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welcome back and welcome to outside source. theresa may will be meeting donald trump tomorrow, and she has already addressed his republican colleagues. we have the opportunity, indeed the responsibility, to renew the special relationship for this new age. a few hours before, on the same stage, the president addressed the same republican gathering after a diplomatic spat on twitter. he spoke about a meeting with the mexican president, that's off. unless mexico is going to treat the united states fairly, with respect, such a meeting would be fruitless, andl such a meeting would be fruitless, and i want to go a different route. he also touched on obamacare, which millions of americans rely on for health coverage. we will have a report from nick bryant on what might happen if it is scrapped. report from nick bryant on what might happen if it is scrappedli have might happen if it is scrapped.” have to have health in order to survive. if i don't have that health care, if he gets rid of it, i'm dead in the water. actually and we will
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be live at the state department, where the entire senior management tea m where the entire senior management team has resigned. barbara plett will explain that one for our struggle —— for us. how about this for a headline from the washington post — when it was put on nine, it was shared thousands of times every minute. the entire senior management tea m minute. the entire senior management team has resigned. barbara plett—usher can explain. what is the story? well, yes, senior members of the management team have resigned. actually, ros, it is not so unusual, whenever there is a change of administration, fulfilling these kinds of postings, which are
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appointed for term limits, have to offer their letter of resignation. it is not unusual, especially for senior people, to be kept on for a to smooth the transition in the state department. but in this case, all of these people were apparently told, we don't need you, and so they are leaving. it means that the incoming secretary of state will have quite a void at the top, and these are jobs that are needed to manage the state department building and the state department overseas, the foreign missions, complete experience receives, something that will have to be done fairly quickly. and the labour union that represents these four service officers said, yes, this is a regular rotation, but it isa yes, this is a regular rotation, but it is a large number of people leaving in a short period of time, and they have rare skills which you cannot really find outside of the foreign service. so they expect the secretary of state to be able to find other people within the state department to fill these positions, strongly suggesting that that is
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where he should look, rather than trying to bring somebody in from the outside. it is all about how this place is run and how effective it can be. we do not actually have the secretary of state yet, he has not been confirmed yet. the latest we have heard is that that process will start on the senate floor on monday evening. i want to ask you know about this increasingly tense relationship between mexico and the us. and what donald trump said earlier, here is some of it... the president of mexico and myself have agreed to cancel a planned meeting scheduled for next week. unless mexico is going to treat the united states fairly, with respect, such a meeting would be fruitless, and i wa nt meeting would be fruitless, and i want to go a different route. i have i'io want to go a different route. i have no choice. barbara, i guess there is an inevitability to this meeting being cancelled, given the rhetoric from both sides? yes. it is amazing,
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really. mr trump has barely finished his first week in office and already he is involved in this foreign policy spat with a key neighbour. and it was being played out on twitter. in the morning, mr trump tweeted, if mexico is not going to pay for the wall, then perhaps we should cancel the meeting. and the mexican president tweeted back, all right, i will not come — not those words exactly, but that was the effect. and then mr trump spoke about slapping a 20% tariff on mexican goods coming in to pay for the war. there is no sense of diplomacy here, which is really very strange. his framing it all in this big issue of economic fairness, saying it is unfair for the mexicans not to pay for the war, and going on to say, they're treating us unfairly with the north american free trade agreement, which is the thing which has the mexicans really worried, because their whole economy has been organised along the lines of that treaty, with 80% of their products
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coming here. it is really extraordinary to watch. are we seeing a parallel to what we saw during the political campaigns, where clearly mr trump thrives on opposition, whether it is creating opposition, whether it is creating opposition in the media, opposition to hillary clinton, whatever it might be, it seems he's taking a similar approach to diplomacy, that through opposition, he will achieve his goals? that may be the case. but it needs all the parties, including the other country, including his own diplomatic staff, including i expect congresspeople, wondering what the game plan is and where this will lead. it's really quite uncharted territory. one more story to ask you about, and we spoke about this last night, donald trump has hinted that he would support the idea of safe zones for civilians who are being displaced in syria. it is a huge
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suggestion, because it would involve the syrian government agreeing to it, and secondly, you would have to put troops on the ground to protect those safe owns, and whose troops with baby? the kremlin spokesperson has responded to say... barbra, to get this off the ground would take a huge amount of diplomatic work, wouldn't it? would take a huge amount of diplomatic work, wouldn't mm would be of huge project, yes. let's just say that the outset, that safe zone is mentioned in a draft executive order that's been circulating, it has not yet been signed. but the draft is out there. it is related to an order that syrian refugee admissions should stop. the americans would stop accepting syrian refugees for an indefinite time, and instead they would try to set up a safe some in
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the region, says the draft, for those people to stay instead. but there is nothing about what it would look like. but we know as you said, that any plan would have to involve some kind of military commitment, especially if it was set up against the wishes of the syrian government. it is really an unknown. the qataris have already said, yes, it is a good idea. also we will have a no—fly zone to enforce it. that is not something that has been mentioned. the turks have been the strongest proponents of a safe zone, and they have said, we would like to see what they come up with in detail. the russians in the past have specifically warned the us not to ta ke specifically warned the us not to take on the syrian government militarily and have said that if the syrian government is targeted, that the russians will use their own air defence weapons against them. there is all of this in the background,
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and mrtrump hasjust is all of this in the background, and mr trump hasjust thrown is all of this in the background, and mr trump has just thrown this suggestion into the midst of it all. i guess we will be speaking to you around this time on outside source a lot. as we are waiting for rex tillerson to come in and to get his tea m tillerson to come in and to get his team in place below him. theresa may, should this be seen, what she said, asa may, should this be seen, what she said, as a conflict with trump's ideals, says one viewer. i think it is fairto ideals, says one viewer. i think it is fair to say that she wants a strong nation state for the uk that but that it must be internationalist in its view of the world. we cannot really speak for what donald trump wa nts, really speak for what donald trump wants, in terms of how america will be positioned. forget what he said today was that he did want to deal with the rest of the world, he wants to cut of bilateral trade deals, but it was always be from the position of putting america's interests
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first. if you can do that and be an internationalist, we will have to see if he manages to pull that off. next, the issue of health policy. donald trump today launched another stinging attack on obama. obamacare isa stinging attack on obama. obamacare is a disaster. the democrats are saying, they're putting up signs like it's wonderful. it's a disaster. i actually talked with paul and the group aboutjust doing nothing for two years, and then we would have them coming begging to do something. because 2017 is going to be catastrophic price increases, your deductibles are through the rich, you can't use it. who can't use it. and they would come to us, except we have one problem is that we have to take care of the american people immediately. it looks like obamacare will be scrapped by congress, possibly as soon as march oi’ congress, possibly as soon as march or april. but no—one is that clear
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on what is going to replace it, and that's causing concern. here is nick brya nt that's causing concern. here is nick bryant with his report from new york. in new york city, it is estimated that one in five of the city's population could lose their health care, if it is repealed. among them, donna leslie. she does not know what she would do if she lost her obamaca re not know what she would do if she lost her obamacare coverage. not know what she would do if she lost her obamacare coveragem would be a disasterfor me. i have to have health care in order to survive. if i don't have that health care, if he gets rid of it, i'm dead in the water, no doubt. no doubt. it's not just in the water, no doubt. no doubt. it's notjust adults that could lose their coverage, but as many as 4 million children. and doctors are also worried about the impact of existing treatments being interrupted. we're talking about millions of people... this doctor
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says the human consequences across america of repealing obamacare would be dire. we are talking about people dying, people suffering as well. a patient with high blood pressure who goes without their medicine for a few months is at higher risk of a stroke a heart attack. and a patient with cancer who has started treatment, an interruption in care would mean that they're no longer able to get the chemotherapy or the radiation therapy or the surgery that they might need. so from that aspect of, i'm very worried about the real consequences of what's playing out on a national level. -- from that perspective. the problem for the trump administration and republicans on capitol hill is, what do you replace obamacare with? within hours of taking office, with
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a flourish of his presidential pen, donald trump started rolling back his predecessor's signature achievement. without a clear administration plan yet on the table of what to replace it with. but on capitol hill, republicans claim they can draftan capitol hill, republicans claim they can draft an alternative that gives more can draft an alternative that gives m ore a ccess can draft an alternative that gives more access to more affordable coverage. i don't even like the use of the word replace. i would like to think that we are just repealing the bad that is out there now and fixing what's left over and putting new ideas in place, putting some market—driven ideas in place, and putting patients first. for decades, health care has been a polarising issue between progressives and conservatives. many in the republican ace have been campaigning for yea rs republican ace have been campaigning for years for the end of obamacare. but its abolition carries political risks, especially with poor, working—class americans, who helped donald trump reach washington. i have been asking for your questions. lots of you have been getting in
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touch with what i would call regular questions about the trump administration. one of you saying, will theresa may and donald trump dance at any point tomorrow? i have no idea. another one says, is your tie from somerset cricket club? no, it's not but thanks for asking. and the message from peter stringfellow, a very well—known nightclub owner in london. he says, ros, please stop pretending that you're controlling this screen, it's really embarrassing. i prod, this is not me pretending. if i press that button, this comes up. if i press this, the map comes up. and if i pressed the wrong button, i promise you, the wrong button, i promise you, the wrong thing will happen. honestly, it's real. and if i get it wrong it doesn't work. thank you very much for those questions should we will get to slightly more pressing questions about the trump presidency. anthony will be explaining that in a while.
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particularly, we will focus on mr trump's complex relationship with the cable news networks in the us. there has been a rise in suicides, assaults and self harm inside prisons in england and wales. a number of those taking their own lives is the highest since records began in 1978. shouting. life in ourjails is getting worse. for staff and prisoners. the rise in assaults, suicides and self harming is relentless. the sense of crisis in the system was underlined by a riot in birmingham prison, where inmates posed in helmets stolen from staff. just one of a string ofjail disturbances in recent months. amid the volatile atmosphere, today's figures show that in the past year, a record number of prisoners have taken their own lives.
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it's very hard when you've got members of your family who... sarah is a long—serving prison officer whose identity we are protecting. she describes having to deal with a teenage suicide. he was only 19. i came on duty, and i went to perform a roll check. i lifted the flap, and this young man was suspended in his cell. he'd hung himself overnight. and i saw it was his birthday, and i thought, what a waste. that will stay with me. just describe the thoughts in your head as you're going into work. i go in to work feeling anxious. tensions are high. prisoners are angry and frustrated. when you open a door, you don't know what you're going to be faced with. prisons are awash with drugs and psychoactive substances that are meant to be banned. all adding to the underlying problems of staff shortages and overcrowding. vulnerable prisoners are suffering in the increasingly threatening environment in some jails. i am very clear that the levels of violence in our prisons are too
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high, and the levels of self—harm are too high. since i becamejustice secretary, i've focused on dealing with this problem. that's why we are investing an extra £100 million. 2,500 extra prison officers across the estate, so that we are able to have a caseload of one prison officer for every six prisoners. but sarah says the challenge is not recruiting staff, it's retaining them. and on top of that, you've got the fear. am i going to make it home tonight? i've never been in fear of my life until now, and we just don't get paid enough to have that fear everyday. welcome back to outside source. our lead story is that theresa may has urged america to engage with, and
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beware of, russia. the comments came ina beware of, russia. the comments came in a speech to senior republicans in philadelphia. she will meet resident trump tomorrow. coming up after outside source, its world news america next, if you're watching outside the uk, with a report from a survivor of auschwitz. here in the uk, the news at ten is next. i'm going to bring in anthony in a moment. but first of all, a couple of tweets which people have been highlighting. this is one where mr trump says, ungrateful traitor chelsea manning... and this is another one... these are important issues in their
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own right, but the reason i have highlighted those two tweets is the language and the statistics used in them. exactly matching those used in stories which ran on fox news units before the president tweeted. we cannot know if that is just a coincidence. we do know that the president watches a lot of network tv news. his relationship with these networks really matters. anthony joins me now to talk about this. would we expect that to be the case, that the trump was taking some information, some policy needs, from a network? i think it certainly looks that way. and these are not the only examples, either. a few months ago, fox news ran a story about flag burning, and then minutes later, donald trump early in the morning tweeted out a condemnation of flag burning and called for a constitutional amendment. so, his watching it, and it's influencing the way he views the world and views us politics and views policy. it is
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pretty remarkable that a morning tv programme could adjust the views of the leader of the free world. it used to be that the new york times would be what everyone talks about in this town. but now it seems like donald trump is taking his advice, his insight, a different source. and he seems to be particularly focused not just he seems to be particularly focused notjust on he seems to be particularly focused not just on fox he seems to be particularly focused notjust on fox but on cnn and the others, more so than perhaps other media outlets — is that because of the power of the networks?” media outlets — is that because of the power of the networks? i think that has a lot to do with it. you noted cnn, and he talks about cnn almost as much as he mentions reports from fox. cnn is the will in his mind, and he's constantly trashing them, saying that they have low ratings, but they're fake news. ‘s picked a fight with a cnn news reporterjoined ‘s picked a fight with a cnn news reporter joined that ‘s picked a fight with a cnn news reporterjoined that first news conference, before he was sworn in. those are obviously two of the more prominent cable networks in the us.
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and donald trump obviously spends a lot of time watching them and cares a lot about what they say. let's pick up this theme to more. before i came into the set, i was down in the newsroom , came into the set, i was down in the newsroom, and i saw that the new york times had an interview with stephen pennant, the chief white house strategist, who used to be in charge of a right—wing news website. he gave a very strong quote on the media. he said the media should be embarrassed and humiliated and keep its mouth shut and just listen for a while. he said, i want you to quote me on this, the media here is the opposition party, they do not understand this country, they still do not understand why donald trump is the president of the united states. what did you make of that, anthony? well, it's pretty strong language. apparently the interview he gave to the new york times came on the heels of sean spicer‘s very aggressive press conference on saturday near the he bashed the media and said that they were misrepresenting the crowds at the inauguration. and steve bannon is
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someone inauguration. and steve bannon is someone who donald trump listens to, a very close adviser. along with stephen miller, he calls them the two steves, both of them firebrands with an anti—establishment view of politics. in his inaugural address, he bashed the establishment, bashed washington, said he was giving power back to the people, alec is rhetoric. and they might have been involved in that speech. you think the media in the us now see themselves as the opposition?” think they feel that they have a responsibility to challenge donald trump at every turn. i think that they took to heart some of the accusations that they did not take a donald trump seriously early enough in the presidential campaign. i think use or later in the campaign, particularly in that press conference which ended up not being a press conference, at the donald trump h, where he refuse to answer
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media questions and dismissed the allegations that he was responsible for questioning barack obama's birth certificate, i think from then on, the media took a much more adversarial view towards donald trump, and that has carried over into the transition and into his presidency. i don't think they would like being characterised as the opposition party, but i think they feel they have a responsibility to challenge him and question him when he says something that the facts are not bear out. just a couple of questions here, firstly from alex, watching in manchester — do we know mr trump's thoughts on the european feeling towards his presidency? be pool c trump as a radical, they disapprove of his attitude towards the press, they see him as dangerous. that is not representative of all attitudes in europe, but i do not see mr trump as someone europe, but i do not see mr trump as
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someone he does pay attention. he ca res a lot someone he does pay attention. he cares a lot about what people think of him. when he was over in the uk right after the brexit folk, took that as a sign for a possible victory for him. so he was obviously paying attention to the brexit folk. i think he sees ideological soul mates in some of the nationalist movements in the uk and in continental. so i would not be supposed if he is at least somewhat aware of it. obviously, he has a close relationship with nigel farage, so there will be some information traded there. but as far as the average person on the street thinks in europe, i don't think he ca res thinks in europe, i don't think he cares that much. thank you, anthony. just very quickly, the timings of tomorrow's events, please? we don't know a whole lot about what he will be doing tomorrow. there is talk of executive orders on visas, which we
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thought were going to come today. on immigration as well. so i would not be surprised if we saw something about that tomorrow. thank you very much indeed. just to tick up on that message i got 15 minutes ago from peter stringfellow, well—known nightclub owner here in london, about my screen. i replied to him, offering for him to come in and try it, and lots of you have been saying they would rather have a visit to his place than mine, which i'm frankly offended by! but thank you very much for all your messages! we'll take a breather now. we will be back at the same time on monday. thanks for your company. if you were watching this time yesterday, i was explaining about,
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blocked weather pattern, the high pressure which has been set across europe, with its dense, cold air, relu cta nt to europe, with its dense, cold air, reluctant to move away to allow the normal succession of low pressures to move in off the atlantic. well, it looks now as if things are going to change. on thursday we have had the same sort of weather, real contrasts depending on if you had the cloud or not. this is how it looked in norfolk, with that great cloud. it was bitterly cold as well with the wind factor. but this was the view at st andrews in scotland. many parts of scotland and wales enjoyed the sunshine and some parts of the south as well. quite widespread frost, heading into friday morning. reels and have the
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potential for either a little bit of rain falling on the frozen surfaces first thing tories tensioning some snow for some time. —— first thing, or potentially some snow. the changes being brought about very slowly, but we have the cold continental air, slightly less of that on friday, and finally, by saturday, we are starting to pull in the atlantic south—westerly. potentially very dicey on saturday morning. it could be falling as snow over the hills, but it's gradually warming up recorders is the fly in the ointment for the weekend, this mass of rain behind me. exactly where it can go, it is giving us a headache at the moment. sunday night
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into monday, we start to see the low pressures getting progressively further northwards, and feeling much of the north atlantic, as you can see. it is getting better and windier. by the time we get to monday, temperatures up to double figures in most parts of england and wales, and not far off for scotland. that area of low pressure dominates most of the north atlantic chisnall fairly tightly packed isobars as well, meaning they could be gales even well, meaning they could be gales eve n severe well, meaning they could be gales even severe gales, at times. so we have had this booking system for most of january so far. the have had this booking system for most ofjanuary so far. the upper winds, the jet stream, most ofjanuary so far. the upper winds, thejet stream, is now starting to strengthen to allow more mobility, more weather systems to come across the uk. the high pressure is still with us over continental europe, but the low
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pressure is being allowed to make inroads into the north and west. there is a much lower ability that potentially, at the end of the week, we could have the cold air coming into the south—east again. but at the moment the computer is thinking that we will keep with the south—westerly mobile weather picture. theresa may touches down in the united states — to talk trade with trump. before their meeting — the president's first with a foreign leader — mrs may addresses a republican conference. she signals a change in uk foreign policy — with clear echoes of that of mr trump. the days of britain and america intervening in sovereign countries in an attempt to remake the world in our own image are over. stepping down for the first time from air force one, president trump looks ahead to his meeting with mrs may. i am meeting with her tomorrow, i don't have my secretary there,
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they want to talk trade, so i will have to handle it myself. but mr trump's comments approving of torture may prove something of a stumbling block among the diplomatic niceties. also tonight. no post—brexit slowdown, as the uk economy grows faster than expected.
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