit deal and michel barnier. patience is a virtue. he explained that the biggest changes are around northern ireland. that bit of the treaty because they backstop, it is gone. we had to reconcile two objectives. first, include legally operative solution and they withdrawal agreement that would avoid a heart border between
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ireland and northern ireland. —— a hardbody. preserve the all ireland economy and protect the integrity of the single market. secondly, a point extremely important to prime ministerjohnson and the uk, was that northern ireland remains in the uk's customs territory. northern ireland before the eu rules on agriculture and goods. it will be in the uk customs territory to benefit from future british trade deals. but eu customs processes will apply. the stormont assembly will give its consent to the arrangements continuing or not every bore or eight years. much of that is opposed by the government's northern irish partners, the dup. they have been in and out of downing street in recent days. but the eu had this reassurance from boris johnson.
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translation: ican translation: i can only imagine that giving that a prime minister told prime minister juncker that he was able to approve the deal that we had reached that he has faith in his ability to convince a majority of mps in the house of commons. people in the deal goes to parliament, though, it has to decide by them. eu leaders, at their summit this afternoon. a formality, yes. but a massive relief, too.|j this afternoon. a formality, yes. but a massive relief, too. ijust got the news, yes, that they found a deal and that is good. very encouraging news, of course, that there is an agreement. now they have to study the details. they secondly they have at the uk and i hope that this time there can be a majority in the house of commons. because that is the problem for the moment. my understanding is that the issue is now to get a majority in parliament andl now to get a majority in parliament and i do hope it shall be the case. yet is feels familiar to puzzles. a last—minute dealer could fail to get through parliament. but it is
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understood that borisjohnson were given a push by asking the eu to rule out any more delays to brexit. humans then and you to think it is less or no deal at all. thanks by much to add in there. let us take a look at some of the scenes in brussels as i mentioned, boris johnson is making his way to brussels. he is going to give a joint cement with michel barnier, who is the eu's chief negotiator. —— joint statement. we will give you lives are conscious. here are a beeline set outcome into us on the wires, particularly from the dup. just let me read you a little of it. the prime minister believes he has secured a great, new deal, the dup
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will be unable to support these proposals. they have worked since the referendum result to secure a negotiated deal, as well as leave the european union. we have been consistent that we will only ever considering supporting arrangements that are in northern ireland's long—term economic interest and protect the integrity of the union. asi protect the integrity of the union. as i mentioned, they are not budging, they are standing firm that they will protect the steel when it comes to saturday's special session in parliament. —— that they will reject this deal. nigel farage is also not happy with this deal. he was a leading voice within the uk, really pushing for britain to leave the european union. i got to catch up the european union. i got to catch up with him over the past hour and i asked him what is he make of this media? well, it isjust not brexit. we have taken three and a happier to get to this point. if this was to be agreed, we then have to enter into yea rs more
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agreed, we then have to enter into years more negotiations for the prize of a breach rate agreement, which we already know we will not get and as we surrender our territorial fishing waters and we will not get, unless we stay in regulatory alignment with the european union, that means we will not be making our own laws, in our own country on employment regulations, environment and many other things. so, frankly, regulations, environment and many otherthings. so, frankly, i regulations, environment and many other things. so, frankly, i think that we have probablyjust on the easy bit for the last three and a half years and then expert will be harder. it is a new eu treaty, it binds us injust harder. it is a new eu treaty, it binds us in just the harder. it is a new eu treaty, it binds us injust the many harder. it is a new eu treaty, it binds us in just the many other commitments on foreign policy, military policy and a list as long as your arm. look, military policy and a list as long as yourarm. look, ifrankly military policy and a list as long as your arm. look, ifrankly think it should be rejected. i think the best buy of this would be to simply have a clean break. by clean break, mr faraj, sorry for interrupting you, i understand and i want our viewers to understand by your coming
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from, you would be advocating instead of people advocating for this deal, that they rejected and that there is a new deal brexit and presently the eu on the 31st of october? i would very much like us to leave on the 31st october, but i understand that the benn act has been passed and that makes it impossible. with i rather accept new european treaty that is frankly very bad for us i would i prefer to have an extension and a general election? i would always go for the latter option. i genuinely believe that a clea n b rea k option. i genuinely believe that a clean break and being able to be competitive as the absolute key to our future competitive as the absolute key to ourfuture economic competitive as the absolute key to our future economic success. we cannot do that with due treaty. borisjohnson cannot do that with due treaty. boris johnson can say what cannot do that with due treaty. borisjohnson can say what he likes, but we will never be able to properly break free from the eu if we sign up to this. well, you know he would have a different take on it also. many financial productions
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without a doubt could be catastrophic for the uk and ireland and the netherlands in particular. if you are, i don't know if you would, if you were to give advice to borisjohnson to try to get dup on board, what would that be? he spoke at their conference last year. he said no conservative prime minister would ever put an internal border between northern ireland and the rest of the united kingdom and that is exactly what he has done. so, i think it is going to be very difficult to get the dup on board, given that effectively they have been hived off, on this annex out of the european union. there will be no frictionless trade between the united kingdom and northern ireland. but we know mr faraj, we have had a discussion about the backstop, which of course scuppered theresa may's del, now we have this alternative arrangements, if want multicoloured batch. if there were some other
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easier solution to avoid a hard border between the republic and northern ireland, surely somebody would have come up with it now? they talk about technological solutions are trusted traders that the technology already plans just are not there yet. they have not been tested anywhere in the world, so what would you recommend?” tested anywhere in the world, so what would you recommend? i think the european union put forward a problem to which they thought they would never accept any answer. you know, the funny thing is, if we leave on a wto brexit, everybody has set, including the taoiseach, and including michel barnier that that would not mean the establishment of a hard border. that would be rather simple we are now. that is nigel farage, the leader of the brexit party speaking to me a little bit earlier. obviously not happy with this deal. but he is not related person that borisjohnson it's about the most, it is really the ten members of the dup. they are not budging and they could scupper his
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plans. we have been saying just a couple of lines that have been coming into us. they are talking about this deal if it went ahead coming into force on perhaps mohammed bamber first. take coming into force on perhaps mohammed bamberfirst. take a look at the shots. this is where we will see the eu's chief negotiator, michel barnier. he will be meeting with prime minister borisjohnson, who will also give his statement. we will pay enacting new lives as we get it. he is expected to come very simple —— we will give that to you live. my next guest is mccully gavin. gavin, quite happy with us. thank forjoining gavin. gavin, quite happy with us. thank for joining us. gavin. gavin, quite happy with us. thank forjoining us. i will give you less of it at leo varadkar, the irish taoiseach are payments, he has
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said we have a brexit agreement that allows the uk to leave the eu in orderly way. we have a unique solution for northern ireland that is good for ireland and northern ireland. do you think there is a way around making is palatable to the dup? you know, this is the very reason that donald tusk said it is a gordian knot. it is almost impossible to untie. the music yesterday from the likes of steve baker and other brexiteers in the european research group suggested that they had faith in boris. if you look at a couple of key differences, one is character. theresa names and remain, borisjohnson one is character. theresa names and remain, boris johnson undelete one is character. theresa names and remain, borisjohnson undelete side. she got that his way and i think thatis she got that his way and i think that is why arnie foster's statement was pretty short. there was no, —— arlene foster. on the side of the
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water, the eu leaders are not stupid, they knew this was, thereby, and yet they are agreeing to it anyway. i was a price likely by how quickly it was done this many. we had that dup statement probably, i think it was about 6:45am, and then just a number of hours later, the eu and uk come at they have a deal. assisting at my negotiating time?|j assisting at my negotiating time?” spoke to a number of senior eu council official today and are said to things. one, this is nearly 60 hours of talks. 12 men and women, technical negotiators in the building just obstacles up it is going on until two o'clock in the morning for the past three days. i think if anybody was a bit today, not necessarily leaders, it will be about... those men and women in that room were public, job well done. if anybody has these negotiators, they are the ones to date. the other
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message in the eu is this, there will be no caveat today, no sense of big event comes up, but you have to get a deal in westminster on super saturday. this survey straight, we will let you speak, as they have translated the pages into 2a different eye which is to say ok, the floor is yours. but we are happy with it. that is what i expect. also coming to the times, yes, it is 60 pages and a lot shorter than the other withdrawal agreement which was 600, is that enough time for to comb through it and understand what is necessary to their country or they might be signing up to? if you as ministry days ago i had category conversations and they said it was impossible. —— if you had asked me three days ago. while we are reading this and waiting for a reaction every single diplomatic team are bidding exactly the same thing. time delegate this is what we will go. the main thing is that the mandate
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was given to michel barnier a to step demanded. i think we are expecting a pretty short deal after bossa spoken. we believe that they are getting ready to do such a thing. what do you think boris johnson has to achieve in this press conference? michael gove saying in the uka conference? michael gove saying in the uk a short while ago that when borisjohnson the uk a short while ago that when boris johnson speaks the the uk a short while ago that when borisjohnson speaks the day he will be asking for the eu to categorically say that they should not be an extension, so if boris asks for it, they will say no. that isa asks for it, they will say no. that is a herculean question, to say we are basically in cahoots on this. it'll be interesting to see what comes back on the other side of the water. it is a gamble, right? because boris johnson, some water. it is a gamble, right? because borisjohnson, some feel, some of the political analyst that i was reading, that he has tried to put the pressure on the dup and others that may be thinking abutting against, by saying there will be no extension, there will be no other deal. does that sort of political pressure work? he could as our
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assistant political editor said go up assistant political editor said go up inflames. assistant political editor said go up in flames. it strikes me as listening to david cameron short while ago when he asked the queen to intervene in the scottish referendum. if we look at it in this context, to reason a and john claude juncker, just before the ideal, did say this is it. i think he was in a sense going with the same stance on this one. number one it is a deal. no potatoes in extension. number three, the final they do not want to see it, is no deal. —— number two is an extension. img to speak to some very senior officials like to advice in your leader. i will hold you to come back and speak to us. i do not
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know if he that... you are watching to listening to this developing story which is with brexit, the steel that has come between the uk and the eu. and we are able to bring you more details of what has been a great and also what is to come. let us great and also what is to come. let us ita great and also what is to come. let us it a bit more american political correspondence. borisjohnson had boris johnson had barely borisjohnson had barely left boris johnson had barely left for brussels when questions began over how he will get it through the commons. i think everybody, as they look at this deal in the house of commons, and appreciate all the ways it has strengthened us in the united kingdom and ensured we will all benefit economically, i think people will have a chance to reflect. we will have a chance to reflect. we will be talking to people from all parties, including the dup, and i hope they will recognise this is the best way forward. it will be a challenge after the deal piece that its ten mps would be
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